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I don't see any problem in explaining another origin... in fact, I want to see that. I want to see them escape the outdated vision of the Donnerverse


how about Kryton is a future version of earth and Superman is actually sent back through time/space to earth unknowingly that it is a prehistoric Krypton.

I know there already is a comic book about it- but it could make for an interesting storyline.
 
This is something I would love to see in Man of Steel.


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Thank you!The comic writers get it. The kid is used to show another aspect of Superman's character if you get a skilled screenwriter.
 
This is something I would love to see in Man of Steel.


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ME TOO!! :word:

From all the superheros, Superman is the one I imagine as a dad. What comic is this from? I want it.


And about the L.A. Times article, I'm sure it's for a sequel to SR, pretty sure. IMO, a reboot so soon sounds ridiculous because most people who saw SR liked it, including critics and fans, and Brandon Routh was without a doubt a hit, and WB knows it.

BRING ON MOS!!
 
Yeah- jason's role is minor. Superman does need to tell Lois that he is Clark, but then where does that leave Richard. He really didnt play the a$$hole who Lois should leave- the audience would be sympathetic if Lois left him- IMO.

You are correct- the timeline is going to be all screwed up unless they explain that Jason matures faster than normal kids because of his super genetics. But i think a reboot with Routh would just confuse people.

On another subject- If they do a sequel to SR- how do you think the remaining crystals from the FOS floating around in space will come into play. The FOS is dead in its current state because Lex took all of them. those crystals in space could lead to a Bizarro or another Super-villain.

They can recast Jason. No problem there.
Richard could die heroically or just be the smart and noble man he is and leave Lois to be with Supes. He knows she still loves Superman. I'd like for Richard to discover that Clark is really Superman....it could be very interesting...:cwink: :grin:
 
Richard could die heroically or just be the smart and noble man he is and leave Lois to be with Supes.

Y'know, having Richard die could have some interesting consequences...especially after having him befriend Clark.

In terms of the whole romance angle, sure, it would free Lois up again, but then she'd also be out a fiance and the presumed father of her child, so Clark/Superman would essentially have to struggle with himself to re-connect with her without overplaying his hand; he would know it wouldn't look good for either of them, and would indignify Richard's memory, if Superman was suddenly spending so much time with her again after Richard's death. This could provide the impetus for Clark to start behaving a little less awkwardly and try to provide some stable support of his own.

The second angle is, since it's pretty much implied in SR that the whole world already suspects that Superman and Lois have had something together in the past, Superman's apparent inability to save Richard from doom would make people suspect of Superman. Suddenly, he's a questionable figure who finds people he catches from falling buildings backing off from him with wary looks in their eyes the second they reach the ground...something that Lex could easily capitalize on; given that Superman's compassion for others has been repaid him in kind during critical moments (Teschmacher AND Lois saving him from drowning/kryptonite), a collective lack of faith in Superman could set the stage for a "born-again" Luthor to snag the spotlight.
 

That's the clincher... J/K... but all kidding aside... WB has another 2-3 months to get a script done... 6 months to get it into production... Superman: MOS 12/4/09 looks like a good release date... summer 2010 will be too crowded although a May release could work. So I personally don't think the prospects are good... I think we'll definitely see some version of Superman in 2009 or 2010... a reboot... even if a movie like TIH is successful this summer (which it probably won't be)... would be a disaster for all the problems the poster before made. One thing I am confident in... WB isn't going to jam JLA in by 2009 with Miller and his cast. It still doesn't change anything for MOS though if a revised or totally novel script fails to level the execs over at WB...
 
Man, I really hope the rumor of hiring a famous screenwriter (someone with a good balance of story & action than Harris/Dougherty) come to friction & that they said who it is. I'm really curious & going crazy to know who it is. I don't think I can handle my patience any longer right now. :yellow:
 
Thank you!The comic writers get it. The kid is used to show another aspect of Superman's character if you get a skilled screenwriter.


The problem is that the situations with Chris Kent in the comics and Jason White in the movie are completely different.

In the comic SUperman is raising someone else's son and doing the noble and honorable thing, whereas in the films, Richard is the one doing the noble and honorable thing by raising someone else's son.

The situation is completely different and the film has not set up the storyline to go as it's going in the comics. That's not the story you're going to get with absentee father Superman who CAN'T raise his son.

Plus, as the comic story you referenced is any indication, raising CHris is going to be similar to Clark's upbringing. It seems sort of redundant. Personally, Chris Kent has really not done anything for me in terms of enjoying the Superman comics, he's sort of beside the point and doesn't enhance the enjoyment of the books.

I think in a movie, if anything, he's going to draw the attention away from Superman.
 
I personally am happy that a rebooted film will happen! The old storyline cannot be saved. It was ruined YEARS ago and the attempt to save it failed as well. Don't get me wrong. SR was ok, it just wasn't good enough to save a ruined franchise (thanks to SM3 and 4)...

