The Official SAW V thread

[Symbiotic]

If Jill turns out to be evil and the true Jigsaw or whatever, I will be supremely disappointed. It will just be lazy writing.

I have a feeling

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that's exactly what will happen. I agree that it would be lazy writing though.

 

[Matt]

Anyhow, my thoughts:

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This is probably my least favorite Saw movie. And it is pretty bad. The entire focus of this movie is how Hoffman became the apprentice and how he is covering his ass...but when it comes down to it, Hoffman isn't that interesting of a character. Furthermore, too many flashbacks are a bad thing. Did we really need an entire movie where the focus of the movie was for all intents and purposes, the flashbacks and character connections?

I think that is what is off about this movie. Usually the flashback or the twist is a shocking revelation that ties everything together. There is mystery involved. This movie lacked that. We knew Hoffman was the killer the whole time. There was nothing worth revealing to us. And that kinda sums up this movie...it really just wasn't worth the time. They could've done something interesting with Hoffman, maybe instead of him being a killer...his actions in Saw IV could've been him playing a unique game Jigsaw created for him, to keep himself or someone he loves alive and this movie could've further explored that, a sort of unwilling apprentice. And then Saw V could've further explained that. Instead they make him a two dimensional sociopath who became Jigsaw's apprentice cause of some lame plot about him get revenge on his sister's killer. And we get to spend an hour and a half watching him cover his tracks? Yawn.

Furthermore, the whole B-plot felt so useless. All of those characters were completely wooden. They weren't connected to the plot at all (except to frame Strahm which could've been accomplished in countless other ways), and were pretty much just there to build up a body count. I miss the psychological horror of the first movie, where it was about more than watching people get tortured. Hell, I miss the second movie, which had a high body count but the characters actually meant something, served the plot, and were well developed.

Furthermore, arson? Really? That is why these people were killed? That is their big sin that Jigsaw had to make them appreciate life for? What's next? [Creepy Tobin Bell voice]You hit a parked car and did not leave a note with your insurance information.[/Creepy Tobin Bell voice]

Overall just a really disappointing experience. The writers could've gone somewhere very unique and made Hoffman a character worth while. Instead they went down a boring, cliched road.

Also, I have a feeling Hoffman's test has to do with the note. "Perhaps you will succeed where others have failed." I think Jigsaw sent the note (or arranged for it to be delievered) to see if Hoffman was a worthy apprentice or would do as Amanda did and kill for selfish reasons, and create traps with no way to win. He succeeded in that case. He gave Strahm an out.

Oh, and how the hell are the Jigsaw killers affording these traps at this point? A room where the walls close. That can't be cheap.

 

[The Chris]

Do we know who is writing Saw VI? It would be great if it was Leigh Whannell again since he wrote my favs of the series on his own.

 

[Untilteld]

leigh and james need to write the final one and tie up all loose ends.

 

[Symbiotic]

leigh and james need to write the final one and tie up all loose ends.

Agreed. I like this series, but it needs to end soon before it goes to far.

 

[Matt]

There are three loose ends at this point...

Gordon, Jill's box, and Amanda's letter (at least what was on it).

The only one I care about is Gordon and I don't think Elwes will do it and a re-cast will be cheap. No matter where they go with Jill's box, I guarantee it'll suck on some level (Because realy, all you do is either have something that turns her evil, or have something so inconsequential that it just disappoints). It is better left to the imagination. Same with Amanda's letter.

