The Official Start/Release Date & Location Thread

[Matt]

Keep in mind, if at this time last year you asked Singer's camp if he was off Logan's Run the response would be "total bull ****". Just be patient and see what happens. Chances are, whichever film gets the money first, is the one Singer will do first.

 

[odiin]

I just love it when people go around spouting opinion as fact. I for one, overall, liked Superman Returns. As with any movie there were a few things I had to take with a grain of salt, but overall, I enjoyed it and I for one do NOT feel as if Bryan gave me the finger. On the contrary, I feel as if I still owe him thanks for finally bringing Superman to the big screen in a way that was traditional and paid homage to the old movies and the comics, instead of all the tripe that was going around in the 90's and early 00's regarding a Superman movie.

THANK YOU BRYAN SINGER!

I look forward to his next installment.

Holy crap, I never thought I'd ever see a post I actually agree with in the Superman forums!

This is great news, though. The Superman theme seriously started playing in my head when I read it.

 

[X Knight]

the only problem for any SR sequel, for those of us who didn't like SR, is that SR's problems weren't just a lack of Action ( more specifically, lack of superpowered hero vs. superpowered villain action ).

Yes, it's true that SR could have used more hero vs. villain action, but the problems are deeper, they are with the Story, the context which Singer has created.

If Singer and co. just think that SR dissappointed many fans solely because it needed more "action", and that they can correct that by delivering more action in the sequel, they would be missing the deeper point.

They would still have to deal with the fact that Superman abandoned Earth/Lois for 5+ years, fathered an illegitimate bastard child ( who is being raised by another man ), a Superman that seems to be an emotional "wimp," etc., etc.

These storyline problems are much harder to correct. And, no amount of high-octane action will be able to cover it up. That would be like using a tiny bandaid to cover a deep shark bite.

But, again, this is just my opinion. For those of you who liked SR, I can understand your excitement about getting a sequel sooner.

I'm just not excited about anything related to SR........

 

[TheComicbookKid]

So if the sequel is made, will all the detractors/haters leave the Superman forums since they don't care about Singer's Superman?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I just love it when people go around spouting opinion as fact.

I think you hate it really.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

So if the sequel is made, will all the detractors/haters leave the Superman forums since they don't care about Singer's Superman?

On the contrary, they care deeply about it. They feel it's headed in the wrong direction and needs to be altered.

 

[Matt]

So if the sequel is made, will all the detractors/haters leave the Superman forums since they don't care about Singer's Superman?

Why should we have to? Are our opinions not just as valid as yours?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

It was a joke, Matt.

But it would be odd to complain about a movie you don't want to see and won't see.

 

[Matt]

It was a joke, Matt.

But it would be odd to complain about a movie you don't want to see and won't see.

Is it any more productive to sit here all day and spout off "OMGZ! ROUTH IS SUPERMAN!" or "IN SINGER I TRUST! LMOL PWNED!"?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't sound like that!t:

The same could be said of the "Singer raped my childhood" crowd too. How's that productive?

 

[Matt]

Exactly the point, none of this really is. But I think people who share their opinions, positive or negative in a well thought out manner have a right to be here. Its not the "haters" that destroy this place. It is the idiots...and we have just as many of those in the pro-Singer camp as we do in the anti-Singer camp.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I just love it when people go around spouting opinion as fact. I for one, overall, liked Superman Returns. As with any movie there were a few things I had to take with a grain of salt, but overall, I enjoyed it and I for one do NOT feel as if Bryan gave me the finger. On the contrary, I feel as if I still owe him thanks for finally bringing Superman to the big screen in a way that was traditional and paid homage to the old movies and the comics, instead of all the tripe that was going around in the 90's and early 00's regarding a Superman movie.

THANK YOU BRYAN SINGER!

I look forward to his next installment.

X2

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I agree, Matt.

But the crust of my opinion was that if (and it's a big if still) the sequel happens, what's the point of complaining about a movie you won't see.
Super-batt's post said not only the action was lacking, but some people didn't like the story. Obviously the action will be increased significantly, but the kid and the story remain.

