The Official SAW V thread

[CelticPredator]

Ignore them. Discuss why.

I personally think the entire thing has gone on for way to long. First was great, second was silly, 3rd was just the worst peice of crap i've ever seen, and the 4th was quite decent. When they back away from the gore crap, the film feels better. I have no intrest in the 5th, or 6th. I'll download the 6th just to finish the story, but yeah. It just seems like by now they're making up crap. It never to me felt like a series that was well thought, and planned out.

They should've done 3, and called it a day. But then again, i'm no money grubbing executive.

 

[Adrian89]

So...he cannot have an opinion about a movie...on a movie site? Get off your rocker. This is a DISCUSSION thread....we all discuss the film...GOOD OR BAD.

Silly willy Saw fans.

AMEN!

Thanks for the understanding.

We all have an opinion. But certain posters come here to spew off their words of "this series suck" and have nothing else to offer. Nothing intelligent to say, nothing thought provoking, just the usual drive by from the newbie who won't back up his words..

lol at you my friend. First of all, I asked what exactly do you guys like about these Saw Movies. Secondly, I did explained that this concept has become stupid and OVERRATED (in my oppinion, of course!!). For 5 movies, haven't you get tired of the same thing? Anyway, in my oppinion this Franchise never deserved more than 1 or 2 parts.

Like CelticPredator told you and if you still don't understand, have a look at the Poll, after all there are options for 1, 2, 3 and such bad ratings also.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

lol at you my friend. First of all, I asked what exactly do you guys like about these Saw Movies. Secondly, I did explained that this concept has become stupid and OVERRATED (in my oppinion, of course!!).

Ok, let's make a deal - I'll tell you and CelticPredator why I like the Saw series so much after you give me concrete reasons why you think the concept is stupid and overrated.
As LastSunrise said - back up your words. Then we’ll have an actual discussion.
For now you're not giving any explanations to your opinion. You're just making statements. That’s why my friend here is so ticked off. Try to understand our position - if somebody said that The Dark Knight or any other movie you really like sucks, wouldn’t you want to know why they think so?
'Stupid' and 'overrated' sure don't sound like explanations to me.

 

[nocomics]

Ignore them. Discuss why.

I personally think the entire thing has gone on for way to long. First was great, second was silly, 3rd was just the worst peice of crap i've ever seen, and the 4th was quite decent. When they back away from the gore crap, the film feels better. I have no intrest in the 5th, or 6th. I'll download the 6th just to finish the story, but yeah. It just seems like by now they're making up crap. It never to me felt like a series that was well thought, and planned out.

They should've done 3, and called it a day. But then again, i'm no money grubbing executive.

I do agree I think series has gone way too long,but for the price they make them and the profits they make why not make more....
I do think the story and back stories have gotten stale and redundant imo. I also agree the films feel better with the less gore content and concentrate more on suspence/fear.
I'll give them credit they have done a good not great job of making the stories fluent and make sence. Again some of it felt pressed and just thrown in(saw V) to take up time in the movie...
Saw was great not much else to say.
Saw II was an actuall disappointment to me I guess I had too much expectation for it(I'd figure in a house they had more ways to do traps,but /shrug and story was kindof weak besides the twist ending).
Saw III was better though I was sorely disappointed on how they used Amanda and she looked so weak and too unstable.
Saw IV was a solid movie had no major complaints.
Saw V, felt pressed and slow for some reason.It was'nt bad,but the traps just felt put in just for the sake of having traps. I believe they could of not had any traps that did'nt pertain to main story and it still could of been good. This is one movie they could of actually done a normal detective story and been just as good or better.
Saw VI; will wait 'n see I just hope they finish the series on a high note,and for god sakes finish the Dr. Gordon story arc and make ppl happy

 

[CelticPredator]

Ok, let's make a deal - I'll tell you and CelticPredator why I like the Saw series so much after you give me concrete reasons why you think the concept is stupid and overrated.
As LastSunrise said - back up your words. Then we’ll have an actual discussion.
For now you're not giving any explanations to your opinion. You're just making statements. That’s why my friend here is so ticked off. Try to understand our position - if somebody said that The Dark Knight or any other movie you really like sucks, wouldn’t you want to know why they think so?
'Stupid' and 'overrated' sure don't sound like explanations to me.

I already told you why.

 

[byte19]

well after countless jasons and freddys and michaels it's good to have a killer who doesn't kill and is multiple individuals

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

I already told you why.

Good.
But I was talking to T-101, and obviously you can't answer for him.


Unless of course...you two are the same person...?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't think T-101 and CelticPred are the same person.

But I'll gladly explain why I enjoy the SAW films.