The only good way I can see this franchise ending while tying up loose strings is to have Hoffman fall from grace (and by grace I mean break the rules like Amanda did). Use the next movie to show his descent. He killed the one person who suspected him. John is dead and out of the way...Hoffman thinks he is untouchable. Like all serial killers, he feels he is God. Nothing is left to stop him. He becomes more and more sadistic with his killings. Throughout the movie we learn there are two Jigsaw killers operating and they appear to be independent. One is actually trying to teach lessons and giving his victims the opportunity to escape, as John did. The other is Hoffman who is just killing people like Amanda did and as he did to Seth. Throughout the movie we are led to believe the second Jigsaw is Jill. As Hoffman comes across more and more clues like "I know who you are," he becomes more and more paranoid of Jill and decides to kill her. The climax could be him killing Jill. However right afterwards, as he tries to leave the scene, he is attacked and knocked out....the ending can be Hoffman waking up in a trap. He ultimately perishes as a figure wearing the pig mask watches. After he dies, the figure walks off, and the camera pans down to him walking with a cane and an artificial foot, and that could be how the franchise ends.

 

[#1Batmanfan]

If Jill turns out to be evil and the true Jigsaw or whatever, I will be supremely disappointed. It will just be lazy writing.

the best way for this series to end is for Dr Gordan to close the door on Hoffman and say game over

 

[BatSpider]

Can someonme fill me in on how

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Gordan is still a possibility, I last saw him with one leg crawling away followed by Jigsaw???

 

[Matt]

the best way for this series to end is for Dr Gordan to close the door on Hoffman and say game over

But I do not believe Elwes will come back. Plus I would like it if there were still some mystery involved like the ending I described above. The cane and artifical foot could leave some doubt in mind. The viewer would never be certain though due to the pig mask.

Can someonme fill me in on how

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Gordan is still a possibility, I last saw him with one leg crawling away followed by Jigsaw???

John was not a murderer. He gave people the choice. He wouldn't have followed Gordon out and shot him. Especially after Gordon did, kind of, pass his test.

 

[BatSpider]

But I do not believe Elwes will come back. Plus I would like it if there were still some mystery involved like the ending I described above. The cane and artifical foot could leave some doubt in mind. The viewer would never be certain though due to the pig mask.



John was not a murderer. He gave people the choice. He wouldn't have followed Gordon out and shot him. Especially after Gordon did, kind of, pass his test.

but I would assume that Gordan would have died in there, unless any of the furture movies said his body wasnt found?

 

[#1Batmanfan]

didn't the actor that played Gordan settle his lawsuit?? cause if so it make perfect sense for him to come back

 

[Matt]

but I would assume that Gordan would have died in there, unless any of the furture movies said his body wasnt found?

It has yet to be discussed, Gordon has not been mentioned outside of a brief reference in 3 where Jigsaw saws he played his game with the female doctor's colleague.

Right now, we do not know what, if anything, John did to Gordon.

 

[Matt]

didn't the actor that played Gordan settle his lawsuit?? cause if so it make perfect sense for him to come back

I do not believe he did, but even if he did...would he really want to work with a studio that he believes to have screwed him?

 

[Sloth7d]

Anyhow, my thoughts:

Spoiler

This is probably my least favorite Saw movie. And it is pretty bad. The entire focus of this movie is how Hoffman became the apprentice and how he is covering his ass...but when it comes down to it, Hoffman isn't that interesting of a character. Furthermore, too many flashbacks are a bad thing. Did we really need an entire movie where the focus of the movie was for all intents and purposes, the flashbacks and character connections?

I think that is what is off about this movie. Usually the flashback or the twist is a shocking revelation that ties everything together. There is mystery involved. This movie lacked that. We knew Hoffman was the killer the whole time. There was nothing worth revealing to us. And that kinda sums up this movie...it really just wasn't worth the time. They could've done something interesting with Hoffman, maybe instead of him being a killer...his actions in Saw IV could've been him playing a unique game Jigsaw created for him, to keep himself or someone he loves alive and this movie could've further explored that, a sort of unwilling apprentice. And then Saw V could've further explained that. Instead they make him a two dimensional sociopath who became Jigsaw's apprentice cause of some lame plot about him get revenge on his sister's killer. And we get to spend an hour and a half watching him cover his tracks? Yawn.

