Sequels The Official The Lizard in Spider-Man 4 thread!

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^Well I don't think we will ever be getting an R Spidey flick thus I try to think logically. I mean sure Lizard can bite and scratch and stuff but I don't see Sony letting him completly ravage somebody. I mean if Connors found out he killed people, he couldn't live with himself for Connor's character is completely sympathetic. Predator and Aliens are a different bread of sci-fi beast and started and belong in R territory. Lizard will be the first villian we get that is not in it for anything...he is just an animal. I think this change is much needed. He isn't out to get anybody...he just defends himself from what he sees as threats from Spider-Man and Kraven. But I think we can ultimately rule out bloody Lizard tyrades in NYC from a logical standpoint.

That is what I meant by sympathetic. I want the Lizard to beat the crap out of Spidey. But I want Dr. Connors to be sympathetic and not want to be the Lizard. I want the Lizard to be very mean and throw Spidey and hit Him, etc. But yet, I don't want the Lizard to be so bad that He kills His Son or Wife by accident. Sure Dr. Connors can lose control of the Lizard, but as long as Dr. Connors is sympathetic like in the Comics and that He doesn't want to be the Lizard. I also agree that there shouldn't be any deep and violent cuts or anything like that. I say, make it so that there is cuts but not extremley violent ones. They have to make it realistic but not to the point where it's an R rated Movie.

 

[Visionary]

^^Well I don't think we will ever be getting an R Spidey flick thus I try to think logically. I mean sure Lizard can bite and scratch and stuff but I don't see Sony letting him completly ravage somebody. I mean if Connors found out he killed people, he couldn't live with himself for Connor's character is completely sympathetic. Predator and Aliens are a different bread of sci-fi beast and started and belong in R territory. Lizard will be the first villian we get that is not in it for anything...he is just an animal. I think this change is much needed. He isn't out to get anybody...he just defends himself from what he sees as threats from Spider-Man and Kraven. But I think we can ultimately rule out bloody Lizard tyrades in NYC from a logical standpoint.

You're right, damn I wish you we're wrong.

However, I do want The Lizard to hate humans, that's something that's also needed. With my luck, he'll probably steal candy bars to give to children.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

^^Well I don't think we will ever be getting an R Spidey flick thus I try to think logically. I mean sure Lizard can bite and scratch and stuff but I don't see Sony letting him completly ravage somebody. I mean if Connors found out he killed people, he couldn't live with himself for Connor's character is completely sympathetic. Predator and Aliens are a different bread of sci-fi beast and started and belong in R territory. Lizard will be the first villian we get that is not in it for anything...he is just an animal. I think this change is much needed. He isn't out to get anybody...he just defends himself from what he sees as threats from Spider-Man and Kraven. But I think we can ultimately rule out bloody Lizard tyrades in NYC from a logical standpoint.

Well, I don't think that Lizard should be a constant killing machine anyway. It wouldn't make sense. Lizards aren't that aggressive anyway. He should definitely kill sometimes, but not randomly. I mean, Doc Ock and Green Goblin killed people. They just couldn't show it onscreen.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, I don't think that Lizard should be a constant killing machine anyway. It wouldn't make sense. Lizards aren't that aggressive anyway. He should definitely kill sometimes, but not randomly. I mean, Doc Ock and Green Goblin killed people. They just couldn't show it onscreen.

yeah, and like chaseter said, the Lizard has no goal but to attack anything that He see's as a threat. He will see Spidey as a threat. And if the cops try to shoot at Him then maybe Spidey could tell them to stop or the Lizard could hit them with His tail. We also should see the Lizard express his strength in Spidey4, like He did in the Comics.

 

[Grievous]

Lizard does not need to kill humans like that but needs to think that Lizards should rule the Earth.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

Lizard does not need to kill humans like that but needs to think that Lizards should rule the Earth.

I always that the whole "Reptilian Supremacy" angle was a bit cheesy and wouldn't really work in a movie. I don't think the Lizard should have that level of awareness... Connors' lucidity and control should gradually decrease as he becomes more reptilian, but I don't think at any point he should be like a "supervillain" who wants lizards to control the world.

 

[chaseter]

I always that the whole "Reptilian Supremacy" angle was a bit cheesy and wouldn't really work in a movie. I don't think the Lizard should have that level of awareness... Connors' lucidity and control should gradually decrease as he becomes more reptilian, but I don't think at any point he should be like a "supervillain" who wants lizards to control the world.

Agreed...the lizard dna affects his own to make himself have reptilian characteristics. No lizard on earth has world domination set in his sights. If the Lizard was lucid enough to have plans for world domination and to scientifically create a race of super lizards, then he would have the control to know who his wife, kid, Peter, etc...are and that they present no harm...it is cheesy and shouldn't happen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, the whole "Lizards should rule the Earth!" angle needs to be cut. Keep him an animalistic creature. Better film (and overall imo) version of the character.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Agreed...the lizard dna affects his own to make himself have reptilian characteristics. No lizard on earth has world domination set in his sights. If the Lizard was lucid enough to have plans for world domination and to scientifically create a race of super lizards, then he would have the control to know who his wife, kid, Peter, etc...are and that they present no harm...it is cheesy and shouldn't happen.

