Apocalypse The Official Sophie Turner/Jean Grey Thread - Part 2

[Flint Marko]

They didn't give any sort of acknowledgement to The Wolverines ending in DOFP (where he lost the metal in his claws) or to DOFP's ending (with Mystique posing as Stryker) so I'm sure they won't hold themselves to that ending either.

 

[Herolee10]

They didn't give any sort of acknowledgement to The Wolverines ending in DOFP (where he lost the metal in his claws) or to DOFP's ending (with Mystique posing as Stryker) so I'm sure they won't hold themselves to that ending either.

In those cases, I think it's supposed to be where fans are meant to fill in the blanks on their own on how he (Wolverine) wounded up in those positions later on.

I mean it's not hard to imagine that Wolverine could have gotten his metal claws back with the help of Magneto in the years between the events of "The Wolverine" and the start of "DOFP".

Now regarding Mystique posing as Stryker, yeah I have to admit...it feels like lazy writing given on how nothing really came out of it.

But saying that the new future that Wolverine woke up to could be erased at any minute makes the whole experience in getting to that point feel cheap and worthless.

 

[Jekecy]

Did anyone else notice the cut on her wrist when she holds Scott's hand in the aircraft?

It was a close-up shot, so I'm curious if that was a subtle implication as to Jean's personal strife, or an unfortunate gloss over of Sophie's actual life.




...or am I imagining things?

 

[psylockolussus]

I feel like it would be pretty stupid to undo the ending shown in DOFP. I mean it sort of devalues the whole struggle in saving the so called apocalyptic "future" in the first place.

Definitely! That scene was my favorite scene in DOFP! It was amazing! I was literally geeking out and then when Queen Jean and King Cyclops appeared, I was like ahhh screaming! It was sooo good!!! It was uncanny!

 

[marvelrobbins]

Kinberg has said inless time travel happens again the X-men films in past are leading up to that.

Throwing out future ending of DOFP isn't an option right now.wolverine solo
film takes place after that.and wolverine solo film introduces X-23 for
X-force.

Singer may be gone from X-men films now so what he said doesn't really matter.and even more recently he said they want the films to be connected.

 

[Havok83]

So just double checking on things, but am I to assume that Sophie's Jean in "Apocalypse" is meant to eventually become the Famke version of Jean Grey that was scene in the "new future" at the end of DOFP?

I only ask because if we're to use that bookend scene from DOFP, then that means that Jean won't die in this new timeline as well from the Phoenix issue.

Jean can still die. Theres nothing to suggest she is immune from that

 

[JP]

Did anyone else notice the cut on her wrist when she holds Scott's hand in the aircraft?

It was a close-up shot, so I'm curious if that was a subtle implication as to Jean's personal strife, or an unfortunate gloss over of Sophie's actual life.




...or am I imagining things?

Not sure what happened to Sophie, but I know that during the act three scenes she had a gash on her face that had to be edited out in post.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Jean can still die. Theres nothing to suggest she is immune from that

She can die but chances are it would just be same old if they killed her again, they killed her in X2 but teased her return, they killed her in X3 for good and then they brought her back with time travel, killing her again would be old at this point, you need to something different now

 

[Flint Marko]

In those cases, I think it's supposed to be where fans are meant to fill in the blanks on their own on how he (Wolverine) wounded up in those positions later on.

I mean it's not hard to imagine that Wolverine could have gotten his metal claws back with the help of Magneto in the years between the events of "The Wolverine" and the start of "DOFP".

Now regarding Mystique posing as Stryker, yeah I have to admit...it feels like lazy writing given on how nothing really came out of it.

But saying that the new future that Wolverine woke up to could be erased at any minute makes the whole experience in getting to that point feel cheap and worthless.

I've had this debate before about Wolverine's metal claws in DOFP and I don't buy the Magneto explanation. Seems like the easiest way to write it off but it doesn't quite add up. This would require Magneto to have procured liquid adamantium (because once it cools, it's hardened forever) and have garnered surgical equipment/expertise to adhere it to Wolverine's skeleton. At that point what do you even need magneto for? Seems like a lot of trouble to explain away that simple fact that Singer doesn't care about continuity.
I have almost no doubt in my mind that, going forward, they are going to do whatever they want regardless of how DOFP ended.

