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I watched it again and yes that scene still shocks me. I had to edit your post because some people haven't seen the film and don't want to be spoiled.
When he was going through his pockets I was wondering what he could do to get himself out of the trap. Then when he jammed the pen into his neck that was the ultimate "HOLY ****!" moment. What did you think about Strahm dying? I was kind of bummed out.
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In all honesty the twist is one of those scenes that you have to see for yourself. You either like it or you hate it. From my perspective? I happened to like the twist because I definitely didn't see it coming and it just had a sense of cruel irony to it.
I say Megan Good's character lived for about 10-15 mintues maybe? She was the third one to die.
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I have to agree with LastSunrise, you kind of have to see it for yourself, cause it's just one of those scenes that just eats at you, and you wonder what the hell will happen next.
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As Lisa Simpson would say "meh" or as one person in the audience whispered "stupid" once the credits started rolling I sort of feel the same way after watching Saw 5.
It's not that it was disappointing it's that I felt the film instead of progressing the story further along was trapped in countless flashbacks and the so called "shocking ending" that TV promos were calling it didn't really do it for me.
Still it was fairly entertaining although Jigsaw's traps (or Hoffman's) weren't exactly that scary like previous traps and the infamous glass box trap that was hinted in Saw 4 and was promised to be used in Saw 5 was a letdown.
But since we all know that a Saw 6 is coming next year hopefully it's not the last one since I feel the Saw series is the most original of all horror movies and we get to see all the plotlines resolved such as the box that Jigsaw left for his wife.
THE GOOD:
nice use of flashbacks even if they dragged a bit and seeing Julie Benz as a brunette and in high heels.
THE BAD:
not enough of Julie Benz
my rating is 4 out of 5 stars.
It's not that it was disappointing it's that I felt the film instead of progressing the story further along was trapped in countless flashbacks and the so called "shocking ending" that TV promos were calling it didn't really do it for me.
Still it was fairly entertaining although Jigsaw's traps (or Hoffman's) weren't exactly that scary like previous traps and the infamous glass box trap that was hinted in Saw 4 and was promised to be used in Saw 5 was a letdown.
But since we all know that a Saw 6 is coming next year hopefully it's not the last one since I feel the Saw series is the most original of all horror movies and we get to see all the plotlines resolved such as the box that Jigsaw left for his wife.
THE GOOD:
nice use of flashbacks even if they dragged a bit and seeing Julie Benz as a brunette and in high heels.
THE BAD:
not enough of Julie Benz
my rating is 4 out of 5 stars.
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Strahm dying bummed me out as well. But I loved it when he was beating the crap out of Hoffman. All I was thinking was "Yes! Kill the bastard! Kill the bastard!
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Thanks dude
, one more question i have. Please answer it.[BLACKOUT]Is jigsaw alive at the end?[/BLACKOUT]
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Thanks dude
[BLACKOUT]Is jigsaw alive at the end?[/BLACKOUT]
Nope. He's as dead as a doornail.
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Boo.
HAHA! There is no way he can come back.
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Here's my review of SAW V.
SAW V
Starring: Tobin Bell, Costas Mandylor, Scott Patterson, Betsy Russell, and Julie Benz
Release Date: October 24th, 2008
Directed by: David Hackl
Another Saw film has arrived for the usual October/Halloween time film release. I don't think anyone ever thought this franchise would branch into five films and into an upcoming sixth film, but what's to be said with it? These films are very, very cheap to make and they make their budget back mainly on opening night and the weekend.
The first Saw film turned out to be a sleeper hit that no one expected to do well, in fact, it gained popularity when word got around that the ending is one of the best in cinema history. It's modest budget allowed it to make its money back and release a second sequel, a third sequel, a fourth sequel, and of course this fifth sequel that will ultimately lead it to a sixth and final film. Let it be known that I do agree with people who say it should've stopped at three. As much as I love these films, I have to say that three would've been the perfect time to stop and let it rest before starting again. But with that said, I can honestly say that this one, in my opinion, is one of the stronger movies in the franchise and I rank it up there with the first film.
When you see the first one you don't see much gore or violence, but when the gore happens it's ultimately in your face and doesn't relent whatsoever. The sequels capitalized on that notion and while the stories remained strong, the gore and the violence became more frequent and the traps were all over the place pretty much. In this one it's more of a return to what made the first film so good and unique, relying more on characters, the story, and the concepts rather than trying to display the most creative ways to kill a person.