I don't like Bay's Transformers and I haven't posted in the forums. I love the Transformers from G1 to Beast Machines, but the movie is getting a sequel no matter what. And it wasn't the flame on Optimus or Micheal Bay's involvement that turned me off. It was the story and the trailers. So what would be the point of going in there and bashing a movie that the majority of fans and the public love? I still love Transformers.

I'm not saying people's dislikes aren't valid, but the idea of posting day in and day out about it does seem weird. I try to live up to my idol, Showtime's (lol)example and be fair to both sides, but it's getting tiring after a year. What's the better way of displaying your dislike of a movie, saying how much it sucks then paying the 10.50 to the movie's b.o gross just to complain about it or not paying the 10.50.

Until/if the movie is made i certainly am not saying the people coming here to chime in on their dislikes aren't allowed to, but once Singer goes into production, it just seems kind of pointless imo.

 

[Excel]

we shall see. I was never a fan of singers fights in the xmen movies...however the airplane scene alone in superman returns has me thinking that he has some talent as a director. i dunno...its like the potentials kinda there; but you have no confidence in him (?)

i think maybe because our expecs are so low, a singer sequel could be quite popular

 

[Matt]

I agree, Matt.

But the crust of my opinion was that if (and it's a big if still) the sequel happens, what's the point of complaining about a movie you won't see.
Super-batt's post said not only the action was lacking, but some people didn't like the story. Obviously the action will be increased significantly, but the kid and the story remain.

I don't like Bay's Transformers and I haven't posted in the forums. I love the Transformers from G1 to Beast Machines, but the movie is getting a sequel no matter what. And it wasn't the flame on Optimus or Micheal Bay's involvement that turned me off. It was the story and the trailers. So what would be the point of going in there and bashing a movie that the majority of fans and the public love? I still love Transformers.

I'm not saying people's dislikes aren't valid, but the idea of posting day in and day out about it does seem weird. I try to live up to my idol, Showtime's (lol)example and be fair to both sides, but it's getting tiring after a year. What's the better way of displaying your dislike of a movie, saying how much it sucks then paying the 10.50 to the movie's b.o gross just to complain about it or not paying the 10.50.

Until/if the movie is made i certainly am not saying the people coming here to chime in on their dislikes aren't allowed to, but once Singer goes into production, it just seems kind of pointless imo.

I see your point, but maybe people just like throwing their ideas and thoughts into the mix. Feel it gives them a voice, y'know?

 

[odiin]

the only problem for any SR sequel, for those of us who didn't like SR, is that SR's problems weren't just a lack of Action ( more specifically, lack of superpowered hero vs. superpowered villain action ).

Yes, it's true that SR could have used more hero vs. villain action, but the problems are deeper, they are with the Story, the context which Singer has created.

If Singer and co. just think that SR dissappointed many fans solely because it needed more "action", and that they can correct that by delivering more action in the sequel, they would be missing the deeper point.

They would still have to deal with the fact that Superman abandoned Earth/Lois for 5+ years, fathered an illegitimate bastard child ( who is being raised by another man ), a Superman that seems to be an emotional "wimp," etc., etc.

These storyline problems are much harder to correct. And, no amount of high-octane action will be able to cover it up. That would be like using a tiny bandaid to cover a deep shark bite.

But, again, this is just my opinion. For those of you who liked SR, I can understand your excitement about getting a sequel sooner.

I'm just not excited about anything related to SR........

First, I should say that I don't agree that Superman leaving and returning after 5 years was a problem, on the contrary I think it's an excellent plot device, but either way by the time the sequel rolls around he will already have been back and settled in, so that will be ancient history by that time.