Furthermore, the whole B-plot felt so useless. All of those characters were completely wooden. They weren't connected to the plot at all (except to frame Strahm which could've been accomplished in countless other ways), and were pretty much just there to build up a body count. I miss the psychological horror of the first movie, where it was about more than watching people get tortured. Hell, I miss the second movie, which had a high body count but the characters actually meant something, served the plot, and were well developed.

Furthermore, arson? Really? That is why these people were killed? That is their big sin that Jigsaw had to make them appreciate life for? What's next? [Creepy Tobin Bell voice]You hit a parked car and did not leave a note with your insurance information.[/Creepy Tobin Bell voice]

Overall just a really disappointing experience. The writers could've gone somewhere very unique and made Hoffman a character worth while. Instead they went down a boring, cliched road.

Also, I have a feeling Hoffman's test has to do with the note. "Perhaps you will succeed where others have failed." I think Jigsaw sent the note (or arranged for it to be delievered) to see if Hoffman was a worthy apprentice or would do as Amanda did and kill for selfish reasons, and create traps with no way to win. He succeeded in that case. He gave Strahm an out.

Oh, and how the hell are the Jigsaw killers affording these traps at this point? A room where the walls close. That can't be cheap.

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Well, they did sorta kill 8 people in that fire, though I agree it had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of the movie.Though you pretty much have to wonder what technicality got that junky off in a murder trial with that many victims.

 

[Matt]

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Well, they did sorta kill 8 people in that fire, though I agree it had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of the movie.Though you pretty much have to wonder what technicality got that junky off in a murder trial with that many victims.

I just wanted to use my "you hit a parked car and didn't leave a note," line

 

[CashforStash]

I might see this on Tuesday.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

i saw this, and the 3rd one, and all i can say is that they suck, imo the whole series probably sucks, mostly because i'm not into the whole "i like seeing people being tortured" type of guy

 

[Keyser Soze]

I've not seen Saw V, or Saw IV for that matter. And I have very little interest in doing so. In my opinion, this franchise died when Jigsaw did.

None of the sequels have matched the first film. But as far as horror sequels go, Saw II and even Saw III were pretty respectable. But from the reports and overviews I've read, the 4th and moreso the 5th film in the Saw series have become like your typical horror sequels: only tenuously linked to the original, all nuance thrown out of the window in favor of extravagant gore, a quick cash-in.

 

[Matt]

Added a poll.

 

[Rocker22]

I liked it. Right now though I think they should end it a 6 and just wrap everything up that is left, which at this point isn't alot.

 

[Drizzle]

I thought they said shortly after Saw IV came out that they would end it at 6?

 

[The Chris]

That's what I heard.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

During the flashbacks in all Saw films when we see characters from the past, do they hire the actors back to film small segments if not then do they ask for the actors permission in using what tiny bit of footage they were in?

 

[bullets]

This movie was good for setting up 6-what should be the last chapter. Id like to see a Detective get the upper hand on Hoffman and lay him to rest . Unfortunately we will get another accomplice and series of flashbacks. There is a tagline that reads "You won't believe how it ends" which is ironic because there really isn't much of a twist (maybe that is the twist). I did like the relevation regarding the five victims fending for themselves. The traps were good and they did a decent job establishing Hoffman as a credible killer. I'd like to see where it goes with Jigsaw's wife but hopefully not where i think it's going to go. The hands in the saw was brutal.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

@Lazlo- Sometimes they do hire the actors back for a particular scene. However, most of the time the director(s) film quite a few scenes and just restore it to save money. That's one of the reasons why these films are so cheap to make because it's mainly flashbacks and they can just put those scenes back in.

As for the sixth film? Hoffman hasn't been tested and I believe we'll see his test in SAW VI.

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Is anyone up for another theory? What if Strahm isn't dead? What if this is just a nightmare sequence? I know it's a longshot but I have a hard time believing they would just kill him off like that after one movie. I mean Eric's character lasted three movies. We never received any kind of backstory of Strahm and it would've been nice to see. As I said, we know he was married because he had a wedding ring. But what a slow and painful way to die though.