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[GreenKToo]

untill pirates 3 comes out

the hype and positive buzz for spidey3 are HUGE!!! there isn't any big movie out before spidey. and it has three weeks to gross before pirates 3. furthermore, the market is superb... one of the best i have seen in the history. if nothing goes wrong, it will easily break SR's record in less than 10 days and make billions if not breaking pirate2's record.

 

[LL2K2]

Yet every single one of these "third" films have massive expectations.

Shrek 2 did $441M ($920M ww). POTC 2 did $464M ($1.6B ww). Spidey 2 did 'only' $374M ($783M ww).

Spidey 3 opens two weeks from Friday (May 4). We've seen tons of commercials for that film. Shrek the Third follows two weeks after that on May 18. Pirates 3 opens a week later, May 25. Have there been any ads yet? Nope. At least not that I've seen.

[sarcasm mode, but fairly serious]Based on the figures I just listed above (all courtesy of BoxOfficeMojo), all three films will probably have to gross a minimum of $500M domestic just to meet expectations.[/end mode]

 

[Matt]

I think that is a bit out there, LL2K. No one in the industry is expecting a 1.5 billion dollar month. Now I think any of these movies struggling to reach 200 million domestically would be seen as a massive dissapointment. Just as it was for Superman Returns.

 

[dark_b]

Yet every single one of these "third" films have massive expectations.

Shrek 2 did $441M ($920M ww). POTC 2 did $464M ($1.6B ww). Spidey 2 did 'only' $374M ($783M ww).

Spidey 3 opens two weeks from Friday (May 4). We've seen tons of commercials for that film. Shrek the Third follows two weeks after that on May 18. Pirates 3 opens a week later, May 25. Have there been any ads yet? Nope. At least not that I've seen.

[sarcasm mode, but fairly serious]Based on the figures I just listed above (all courtesy of BoxOfficeMojo), all three films will probably have to gross a minimum of $500M domestic just to meet expectations.[/end mode]

please dont tell me that this is the same like SR 200 ?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I've heard unofficially that the budget is 250mil and another 50mil marketing for Spidey 3. If it makes less than or equal to Spidey 2, you can make the argument that it's not a great success.

 

[Showtime]

Interesting in regards to the budget, but they are banking on big WW take.

 

[Matt]

Not to mention, high profits of the previous two movies allow them to give a little more to budget. Superman Returns didn't have that luxury.

 

[Showtime]

Not to mention, high profits of the previous two movies allow them to give a little more to budget. Superman Returns didn't have that luxury.

Exactly.

 

[Matt]

Exactly.

In all honesty, SM3 (or any of these May movies, really) could put up SR numbers...and Sony, Disney, or Dreamworks would still be up close to 500 million give or take from them.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

IMO SM3 will not do more than SM2.

 

[Matt]

IMO SM3 will not do more than SM2.

Probably not. The competition is much more stiff, but again...it doesn't matter. Even is SM3 simply broke even WW (and really, what are the odds of that, even with the competition?)...Sony will still be up close to 500 million dollars from this franchise.

 

[Excel]

Tracking has Spiderman 3 at 123 million opening weekend. im 100% itll take pirates record, and could cross 400 million.

spidey movies make thier money in toys/merchandise sales. box office is chump change for sony compared to that stuff.

look for spiderman to 140 opening wekeend, perhaps more, with a total north of 360 million. Shrek should do solid, but all things are pointing towards a potentially massive dissappointment for pirates unless their marketing REALLY picks up.

 

[buggs0268]

No more than Raimi used Superman II for Spiderman 2. Or Nolan used STM for Batman Begins. Now yes, if you add to that the direct quotes and stuff it gives a worse impression.

Raimi didn't use stuff from Superman 2. I believe the Spiderman giving up his suit was in comics before Superman was being worked on. And I don't think Mankelweitcz lifted it from Spiderman. They wanted to make a 2 arc story, and part of that plan was for Superman to get tired of being the hero and living a life with Lois.

 

[El Payaso]

Raimi didn't use stuff from Superman 2. I believe the Spiderman giving up his suit was in comics before Superman was being worked on. And I don't think Mankelweitcz lifted it from Spiderman. They wanted to make a 2 arc story, and part of that plan was for Superman to get tired of being the hero and living a life with Lois.

Raimi could have chosen any Spiderman plot from decades, he went with the one resembling Superman 2.

Btw, Raimi used 2 Spiderman comic books for that, in one Spidey has a serious cold which makes him losing partially his powers and to act strange and ends up revealing his identity. In the pother he just quits. Raimi mixed them in an odd way; if Peter is losing irremediably his powers, then what's the point in having that conversation with Uncle Ben and quit being Spiderman...? I mean, if he was losing his powers like it or not, did he have any choice of not quitting?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Raimi could have chosen any Spiderman plot from decades, he went with the one resembling Superman 2.