 

[Havok83]

She can die but chances are it would just be same old if they killed her again, they killed her in X2 but teased her return, they killed her in X3 for good and then they brought her back with time travel, killing her again would be old at this point, you need to something different now

as if this series doesnt repeat stuff with characters. How many times can they have Magneto go from villian to ally, to villain, back to ally? I feel like this literally happens almost every film

 

[GuestStar2004]

as if this series doesnt repeat stuff with characters. How many times can they have Magneto go from villian to ally, to villain, back to ally? I feel like this literally happens almost every film

And quite a few people are tired of that right? does that mean you should encourage it with jean too?

 

[marvelrobbins]

And quite a few people are tired of that right? does that mean you should encourage it with jean too?

If fassbender returns who knows if Magneto will ever be villain again.it seems for now it defently seems like mystique they essential erased the OT version
of magneto.others can still be similar to OT versions but not them.

with Jean they probally will redo dark Phoenix at some point.maybe not next
film.Kinberg wants to do it.although they have to do it with her living at the end.

 

[GuestStar2004]

They probably still wouldn't have killed her off again even with that ending, I mean what was the point of doing the story again if you are just gonna kill her again, it's almost like she didn't die the right way the first time so we will kill her the right way this time...

 

[dax]

How about they don't kill Jean at all! She's already died twice and brought back to life twice so let's not repeat the cycle with Jean.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think they should kill off Mystique in the next installment. Give her a hero's death in both Xavier and Magneto's eyes. It's probably the only logical way to move on from her being leader of the X-Men. (so Cyclops can step up)

 

[ApophènX]

I think they should kill off Mystique in the next installment. Give her a hero's death in both Xavier and Magneto's eyes. It's probably the only logical way to move on from her being leader of the X-Men. (so Cyclops can step up)

That would be great for a first movie, then the second about the Shi'ar and travel into space and the third coming back they found a story involving Magneto and Genosha.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think they should kill off Mystique in the next installment. Give her a hero's death in both Xavier and Magneto's eyes. It's probably the only logical way to move on from her being leader of the X-Men. (so Cyclops can step up)

Thats not the only logical way to do it, thats just the lazy X3 way of doing it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Thats not the only logical way to do it, thats just the lazy X3 way of doing it.

Mystique may not even be in next film.especilly if fox doesn't want to pay Lawrence.besides it's likely to be 9 or 10 years later.they don't have to
mention Mystique at all.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Mystique may not even be in next film.especilly if fox doesn't want to pay Lawrence.besides it's likely to be 9 or 10 years later.they don't have to
mention Mystique at all.

If you listen to bryan he honestly makes it sound like Jlaw isn't a must, they can get someone else to do it.

Infact that link you posted with the podcast interview he talks about why he finds raven such an interesting character.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If you listen to bryan he honestly makes it sound like Jlaw isn't a must, they can get someone else to do it.

Infact that link you posted with the podcast interview he talks about why he finds raven as such an interesting character.

Bryan may not even be involved in X-men anymore so who knows what he
says will be what Kinberg and fox will do.even so from empire's spoiler pod it sounds like they if they listen to bryan could continue with someone else as mystique.of course that could mean someone who will alllow a blue mystique again.I don't like idea of mystique solo weither it be for lawrence or anyone else.

But,it's not hard at all to switch things up in next film.In DOFP they never even addressed Xavier's return from the dead.they just had wolverine startled in the wolverine mid credit scene and that was it.they also didn't
address last stand's cure plotline at all In DOFP.granted ending of Last stand hinted with magneto it wasn't permeant as people thought.

 

[javon]

Is it me or was Jean more of a leader in the movie than Scott?

 

[eledoremassis02]

Is it me or was Jean more of a leader in the movie than Scott?

She was but she has more of a connection to Xavier and the school so it's only natural. I felt Cyclops was very much the X1 Wolverine of this movie

 

[Smilodon]

Singer dropped a funny tidbit from the mall sequence in his Empire spoiler podcast, in which Sophie brought up her resemblance to Boy George to Bryan and they ended up filming a scene where Scott comments on their resemblance after they pick up the Dazzler record. Hope to get all those awesome moments in the DVD/BD.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Thats not the only logical way to do it, thats just the lazy X3 way of doing it.

I mean, she's a good guy now. Through and through. If she switched sides again it'd be ****ing ridiculous.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I mean, she's a good guy now. Through and through. If she switched sides again it'd be ****ing ridiculous.

She doesn't have to switch sides again, it's like saying the only way to bring in forge is if we kill off beast since cant have 2 tech guys around huh?

There are many ways it could go with it.