The SAW films in my opinion have an intelligence to them that horror films today don't have. The remakes and the original horror films that are released now are more about scare tactics, bad acting, laughable writing, and an ending that you can see coming before the film itself ends. Now am I saying that the SAW films are the best in the world? No. Far from it. But they're definitely a film that focuses on the human condition and how they're in your face with the concept.

You can actually relate to Jigsaw. Yeah, he has a sick way of thinking, but at the end you can relate to him and he's sympathetic. You look at his methods and you see the people he targets like rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and we often say how much they deserve to be feel the pain they bring to others.

The films force you to think and even if you feel your theory is correct you most likely will be proven wrong. Plus the films have great characters. Some of my favorite characters come from the SAW films. Characters like Eric Matthews, Dr. Gordon, Agent Strahm, Jigsaw, and Hoffman are very interesting complex characters. However, my favorite character will always be Agent Strahm.

So for me it's the fact that they're thought provoking, interesting, and provide shocking endings that leave you wanting more.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I also enjoyed SAW V due to the fact that it was a return to the format of the first film. It relied more on story and character development rather than the visceral gore.

 

[CelticPredator]

If I did Saw, I would totally take away the traps, unless they are vital to the story. That stupid pendulim (sp?) was pointless. And yes, I watched the first 13 minutes, but then I got bored....but still.

 

[Eelectro 2]

i enjoyed saw 5, even though it has left me with the 'worst' feeling when it ended from the series so far. and by 'worst' feeling, i was disappointed that there was no game over, and that so many things were purposely left open. as long a 6 brings EVERYTHING full circle than i will be happy. with part 4 i enjoyed it very much because if that was the last one it has an eerie sense about the way it ended and i could live with it if there was never another one. where as with 5, its like the first half of the last movie, not much on its own. i'm sure i will enjoy it more when i see it again on dvd, hopefully with much more added into it (stil have my fingers crossed for that 14 minutes- its believable after comparing the running times on the theatre version of saw 3 and the directors cut being almost 20 minutes different).

 

[Spider-Fan]

While I give them props for making a story more coherent than Saw IV, I must say this movie was still not good IMO. I'd rank it as the second worst. This movie was far too easy to predict. I had all the twists figured out long before the reveals. The one actors whom played the junkie rich kid was VERY annoying. I found the reason the cop was chosen as the new Jigsaw to be a little lame, and that they could have done more with it. I'd say this movie was better than Saw IV because the story didn't rely on EXTREME chance like Saw IV did, but I still feel this movie left a lot to be desired. I know the profit margins on these movies are rediculous, but I think either another year needs to be dedicated for Saw VI, or they should just stop from a quality standpoint. I quite enjoyed Saw III, but the last two have been meh to me.

I give this a 3.5/10. Sorry to the people who love this movie, but I just wasn't feeling it.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

I'd say this movie was better than Saw IV because the story didn't rely on EXTREME chance like Saw IV did, but I still feel this movie left a lot to be desired.

Hmm, I rather think, if anything, Saw IV added new material to the story, without really retconing anything from the previous three films. You know, it gave us something we were never told before - an actual back-story to Jigsaw, without relying on previous events.
While Saw V was the one that changed things, by using the old "oh, here's what else was going on in those scenes!" trick too much.

 

[Eelectro 2]

anybody have any insight on the collectors edition of saw v? i'm trying to figure out which version to buy (unrated dc or collectors edition dc) but both seem to be exactly the same in the way of content and features but theres a $6 difference with nothing but a hokey talking box. does the collectors edition's dvd cover (not the spinning blade cover) inside have a different picture?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hmm, I rather think, if anything, Saw IV added new material to the story, without really retconing anything from the previous three films. You know, it gave us something we were never told before - an actual back-story to Jigsaw, without relying on previous events.
While Saw V was the one that changed things, by using the old "oh, here's what else was going on in those scenes!" trick too much.

But Saw IV I felt had a poor end to the story with the guy and his missing daughter at the end of Saw III, and I think things had to work in way to certain a manner for it to end the way that it did, and I feel it gave Jigsaw's capacity to predict behavior far too much credit. I found it to be a bit over-the-top in that way. Even if V changed some stuff, IV was just so unrealistic in its game, hence why I felt V was slightly better (though like I said, that's not saying much).

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

But Saw IV I felt had a poor end to the story with the guy and his missing daughter at the end of Saw III,

'Poor' in what sense?
I could describe some of the deaths (or death revelations) in Saw V as ‘poor’ too.

and I think things had to work in way to certain a manner for it to end the way that it did, and I feel it gave Jigsaw's capacity to predict behavior far too much credit. I found it to be a bit over-the-top in that way. Even if V changed some stuff, IV was just so unrealistic in its game, hence why I felt V was slightly better (though like I said, that's not saying much).