Btw, Raimi used 2 Spiderman comic books for that, in one Spidey has a serious cold which makes him losing partially his powers and to act strange and ends up revealing his identity. In the pother he just quits. Raimi mixed them in an odd way; if Peter is losing irremediably his powers, then what's the point in having that conversation with Uncle Ben and quit being Spiderman...? I mean, if he was losing his powers like it or not, did he have any choice of not quitting?

See this is what baffles me about people saying they didnt like SR because there were too many Donner references, when each Spiderman film has just as many as SR and yet they are universally loved.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The budget of SM3 is simply insane: $258m! And we are talking of a REAL budget, not the fake SR budget ($270m) reported by boxofficemojo.com.
I'm 100% sure that Spiderman 3 will generate a great profit, but it will be far less profitable than the first spider-man movie.

IMO the studios have to stop this trend. They have to limit the budgets of their movies: 300 was considered an incredible hit only because its $65m budget...

For the first time a spider-man movie will struggle to break even basing on the box office numbers.

 

[Matt]

The budget of SM3 is simply insane: $258m! And we are talking of a REAL budget, not the fake SR budget ($270m) reported by boxofficemojo.com.
I'm 100% sure that Spiderman 3 will generate a great profit, but it will be far less profitable than the first spider-man movie.

IMO the studios have to stop this trend. They have to limit the budgets of their movies: 300 was considered an incredible hit only because its $65m budget...

For the first time a spider-man movie will struggle to break even basing on the box office numbers.

Again, with a movie like Spider-Man...it doesn't matter. Notice how the original Pirates, original Shrek, and original Spider-Man all have something in common? They all have respectably small budgets for blockbusters.

Spider-Man - 140 million (not exactly small, but compared to what we see with most big movies...)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl - 140 million
Shrek - 60 million

Now what are the budgets of the sequels? 200 million? 220 million? 250 million? Why? Because even if these movies just break even (and what are the odds of that?)...They still have a net gain of about 500 million from their prequels. That was WB's biggest mistake. Giving Singer 250 million (and regardless of how ridiculous you claim it to be, with advertising factored in, that is a close estimate)...for a movie in which they had no clue what would happen or nothing to fall back on.

 

[superbaby]

The budget of SM3 is simply insane: $258m! And we are talking of a REAL budget, not the fake SR budget ($270m) reported by boxofficemojo.com.
I'm 100% sure that Spiderman 3 will generate a great profit, but it will be far less profitable than the first spider-man movie.

IMO the studios have to stop this trend. They have to limit the budgets of their movies: 300 was considered an incredible hit only because its $65m budget...

For the first time a spider-man movie will struggle to break even basing on the box office numbers.

fake budget??? why then WB didn't do anything to fix the problem??? they want people to get a bigger disappointment???
anyway, for spidey 3 budget, it worths it when it offers a higher possible to break the record.

 

[Matt]

See this is what baffles me about people saying they didnt like SR because there were too many Donner references, when each Spiderman film has just as many as SR and yet they are universally loved.

The essential difference is, Spider-Man did not rely on any other movie like the Donner movies to provide a back story for it, and it did not essentially lift the plot from the Donner movies. What Singer did was pretty much a copy and paste with some tweaks. Raimi did go overboard on homages, but he did not lift plot or make a sequel to.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

fake budget??? why then WB didn't do anything to fix the problem???

Fake, because it was not the official figure that Singer and the studio reported.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The essential difference is, Spider-Man did not rely on any other movie like the Donner movies to provide a back story for it, and it did not essentially lift the plot from the Donner movies. What Singer did was pretty much a copy and paste with some tweaks. Raimi did go overboard on homages, but he did not lift plot or make a sequel to.

I disagree, both Spiderman movies follow Superman 1 and 2 rather closely, were as SR did actually end up going in a different direction towards the end.

 

[superbaby]

I disagree, both Spiderman movies follow Superman 1 and 2 rather closely, were as SR did actually end up going in a different direction towards the end.

then, spidey 3 is refering to supes 3. the good superman vs the bad superman.
the only difference is sami makes it work superbly, and singer fails awfully.

 

[superbaby]

Fake, because it was not the official figure that Singer and the studio reported.

why didn't then WB shoot them a letter??? but let the figure stays till forever instead???

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

then, spidey 3 is refering to supes 3. the good superman vs the bad superman.
the only difference is sami makes it work superbly, and singer fails awfully.

Did Singer direct Superman 3 too?

 

[GreenKToo]

he he, thats what I was wondering as well.

Did Singer direct Superman 3 too?