I also think that IF he had been portrayed as an emotional wimp, then that would be a problem, but I don't see that as being the case. Yeah, they focused quite a bit on his relationship (or lack thereof) with Lois, but it was done much in a much less wimpy way then how similar circumstances were handled in Smallville (or worse, Spider-Man 3 yikes!) but I think this will prove you wrong as far as the action not fixing things argument. The problem with the first film wasn't so much showing too much of his emotional side as it was not showing enough of his tough side, and if the next film has a bunch of action, well... there's his tough side right there! and that will balance things out.

I actually agree with you on the superkid thing though. It wasn't actually as bad as I thought it would be in SR, but it really is something that should have come up in the third film or something, because unless they come up with a clever way of getting rid of him, they're going to have to carry that for the duration of this incarnation of the film series. All I can say is they're going to have to be REALLY careful in that respect, because it can turn sour really fast and easily.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I want them too. Fans voices have had a voice in getting bad scripts thrown out and FF2 had input from fans according to Story. Jackman said the berserker was a big wish of fans so that happened in X2.

That's why I want people to say like kakarot's post in the costume thread about the neckline. Don't say Singer sucks and nothing else. If the sequel gets made, hopefully the reds will be red this time and the neckline will come out a bit. And Routh will do more of the flying this time instead of CGI.

But complaining about stuff you want fixed and still aren't going to go to the sequel no matter what urkes me a little.

 

[Matt]

I want them too. Fans voices have had a voice in getting bad scripts thrown out and FF2 had input from fans according to Story. Jackman said the berserker was a big wish of fans so that happened in X2.

That's why I want people to say like kakarot's post in the costume thread about the neckline. Don't say Singer sucks and nothing else. If the sequel gets made, hopefully the reds will be red this time and the neckline will come out a bit. And Routh will do more of the flying this time instead of CGI.

But complaining about stuff you want fixed and still aren't going to go to the sequel no matter what urkes me a little.

I understand your point

If the sequel does get made, I won't lie...I probably will not see it in theaters. Why? Because I spent 9 dollars to see the first movie in theaters, was incredibly disappointed, didn't like the movie...so why would I spend more money to see a sequel to a movie I do not like? Its like Uwe Boll movies, people literally see them so they can *****. That seems pointless to me.

So, considering that...if a Singer sequel is greenlit and production begins, you will probably see less of me in this forum. Because you're right, its pointless to ***** about something I won't see. Especially when money speaks louder than words. I will pop up, give imput on big developments (suit, cast, plot, etc)...but that is probably about it unless I see something that really changes my mind (and being as the general plots and themes will probably carry over, as they do in most sequels I doubt much will).

 

[Matt]

First, I should say that I don't agree that Superman leaving and returning after 5 years was a problem, on the contrary I think it's an excellent plot device, but either way by the time the sequel rolls around he will already have been back and settled in, so that will be ancient history by that time.

I also think that IF he had been portrayed as an emotional wimp, then that would be a problem, but I don't see that as being the case. Yeah, they focused quite a bit on his relationship (or lack thereof) with Lois, but it was done much in a much less wimpy way then how similar circumstances were handled in Smallville (or worse, Spider-Man 3 yikes!) but I think this will prove you wrong as far as the action not fixing things argument. The problem with the first film wasn't so much showing too much of his emotional side as it was not showing enough of his tough side, and if the next film has a bunch of action, well... there's his tough side right there! and that will balance things out.

I actually agree with you on the superkid thing though. It wasn't actually as bad as I thought it would be in SR, but it really is something that should have come up in the third film or something, because unless they come up with a clever way of getting rid of him, they're going to have to carry that for the duration of this incarnation of the film series. All I can say is they're going to have to be REALLY careful in that respect, because it can turn sour really fast and easily.

A lot of things seemed out of place. In fact, you can call SR a sequel to two movies we have not seen. Sure, they could be sequels to the Donner movies, but a lot does not fit in with that. It is like Bryan Singer made the end of the trilogy, first.

 

[odiin]

I want them too. Fans voices have had a voice in getting bad scripts thrown out and FF2 had input from fans according to Story. Jackman said the berserker was a big wish of fans so that happened in X2.