Saw V starts off immediately where the fourth film left off and dives more into the psychology of Jigsaw and Hoffman. This is definitely the story of Hoffman and why he became Jigsaw's follower. I happened to like where the story took place, where it went, and how it tied everything together. However there were and are certain aspects I really didn't like about it, but I also understand that it made sense for the story and was more realistic in general. I was more of a fan of the mystery of Jigsaw and I liked the idea of leaving how he got the victims to your imagination. Some things are best left unsaid obviously, yet it still didn't hurt the film at all.
The acting is a bit eh at times. The best performances are Tobin Bell, Scott Patterson, and Costas Mandylor. They make you believe their characters and by the time it's over you really, really hate Hoffman because he's a sneaky individual.
The twist ending? Some friends of mine didn't like the ending and I know a lot of other people didn't. To be honest the ending is one of those elements you have to see for yourself. Either you hate it, like it, or love it. There's no other way I can really break it down to you except see it for yourself. Since this is my review and it's my opinion, I'll tell you what I thought of the ending. The ending isn't as great or as shocking as the first film, but then again, what twist will be able to top that one? Twists like that only happen once and it's very rare that it can be duplicated. Saw has managed to have twist endings that surprise you time and time again. But none of them are as shocking or as unique as the first film and it's not a bad thing. Sometimes it's in a filmmakers or writers best interest not to try and top greatness. I liked the ending and it made sense for the direction that the sixth film will take. As I said, it definitely makes you hate Hoffman by the time it's over and Costas Mandylor really captured the arrogance of the character.
The traps aren't the main focus of the film as they were in the past sequels. There's five traps or six if you count the last one, though the only one that is REALLY gorey is the first trap and the box of spinning razors. But as I said before this film is more focused on the characters, the story, and the past more so than the gore and the violence.
One of the things I did love about it is how they took you back and showed you moments from the first Saw. I think those who hated the movie will agree that it was nice to go back and see it from the beginning again.
Tobin Bell gives another strong performance as Jigsaw and you understand him more after he has his first confrontation with Hoffman and takes him under his wing. He has a warped sense of justice, however, you understand where he's coming from with his thinking. But of course Tobin is always going to give a great performance since this is HIS character and he's become something of a horror icon himself.
Scott Patterson reprises his role as Agent Peter Strahm and he's even better in this one. He's definitely a strong character who I feel is the ultimate badass honestly. When you see what he does to himself to get out of the box trap it made me cringe and wince it was just unexpected.
A lot of past stories and character arcs are closed in this film as well. You see closure on characters who haven't been seen since the first film like Danny Glover's character, you find out other characters from the fourth film didn't make it, and while there is a certain character who hasn't been seen at all since the first film it makes you wonder when will they bring him in. I will say that in order to understand this one you have to watch all of them because you will be lost if you don't.
Overall I really, really liked the film. I just hope that the sixth will be the last one and they can put it to rest because there's no other way you can continue the story after the sixth film. It should be the end once for all when October of 2009 rolls around. If they extend this to a seventh, eighth, ninth, or a tenth film then it will be one of the worst things they can do because Saw isn't Michael, Jason, Freddy, or Hellraiser.
In the end I liked it and I recommend it. But as I said, it's basically your decision and you have to decide whether or not you like the story and the ending. You have to see it for yourself and while I'm not some almighty movie critic, I can honestly say that I think this one should be ranked up there with the first Saw.
SAW V
Starring: Tobin Bell, Costas Mandylor, Scott Patterson, Betsy Russell, and Julie Benz
Release Date: October 24th, 2008
Directed by: David Hackl
Another Saw film has arrived for the usual October/Halloween time film release. I don't think anyone ever thought this franchise would branch into five films and into an upcoming sixth film, but what's to be said with it? These films are very, very cheap to make and they make their budget back mainly on opening night and the weekend.
The first Saw film turned out to be a sleeper hit that no one expected to do well, in fact, it gained popularity when word got around that the ending is one of the best in cinema history. It's modest budget allowed it to make its money back and release a second sequel, a third sequel, a fourth sequel, and of course this fifth sequel that will ultimately lead it to a sixth and final film. Let it be known that I do agree with people who say it should've stopped at three. As much as I love these films, I have to say that three would've been the perfect time to stop and let it rest before starting again. But with that said, I can honestly say that this one, in my opinion, is one of the stronger movies in the franchise and I rank it up there with the first film.
When you see the first one you don't see much gore or violence, but when the gore happens it's ultimately in your face and doesn't relent whatsoever. The sequels capitalized on that notion and while the stories remained strong, the gore and the violence became more frequent and the traps were all over the place pretty much. In this one it's more of a return to what made the first film so good and unique, relying more on characters, the story, and the concepts rather than trying to display the most creative ways to kill a person.