Yeah, I mean it works great in the Comics but on Film, I don't think it would. The Lizard needs to animalistic and be fast and mean when Him and Spidey fight. The "Reptillian Supremacy" just isn't going to work for a Spidey Film. the Animalastic Lizard defenitley would work on Film though.

 

[BlackSuitSpidey]

If they keep him as an animalistic Lizard, that works for me.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Agreed. Also, I think that a third "sympathetic scientist" villain would have seemed repetitive after Spider-Man 1 & 2. I think it was good to have that formula break in there.

I don't see Norman as sympathetic. Octavius yes.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

I don't see Norman as sympathetic. Octavius yes.

True, but still, the audience would definitely notice the "middle aged scientist who fancies himself a mentor to Peter conducts some sort of dangerous experiment that goes wrong and turns him into a dangerous villain" formula repeating itself.

 

[pjspider1C]

^ I don't think the audience would care about the formula repeating itself. Each of the Die Hard movies had the same formula, it was just a larger scale with each sequel.

 

[Visionary]

Lizard does not need to kill humans like that but needs to think that Lizards should rule the Earth.

Yes, The Lizard needs to kill, this is what wild animals do. To keep the viciousness and intensity of the character, he must kill, or him and Spider-Man might as well have a tea party when they meet. Sure, I'd like it to be graphic killings, or at least explained in graphic details. But this is Marvel/Sony, they gaurd Spider-Man with happy-go-lucky kid gloves.

I always that the whole "Reptilian Supremacy" angle was a bit cheesy and wouldn't really work in a movie.

That's because it is cheesy and doesn't even work in the comics, so I know it won't work on screen. Like a wild animal in the woods, The Lizard should stalk his prey and kill it, and retreat underground (sewers) when he's out gunned and hunted (Kraven The Hunter) and fight like a killing machine when he is cornered by someone (Spider-Man).

This is how I see The Lizard working on all levels, there's nothing cute or kid-friendly about how I see The Lizard. Unfortunately, this won't be the same for Marvel/Sony.

 

[al_ien5000]

Here are a couple of micro heroes I made based on what I think Lizard should look like. Let me know what you think.(Spider-Man is not mine, though)

 

[Spider-Vader]

Pretty cool!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Here are a couple of micro heroes I made based on what I think Lizard should look like. Let me know what you think.(Spider-Man is not mine, though)They are awesome. The only thing I have a problem with is His

They are awesome. The only thing I have a problem with is His size and legs and hands. His legs should be normal but scaly, His hands should be smaller, His size should be like it was in the Comics. The face is awesome and so is everything else. I also love the clothes on Dr. Connors as well.

 

[al_ien5000]

Thanks Spider-Vader! Spidermanhero12,I appreciate the I wanted him to look larger than life and a real force to be reckoned with, much like the pic featured earlier in the thread.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Thanks Spider-Vader! Spidermanhero12,I appreciate the I wanted him to look larger than life and a real force to be reckoned with, much like the pic featured earlier in the thread.

Don't get me wrong, the larger Lizard looks great. It's just that, I can't picture the Lizard as big as that on Film. Here is some of the looks of the Lizard I would love to see on Film.

And more. Remember that picture of the Lizard statue I posted? as I said befor, the statue of the Lizard look would defenitley work.

 

[al_ien5000]

That was funny. I agree, but also if Kraven is in the movie, in my opinion, he would be great if physically imposing to both Spidey and Kraven.

 

[SlyDark Star]

Thanks Spider-Vader! Spidermanhero12,I appreciate the I wanted him to look larger than life and a real force to be reckoned with, much like the pic featured earlier in the thread.

That would be great but everytime I think of the Lizard on film I think of that funny picture of that raptor from Jurassic Park badly photoshopped on a man's body. I think the only convincing way to pull off a faithful Lizard is if Sony payed ILM to do the CGI.

 

[al_ien5000]

Let's just hope he doesn't look like this!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

That was funny. I agree, but also if Kraven is in the movie, in my opinion, he would be great if physically imposing to both Spidey and Kraven.

There was suppose to be a picture there lol. Well His size in the Comics was great and He was still a threat. He could still be a threat to Kraven and Spidey on Film with one of the looks I posted (I don't want Spidey and Kraven teaming up though. Spidey protecting the Lizard from Kraven would work).

 

[al_ien5000]

That's what I meant. Never, ever have them team up!

 

[weezerspider]

Let's just hope he doesn't look like this!

That looks amazing!