As if the secret passage in Jigsaw's death room containing a tape specifically addressed to Strahm wasn't a stretch either.
In fact nothing springs to mind what Jigsaw would've specifically had to have prediction superpowers for other than Strahm's character in both movies - IV and V. Maybe you have some examples you want to address?
I know it's hard to believe but once you delve into psychology, chess, the stalk market and military strategy, it doesn't sound any less plausible.
However, that wasn't your initial point.

 

[black_dust]

Saw (the first one) was great, dam good twist at the end and an original concept for a story

Every saw film since then has gotten worse and worse

Saw V sucked major balls, the plot was slow, the traps were weak, the the twist was just a let down. No thought is put into these movies now and its just watered down crap, they really should stop making them.

2/10

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Ah, the SAW haters are out of the woodwork again? I just bought the DVD and let me say that this film in my opinion is one of the strongest. One of reasons I like it(from my point of view) is that it's a return to the format of the first film.

The traps were simple and effective, the story was strong, the character development of Strahm and Hoffman was strong and they fed off each other real well.

The unrated DVD directors cut is a lot better and it ties up a lot of the loose ends in the theatrical version. It's slightly extended with some new scenes added in and some new flashback sequences. I truly believe that the sixth will be the final film and that it'll bring it all full circle. As for the twist? The twist wasn't lame. I don't care what anyone says they didn't see the finality of everything coming.

I definitely didn't think

Spoiler

Strahm was going to get crushed by the walls. Although it was interesting to see how Hoffman was setting him up and I didn't fully realize it until Erickson called Strahm.

 

[The Chris]

Ah, the SAW haters are out of the woodwork again? I just bought the DVD and let me say that this film in my opinion is one of the strongest. One of reasons I like it(from my point of view) is that it's a return to the format of the first film.

The traps were simple and effective, the story was strong, the character development of Strahm and Hoffman was strong and they fed off each other real well.

The unrated DVD directors cut is a lot better and it ties up a lot of the loose ends in the theatrical version. It's slightly extended with some new scenes added in and some new flashback sequences. I truly believe that the sixth will be the final film and that it'll bring it all full circle. As for the twist? The twist wasn't lame. I don't care what anyone says they didn't see the finality of everything coming.

I definitely didn't think

Spoiler

Strahm was going to get crushed by the walls. Although it was interesting to see how Hoffman was setting him up and I didn't fully realize it until Erickson called Strahm.

Agreed. V is my third favorite, after III and I.

 

[nocomics]

Watched this on dvd today and found it more enjoyable at home than did in the theatres.
I just wished it had more xtras on the dvd like behind the scenes etc..but o,well..
I'm ready for Saw VI now and hope they end this series the right way.

 

[Nirvana]

I just bought this.

 

[Slushy]

1.) SAW II - More characters, the best main character, better traps, and multiple twists!

2.) SAW V - Better developed characters, a good protagonist, and an unbelievable ending!

3.) SAW I - Simplistic film with a classic ending!

4.) SAW III - The worst protagonist and some of the traps were way too gory.

5.) SAW IV - Better hero, but I hated that the whole movie

Spoiler

was all one big flashback.

 

[The Dark Defender]

anybody have any insight on the collectors edition of saw v? i'm trying to figure out which version to buy (unrated dc or collectors edition dc) but both seem to be exactly the same in the way of content and features but theres a $6 difference with nothing but a hokey talking box. does the collectors edition's dvd cover (not the spinning blade cover) inside have a different picture?

It's basically $10 extra for a talking case...the case has a saw in it that talks in Jigsaw's voice when you push a button, other than that, it's precisely the same, same features...the unrated version even has a cooler cover.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Spoiler

For those who seen the film and actually want to debate it intelligently without the haters ruining it. Did any of you happen to catch the blood trail when Strahm walked through the hallway? As you know he was in the house from SAW 1 and 2.

The blood trail seemed to lead to a shut door(presumably to the bathroom?) I find it hard to believe that the blood was Detective Matthews. I don't think a broken foot would generate that much blood loss.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

One last question/theory.

Spoiler

Is it possible for the walls to completely crush Strahm? He was wearing his clothes and wouldn't it be difficult for Hoffman to get rid of the evidence? We know Strahm had his arm on the ceiling so it's safe to say his arm is severed. But seriously, unless Hoffman washes the walls with a pair of hoses or the walls switch over like a secret book case, wouldn't it be impossible for Hoffman to hide that?