Saw V starts off immediately where the fourth film left off and dives more into the psychology of Jigsaw and Hoffman. This is definitely the story of Hoffman and why he became Jigsaw's follower. I happened to like where the story took place, where it went, and how it tied everything together. However there were and are certain aspects I really didn't like about it, but I also understand that it made sense for the story and was more realistic in general. I was more of a fan of the mystery of Jigsaw and I liked the idea of leaving how he got the victims to your imagination. Some things are best left unsaid obviously, yet it still didn't hurt the film at all.
The acting is a bit eh at times. The best performances are Tobin Bell, Scott Patterson, and Costas Mandylor. They make you believe their characters and by the time it's over you really, really hate Hoffman because he's a sneaky individual.
The twist ending? Some friends of mine didn't like the ending and I know a lot of other people didn't. To be honest the ending is one of those elements you have to see for yourself. Either you hate it, like it, or love it. There's no other way I can really break it down to you except see it for yourself. Since this is my review and it's my opinion, I'll tell you what I thought of the ending. The ending isn't as great or as shocking as the first film, but then again, what twist will be able to top that one? Twists like that only happen once and it's very rare that it can be duplicated. Saw has managed to have twist endings that surprise you time and time again. But none of them are as shocking or as unique as the first film and it's not a bad thing. Sometimes it's in a filmmakers or writers best interest not to try and top greatness. I liked the ending and it made sense for the direction that the sixth film will take. As I said, it definitely makes you hate Hoffman by the time it's over and Costas Mandylor really captured the arrogance of the character.
The traps aren't the main focus of the film as they were in the past sequels. There's five traps or six if you count the last one, though the only one that is REALLY gorey is the first trap and the box of spinning razors. But as I said before this film is more focused on the characters, the story, and the past more so than the gore and the violence.
One of the things I did love about it is how they took you back and showed you moments from the first Saw. I think those who hated the movie will agree that it was nice to go back and see it from the beginning again.
Tobin Bell gives another strong performance as Jigsaw and you understand him more after he has his first confrontation with Hoffman and takes him under his wing. He has a warped sense of justice, however, you understand where he's coming from with his thinking. But of course Tobin is always going to give a great performance since this is HIS character and he's become something of a horror icon himself.
Scott Patterson reprises his role as Agent Peter Strahm and he's even better in this one. He's definitely a strong character who I feel is the ultimate badass honestly. When you see what he does to himself to get out of the box trap it made me cringe and wince it was just unexpected.
A lot of past stories and character arcs are closed in this film as well. You see closure on characters who haven't been seen since the first film like Danny Glover's character, you find out other characters from the fourth film didn't make it, and while there is a certain character who hasn't been seen at all since the first film it makes you wonder when will they bring him in. I will say that in order to understand this one you have to watch all of them because you will be lost if you don't.
Overall I really, really liked the film. I just hope that the sixth will be the last one and they can put it to rest because there's no other way you can continue the story after the sixth film. It should be the end once for all when October of 2009 rolls around. If they extend this to a seventh, eighth, ninth, or a tenth film then it will be one of the worst things they can do because Saw isn't Michael, Jason, Freddy, or Hellraiser.
In the end I liked it and I recommend it. But as I said, it's basically your decision and you have to decide whether or not you like the story and the ending. You have to see it for yourself and while I'm not some almighty movie critic, I can honestly say that I think this one should be ranked up there with the first Saw.
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When he was fighting Hoffman I was thinking that he was going to be the one to test him honestly. Hoffman was pushed into the box and I was thinking "This is Hoffman's test". Then when it revealed that he was escaping and Strahm would die? I was like "Hoffman is such a bastard." He just had that arrogant smirk and Costas Mandylor really captured that perfectly.
Scott Patterson, Costas Mandylor, and Tobin Bell were the best actors of the film obviously.
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I liked saw....saw 2 was ok.....saw 3 was ok....saw 4 sucked....saw 5 sucked as well.
typical horror franchise i guess. success and then nothing but ****. sorry to you saw lovers, but this franchise is consistent with one thing...Getting worse as it goes.
typical horror franchise i guess. success and then nothing but ****. sorry to you saw lovers, but this franchise is consistent with one thing...Getting worse as it goes.
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I disagree. But I'm having doubts that you've seen it since you offer no real reason as to why you hated it. In my opinion this one is more stronger because it revolves more on the characters and the story rather than the gore.
In fact the goriest scene is the beginning and the last trap. Other than that the film is fairly strong and is a lot more consistent than the fourth one.
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@Cryptic and Symbiote.
