Sequels The Official The Lizard in Spider-Man 4 thread!

[Spider-ManHero12]

During the final fight with GG, when GG jumped off the glider, that could have been done without any CGI and the scene would have looked better as a whole. Why, because it would have looked real? It could have been excuted with a man in the GG costume, with DaFoe or a stuntman. There's too many scenes like that running through Spider-Man's films. Thus is why it's deemed unnecessary CGI.

Well, you have to remember that sometimes things are too difficult for an actor to do, even if it's a jump

 

[Visionary]

Well, you have to remember that sometimes things are too difficult for an actor to do, even if it's a jump

Yeah, sometimes, but not jumping off of a glider that's only 3 feet from the ground. You don't even need a stuntman for that.

 

[Visionary]

One thing about the Lizard: I don't want to see Sony buying out and repainting Stan Winston's raptor robots. A big difference between lizards and dinosaurs is their legs: dinosaurs have their legs tucked under their bodies. I want Conners to morph into a genuinely creepy crawler.

This is why Stan Winston should be hired to make the Lizard's scaly body work. He would make the perfect transformation between Connors and The Lizard. Look at his work on The PREDATOR.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, sometimes, but not jumping off of a glider that's only 3 feet from the ground. You don't even need a stuntman for that.

Are you sure it was 3 feet? I'm sure that if it was 3 feet, they would have done made Willem jump. It's not even a big deal at all, IMO.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

One thing about the Lizard: I don't want to see Sony buying out and repainting Stan Winston's raptor robots. A big difference between lizards and dinosaurs is their legs: dinosaurs have their legs tucked under their bodies. I want Conners to morph into a genuinely creepy crawler.

Exactly... I don't want the Lizard to stand on his hind legs too much
he should crawling... or at least most of the time
let him be a wall-crawler like Spidey... let them fight on the buildings similiar to DocOck vs Spidey.

 

[Visionary]

Stan Winston knows how to handle humans mixed with animals. He's the best at it. Again look at both the Aliens and Predator. A perfect combination of what The Lizard should be.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Stan Winston knows how to handle humans mixed with animals. He's the best at it. Again look at both the Aliens and Predator. A perfect combination of what The Lizard should be.

Are you saying that he should mostly be a human in a suit when he's not doing huge action things? If so, I have to say that CGI is needed for the Lizard even when he's not in huge action scenes. I'm not saying in ever shot, but in certain shots when he's on the ground maybe.

 

[Visionary]

Are you saying that he should mostly be a human in a suit when he's not doing huge action things? If so, I have to say that CGI is needed for the Lizard even when he's not in huge action scenes. I'm not saying in ever shot, but in certain shots when he's on the ground maybe.

Yes, for the most part he should. Lizard isn't Godzilla, he's huge, but he's still of man size.

Look at the scene in Predator where he's taking off his mask (it falls to the ground), and Arnold is looking at him, then he growls hunched over and starts to attack Arnold. That's what I want. It looks 100% realistic, yet you're watching an ALIEN fight a MAN. You see the scales on Predator's flesh, you see the fleshy part of the inside of his mouth, you see realistic eyes. That my friend is damn fine filmmaking.

Had that very scene been directed by Sam Raimi with a huge budget, Predator would have been 100% CGI, looking cartoonish everytime he moved, because he would have been too lazy to figure other means to bring the character to life.

 

[Hectorminator]

Had that very scene been directed by Sam Raimi with a huge budget, Predator would have been 100% CGI, looking cartoonish everytime he moved, because he would have been too lazy to figure other means to bring the character to life.

How the hell do you know what Sam Raimi would have done with a scene from Predator and a huge budget? Isn't Raimi the guy who basically invented cheap movie tricks? Stop talking out of your ass, dude.

 

[Visionary]

I've seen how he handles Spider-Man, with a small budget Raimi is pretty good. Give him a big budget and a bunch of yes men with CGI computers at the ready, and he becomes lazy and uncreative with too many key scenes.