I'm looking forward to a rebooted franchise. Starting from the beginning with new technology and getting to look at new characters besides Lex Luther... I want Metallo, Parasite, Doomsday, Darkseid and of course, Braniac!

And General Zod should look more threatening... kind of like a Jango Fett (StarWars) type of thing... not the same look, but the same general style of a armored suit.
 
does anyon remember the ersion of superman returns with color correction by a fan? there was circulating some clips a while back. where can I get those clips?
 
I personally am happy that a rebooted film will happen!

Ummm.....they haven't said there will be a reboot. It all just rumor or just made up. Only WB know if the new Superman film will be MoS or a reboot. You can't believe everything you hear. The reboot talk is more of some fans wanting a reboot after hating SR. Nowhere was the reboot confirmed.
 
Ummm.....they haven't said there will be a reboot. It all just rumor or just made up. Only WB know if the new Superman film will be MoS or a reboot. You can't believe everything you hear. The reboot talk is more of some fans wanting a reboot after hating SR. Nowhere was the reboot confirmed.

It's not just because of 'some fans hating SR.'

The movie underperformed, it only just made its budget back domestically; and Warner Bros rejected two pitches from Harris/Dougherty (which included new villains). So it sounds like Warner Bros might be considering a reboot, or they'd have gone with one of the two pitches and got the ball rolling much more quickly.
 
They can recast Jason. No problem there.
Richard could die heroically or just be the smart and noble man he is and leave Lois to be with Supes. He knows she still loves Superman. I'd like for Richard to discover that Clark is really Superman....it could be very interesting...:cwink: :grin:

Oh yes, kill off the only totally 'good' person in SR, the one depicted as solid, dependable and heroic. If he dies, it will reek of a plot device and will question why he was there in the first place.

Also, Richard is the son of Lois's boss. He's not some random guy she hooked up with. If she got rid of him, she might find life very difficult at work.

The whole Richard/Jason/Lois/Superman scenario is so difficult to carry forward without killing someone off to correct the flawed dynamics that it's pretty unworkable and has all the hallmarks of bad soap opera.
 
Yeah- jason's role is minor. Superman does need to tell Lois that he is Clark, but then where does that leave Richard. He really didnt play the a$$hole who Lois should leave- the audience would be sympathetic if Lois left him- IMO.

You are correct- the timeline is going to be all screwed up unless they explain that Jason matures faster than normal kids because of his super genetics. But i think a reboot with Routh would just confuse people.

On another subject- If they do a sequel to SR- how do you think the remaining crystals from the FOS floating around in space will come into play. The FOS is dead in its current state because Lex took all of them. those crystals in space could lead to a Bizarro or another Super-villain.
Telling her was the right thing to do before he slept with her and left. And they should never do a total reboot of this francise with Routh or any actor in SR.
 
while the underlying themes of SR ( loneliness, acceptance, finding your place, discovering your not alone, etc. ) might have INTENDED to be touching and powerful, the actual EXECUTION of those themes fell way short, imo.

It's like you set out to write a school research paper, and you proclaim that it will touch upon such and such issues. However, once you deliver the final product, it never really expounds on those issues......just sort of mentions them without exploring them further. So, the "intent" of the project ends up being more ambitious than what is finally produced.

That's what SR felt to me. It never really explored any of the issues or themes it said it was going to deal with.......it never gave anything any sort of "emotional weight."

From Superman's journey to Krypton's remain ( the supposed CRUX of the story ), his sense of despair and desolation upon learning he is the last of his kind, his sense of feeling isolated from society upon his return and his attempts to reconnect and readjust to both society and to his loved ones like Lois, Martha, etc.( which WAS PART OF THE OFFICAL SYNOPSIS OF THE MOVIE ), his bitter rivalry with his ARCH-NEMESIS Lex Luthor ( and Luthor's HATRED AND ENVY of Superman ), to the joy of discovering that Superman does have a son ( he's no longer the "last" of his kind )..........none of those issues were given much weight.

Everything was just sort of "there" and the audience was sort of EXPECTED to connect with the characters or get into the story. It's like the movie made no real effort to CONNECT with the audience and make them FEEL for the characters on screen. It almost felt like it was the middle part of an ongoing story.....like the 2nd film of a trilogy or something........

Of course, for some ppl, the movie DID CONNECT with them. But, I think it's safe to say that on some level, the movie failed to connect with the GA. It wasn't terrible ( critically or financially ).....it wasn't outright bomb material ala Batman and Robin.....it just failed to WOW the audience.....like a movie that was enjoyable but ultimately forgettable with little impact.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. I mean, it is over 1 and 1/s years since SR.......and we......still......having......NOTHING OFFICIAL!

Surely, if WB felt SR was that successfull, Singer and co. would have been signed, sealed, and delivered, the cast and crew would have been locked, and we now would be hearing about new villain details, storyline details, etc.