Do you have any Gordon theories? I'm definitely thinking he's alive. His face wasn't shown in the flashback and I have a hard time believing that they can't show what happened to him despite the lawsuit. They can easily show a decomposed body in Jigsaw's lair or something. But I am starting to believe he's an apprentice or someone who is in hiding. Did you see the trail of blood in the basement? That definitely looked like a lot of blood and as far as I know, Detective Matthew's crushed foot couldn't have generated that much blood loss and Tapp was the only dead person in the hallway.
I am thinking Gordon dragged himself to an unknown location and hasn't been seen or heard from again. Either Jigsaw, Hoffman, or Amanda helped him or he actually escaped and got help for himself. We know EVERYONE in the house from the second film is dead, we know Eric, Rigg, Kerry, Amanda, Jeff, Lynn, and Jigsaw are dead, we know Tapp and obviously Sing is dead. Adam is dead, Strahm is dead, Perez is dead. So there's only Hoffman, Erickson, Jill, and Dr. Gordon left.
I am thinking Gordon dragged himself to an unknown location and hasn't been seen or heard from again. Either Jigsaw, Hoffman, or Amanda helped him or he actually escaped and got help for himself. We know EVERYONE in the house from the second film is dead, we know Eric, Rigg, Kerry, Amanda, Jeff, Lynn, and Jigsaw are dead, we know Tapp and obviously Sing is dead. Adam is dead, Strahm is dead, Perez is dead. So there's only Hoffman, Erickson, Jill, and Dr. Gordon left.
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are you joking? because i dont like it, you think i havent seen it?
my wife dragged me to see it and it was ok. but compared to the original, its ****. the real..."main story"... of this franchise is so lame. im sorry, but how many apprentices does jigsaw have?
Got Milk? cause this franchise is milking all its got. other than new traps, it has no purpose.
in saw 6 its going to be jigsaws apprentices apprentice.
sorry you hate the fact that people dont like what u like, but this franchise has gotten progressively WORSE.
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are you joking? because i dont like it, you think i havent seen it?
my wife dragged me to see it and it was ok. but compared to the original, its ****. the real..."main story"... of this franchise is so lame. im sorry, but how many apprentices does jigsaw have?
Got Milk? cause this franchise is milking all its got. other than new traps, it has no purpose.
in saw 6 its going to be jigsaws apprentices apprentice.
sorry you hate the fact that people dont like what u like, but this franchise has gotten progressively WORSE.
Like I said, I doubt you've seen it since you're not saying anything we don't already know about the past sequels or anything in general. You do realize that every franchise is always about milking it and trying to make money right? Spider-Man, X-Men, Batman, Superman, and etc are no different. Why ruin something that's making money?
I feel SAW V should be ranked up there with the first one, but the ending is nowhere near as shocking or as creative as the first. As for the sixth film? Yes, I do believe there will be an apprentice that tests Hoffman and that's where it will end once and for all. I do not see this extending past six at all honestly.
I don't hate that people dislike what I like. I hate how posters come in and express how much something sucks, yet they don't say why and it's usually unintelligent drivel.
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At this point, I'm having doubts Dr. Gordon will appear. I thought he would definitely return in this one, and was disapointed big time that he wasn't in it. The movie was good, but man, No Dr. Gordon. And the only two people that are left are Jill and Hoffman.
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Don't be so sure now. I didn't get my hopes up so I wasn't disappointed or shocked. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did show up in the sixth film as a hero or an apprentice. I think it would be incredibly stupid for them to go this long and not say what happened to him. So in my eyes I look at it like this there's Gordon, Hoffman, Jill, Erickson, and Brit now. Brit was acting a bit too calm through the game and I feel she knew something.
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Yeah, Brit is kind of suspicous. I think Mallick honestly died though, did you see his hand? Damn. He was a pretty cool character too. Now Erickson will be on Strahm's tail forever, and will never find him. I think something's up with him too. Plus, when he's talking to Jill, there's a picture with him and it looks to be his wife or daughter in the frame. So, we'll definitely find some backstory out on him in the last one.
And I want SAW to end with the sixth film. Period. They only signed six films, and that is all I want. I love these movies, but something BIG is about to happen. And then it should end. I see V as the calm before the storm kind of movie. VI will unleash everything.
And I want SAW to end with the sixth film. Period. They only signed six films, and that is all I want. I love these movies, but something BIG is about to happen. And then it should end. I see V as the calm before the storm kind of movie. VI will unleash everything.
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what do you want me to say man? that Strahm was crushed by walls? that strahm shoves hoffman into the glass box? hoffman placed the phone where the game is being played? strahm turns out to be the real one trapped? i mean wtf? i saw the ****ing movie. and it was not good. sorry.
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