 

[Jick]

but Predator is way easier to do than Lizard.
Lizard is faster and hard to get. Predator is more humanoid.
and the Aliens looked horrible in some scenes.

if they can do Lizard as perfect as the dinos of Jurassic Park...then I'm all for that.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

How amazing do you guys think Dr. Connors transformation into Lizard will be? Personally, I think it's gonig to be amazing. I mean, just look at all the other past Villian transformations in the films.

 

[Hectorminator]

How amazing do you guys think Dr. Connors transformation into Lizard will be? Personally, I think it's gonig to be amazing. I mean, just look at all the other past Villian transformations in the films.

If they do the Lizard, the transformation scene could go a lot of ways, but it would pretty much be amazing going by what's been done with the past three villains.

1. Norman Osborn's transformation into the Green Goblin was pretty scary for him not physically changing, all because of Willem Dafoe's performance.
2. Doc Ock's hospital scene is my favorite scene from all three Spideys, it's so brutal but awesome.
3. Sandman's scene where he tries to form for the first time was the best part of Spider-Man 3, for both the special effects (which you could tell they spent the most time on) and for the emotionality of it.

When the Lizard transforms, I would like to see three things:

1. Doc Conners re-growing his arm back in an amazingly beautiful (but painful) looking scene with a 360 turn-around and really epic music.
2. His transformation with the Lizard should be brutal, like an American Werewolf in London, really crunchy sounds and other nasty sound effects, and a lot of quick camera cuts and dark shadows, to counteract the "smooth" turn-around when he first grew his arm.
3. When Spidey saves him and the Lizard turns back into Conners, it should be like the Hulk-Down from the first Hulk movie, kind of slow with amazing special effects, in big-broad daylight so everyone can see it.

One of the reasons I think Raimi needs to come back is so he can do the Lizard right. A great old-school villain who's basically a D-level Sci-Fi movie monster.

 

[Visionary]

but Predator is way easier to do than Lizard.
Lizard is faster and hard to get. Predator is more humanoid.
and the Aliens looked horrible in some scenes.

if they can do Lizard as perfect as the dinos of Jurassic Park...then I'm all for that.

The Aliens looked great and scary as hell in James Cameron's Aliens, he did a good in enhancing their visuals. I want The Lizard to look as great as the dinos in Jurassic Park too, but that's a big "IF" when it comes to Sony/Imageworks handling the visual effects. Now if WETA or ILM was doing the visual effects, I'd be much more confident. The Lizard isn't hard to do, as long as you have a great visual effect company and most importantly a consistant director, who can handle it and doesn't rely too much on cheap looking CGI. The fact is Predator looks realistic, and that's the way The Lizard should look, when he's moving fast or slow.

 

[Superhero 101]

Anyone trying to do a Manip for Lizaed yet?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

If they do the Lizard, the transformation scene could go a lot of ways, but it would pretty much be amazing going by what's been done with the past three villains.

1. Norman Osborn's transformation into the Green Goblin was pretty scary for him not physically changing, all because of Willem Dafoe's performance.
2. Doc Ock's hospital scene is my favorite scene from all three Spideys, it's so brutal but awesome.
3. Sandman's scene where he tries to form for the first time was the best part of Spider-Man 3, for both the special effects (which you could tell they spent the most time on) and for the emotionality of it.

When the Lizard transforms, I would like to see three things:

1. Doc Conners re-growing his arm back in an amazingly beautiful (but painful) looking scene with a 360 turn-around and really epic music.
2. His transformation with the Lizard should be brutal, like an American Werewolf in London, really crunchy sounds and other nasty sound effects, and a lot of quick camera cuts and dark shadows, to counteract the "smooth" turn-around when he first grew his arm.
3. When Spidey saves him and the Lizard turns back into Conners, it should be like the Hulk-Down from the first Hulk movie, kind of slow with amazing special effects, in big-broad daylight so everyone can see it.

One of the reasons I think Raimi needs to come back is so he can do the Lizard right. A great old-school villain who's basically a D-level Sci-Fi movie monster.