Instead we are left with mere rumours and speculation ( and contradicting ones, too ). Sure, a sequel could still happen. But, the longer WB waits to make an official decision and start generating real interest in the sequel.....the more it will kill whatever "buzz" that was generated by the first film.....
 
It's not just because of 'some fans hating SR.'

The movie underperformed, it only just made its budget back domestically; and Warner Bros rejected two pitches from Harris/Dougherty (which included new villains). So it sounds like Warner Bros might be considering a reboot, or they'd have gone with one of the two pitches and got the ball rolling much more quickly.

Just for the record, Harris was not involved in any of the pitches. He worked on an overall outline and then handed the project to Mike Dougherty.
 
It's not just because of 'some fans hating SR.'

The movie underperformed, it only just made its budget back domestically; and Warner Bros rejected two pitches from Harris/Dougherty (which included new villains). So it sounds like Warner Bros might be considering a reboot, or they'd have gone with one of the two pitches and got the ball rolling much more quickly.

But nothing has been confirmed on both sides.
 
From the LA Times business section; article on Hollywood post writer's strike:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-work15feb15,1,3663196,full.story

"Fox is looking for screenplay help for its romantic comedy "Bride Wars," and Dimension Films hopes to move forward on "The $6 Billion Man," a loose remake of the TV series, possibly with Eddie Murphy. Warner Bros. is looking to hire writers for "Superman 2" and Paramount is developing a Billy Crystal comedy."

So...sumthin's going on. Maybe not much at the moment, but SR 2 ain't dead yet it seems.

Now, I'm grinning....:woot:
 
Oh yes, kill off the only totally 'good' person in SR, the one depicted as solid, dependable and heroic. If he dies, it will reek of a plot device and will question why he was there in the first place.

Also, Richard is the son of Lois's boss. He's not some random guy she hooked up with. If she got rid of him, she might find life very difficult at work.

The whole Richard/Jason/Lois/Superman scenario is so difficult to carry forward without killing someone off to correct the flawed dynamics that it's pretty unworkable and has all the hallmarks of bad soap opera.

Agreed on all points.
 
while the underlying themes of SR ( loneliness, acceptance, finding your place, discovering your not alone, etc. ) might have INTENDED to be touching and powerful, the actual EXECUTION of those themes fell way short, imo.

It's like you set out to write a school research paper, and you proclaim that it will touch upon such and such issues. However, once you deliver the final product, it never really expounds on those issues......just sort of mentions them without exploring them further. So, the "intent" of the project ends up being more ambitious than what is finally produced.

That's what SR felt to me. It never really explored any of the issues or themes it said it was going to deal with.......it never gave anything any sort of "emotional weight."

From Superman's journey to Krypton's remain ( the supposed CRUX of the story ), his sense of despair and desolation upon learning he is the last of his kind, his sense of feeling isolated from society upon his return and his attempts to reconnect and readjust to both society and to his loved ones like Lois, Martha, etc.( which WAS PART OF THE OFFICAL SYNOPSIS OF THE MOVIE ), his bitter rivalry with his ARCH-NEMESIS Lex Luthor ( and Luthor's HATRED AND ENVY of Superman ), to the joy of discovering that Superman does have a son ( he's no longer the "last" of his kind )..........none of those issues were given much weight.

Everything was just sort of "there" and the audience was sort of EXPECTED to connect with the characters or get into the story. It's like the movie made no real effort to CONNECT with the audience and make them FEEL for the characters on screen. It almost felt like it was the middle part of an ongoing story.....like the 2nd film of a trilogy or something........

Of course, for some ppl, the movie DID CONNECT with them. But, I think it's safe to say that on some level, the movie failed to connect with the GA. It wasn't terrible ( critically or financially ).....it wasn't outright bomb material ala Batman and Robin.....it just failed to WOW the audience.....like a movie that was enjoyable but ultimately forgettable with little impact.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. I mean, it is over 1 and 1/s years since SR.......and we......still......having......NOTHING OFFICIAL!

Surely, if WB felt SR was that successfull, Singer and co. would have been signed, sealed, and delivered, the cast and crew would have been locked, and we now would be hearing about new villain details, storyline details, etc.

Instead we are left with mere rumours and speculation ( and contradicting ones, too ). Sure, a sequel could still happen. But, the longer WB waits to make an official decision and start generating real interest in the sequel.....the more it will kill whatever "buzz" that was generated by the first film.....
Agreed!
 
Agreed on all points.

Including the son of the boss thing? 'Cos he's the nephew. :oldrazz: ;)

I take it you hated the moment Mary Jane ran away from the alter in "Spider-Man 2" because it's a Soap Opera cliche as well. 'Cos a lot of well liked films could be accused of it. Most naughty of them. And it hasn't even been done either (i.e. Richard dying).

Angeloz
 
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