That's why I want people to say like kakarot's post in the costume thread about the neckline. Don't say Singer sucks and nothing else. If the sequel gets made, hopefully the reds will be red this time and the neckline will come out a bit. And Routh will do more of the flying this time instead of CGI.

But complaining about stuff you want fixed and still aren't going to go to the sequel no matter what urkes me a little.

Agreed. If you really cared about Superman you would offer constructive criticism, not mindless bashing, not only does it make for a better, more intelligent forum, but it's also the only way that your ideas will actually get listened to. The people behind these films DO tend to listen to to, and consider the fans' ideas at least a little bit, but if you just sit there and bash everything then there's no way they'll have listen to what you're saying.

 

[Matt]

Agreed. If you really cared about Superman you would offer constructive criticism, not mindless bashing, not only does it make for a better, more intelligent forum, but it's also the only way that your ideas will actually get listened to. The people behind these films DO tend to listen to to, and consider the fans' ideas at least a little bit, but if you just sit there and bash everything then there's no way they'll have listen to what you're saying.

Its unfair to simply associate that quality with people who bash the movies when there are just as many, if not more people who enjoy the movie who are just as ignorant and mindless when posting.

 

[odiin]

A lot of things seemed out of place. In fact, you can call SR a sequel to two movies we have not seen. Sure, they could be sequels to the Donner movies, but a lot does not fit in with that. It is like Bryan Singer made the end of the trilogy, first.

Yeah, that's where the "Vague history" thing comes in. The way I think about it is this: Bryan Singer's "version" of Superman and Superman II would be essentially the same thing as Richard Donner except with his won ideas mixed in. He COULD have filmed those movies, but they would pretty much be exact remakes of the first two Supermans except with little changes here and there, but since that would be a colossal waste of time he's pretty much saying "Okay... look at the first two Superman movies. That's BASICALLY the idea, so just look at the basic plot points of those films and that's the history of my Superman"

I think it's cool that he embraced the older movies rather than threw them out, but I am part of the camp that would like for him to now start to move away from what Donner did and make it his own.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, that's where the "Vague history" thing comes in. The way I think about it is this: Bryan Singer's "version" of Superman and Superman II would be essentially the same thing as Richard Donner except with his won ideas mixed in. He COULD have filmed those movies, but they would pretty much be exact remakes of the first two Supermans except with little changes here and there, but since that would be a colossal waste of time he's pretty much saying "Okay... look at the first two Superman movies. That's BASICALLY the idea, so just look at the basic plot points of those films and that's the history of my Superman"

I think it's cool that he embraced the older movies rather than threw them out, but I am part of the camp that would like for him to now start to move away from what Donner did and make it his own.

I see it as sort of lazy. To have to pretty much rip off someone else's vision to lay down your ground work, all the while not giving the person complete credit for doing so...it just seems like lazy film making to me.

 

[odiin]

Its unfair to simply associate that quality with people who bash the movies when there are just as many, if not more people who enjoy the movie who are just as ignorant and mindless when posting.

So what? mindless praise is fine, mindless bashing is not. These things aren't equal. Bashing isn't bad because you don't LIKE something, it's bad because you're being hostile and insulting. Just like if we were talking about a fellow forum member rather than a film: If you mindlessly praised that person, no matter how dumb you sound, there's nothing wrong with that, but if you were just bashing on someone constantly you would get in trouble, and if it was really bad you would probably be banned, but you aren't going to get banned for thinking highly of someone/something.

 

[Matt]

So what? mindless praise is fine, mindless bashing is not. These things aren't equal. Bashing isn't bad because you don't LIKE something, it's bad because you're being hostile and insulting. Just like if we were talking about a fellow forum member rather than a film: If you mindlessly praised that person, no matter how dumb you sound, there's nothing wrong with that, but if you were just bashing on someone constantly you would get in trouble, and if it was really bad you would probably be banned, but you aren't going to get banned for thinking highly of someone/something.

There is plenty wrong with it. Especially since 90 % of the mindless praise leads to bashing the opinions of people who didn't like the movie.