I completely agree! Lizard transforming really should look very painful, yet fascinating at the same time. I'm sure alot of CGI would be involved.

 

[The Lizard]

*burmp*

 

[The Lizard]

I realized that there was no official Lizard thread on the Sequel boards...

Well actually... http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=276851


It's OK though, since that one has been inactive for a while. Merge is welcome.

 

[Jick]

How amazing do you guys think Dr. Connors transformation into Lizard will be? Personally, I think it's gonig to be amazing. I mean, just look at all the other past Villian transformations in the films.

his transformation in the SSM was great, imo. if they can do something as good in the movie...it'll be awesome.

The Aliens looked great and scary as hell in James Cameron's Aliens, he did a good in enhancing their visuals.

they looked robotic at times. while they were scary in some parts, they were cheesy in others.

I want The Lizard to look as great as the dinos in Jurassic Park too, but that's a big "IF" when it comes to Sony/Imageworks handling the visual effects. Now if WETA or ILM was doing the visual effects, I'd be much more confident. The Lizard isn't hard to do, as long as you have a great visual effect company and most importantly a consistant director, who can handle it and doesn't rely too much on cheap looking CGI. The fact is Predator looks realistic, and that's the way The Lizard should look, when he's moving fast or slow.

but, like I said, the Predator is more humanoid and it's not so fast and ferocious as the Lizard. he's easier to do. Lizard should go all crazy jumping and biting and hitting and kicking. that's tough to do with animatronics.
they could use the animatronics when Lizard is close and stand, but CGI when he's moving and fighting.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

his transformation in the SSM was great, imo. if they can do something as good in the movie...it'll be awesome.

It truly was awesome, but I think on film it would work better if the Lizard transformation is when Dr. Connors is alone in an office when he attempts to use some sort of serum to grow his arm back. I am very optimistic about it though, so either way could defenitley work.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

What about the Lizard's roar?
IMO venom's sound would have been a perfect Lizard roar, since it is very dinosaur-like.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

What about the Lizard's roar?
IMO venom's sound would have been a perfect Lizard roar, since it is very dinosaur-like.

IMO, I think Venom's roar in Spidey3 was fantastic. Lizards roar should be deep though, but as I said in my last post, it could be awesome either way.

 

[Visionary]

they looked robotic at times. while they were scary in some parts, they were cheesy in others.

Then again, I'd rather have a few scenes that look robotic yet realistic looking, than like a CGI cartoon almost everytime a character appears. If The Lizard looks half as good, half as deadly, and half as scary as anything in Aliens, it will kill the previous films dead in quality?

but, like I said, the Predator is more humanoid and it's not so fast and ferocious as the Lizard. he's easier to do. Lizard should go all crazy jumping and biting and hitting and kicking. that's tough to do with animatronics.
they could use the animatronics when Lizard is close and stand, but CGI when he's moving and fighting.

Which is why I said a combination of Predator and Aliens. This way you have your humanoid elements of The Lizard (because he does walk upright), and your swiftness and creature like movements (when he goes animalistic) in battle.

 

[The Lizard]

Then again, I'd rather have a few scenes that look robotic yet realistic looking, than like a CGI cartoon almost everytime a character appears.

Agreed. Movie viewers have become very sensitive to CGI, so it should be used creatively, but not constantly if possible.

Which is why I said a combination of Predator and Aliens. This way you have your humanoid elements of The Lizard (because he does walk upright), and your swiftness and creature like movements (when he goes animalistic) in battle.

Another good example of this is the demon Samael from the first Hellboy movie.

 

[Jick]

It truly was awesome, but I think on film it would work better if the Lizard transformation is when Dr. Connors is alone in an office when he attempts to use some sort of serum to grow his arm back. I am very optimistic about it though, so either way could defenitley work.

his transformation was cool in the SM3 game, too.
it was kinda like a horror movie.
Spidey watchs a recording of Connor's experiment in a camera, sees that something went wrong, then Connors start screaming and hits the camera.
suddenly, Lizard appears behind Spidey and attack him. I think it would be really cool in the movie, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFqIxXdy7gA