Days of Future Past The Official X-Men: First Class Box Office Discussion Thread! - Part 1

[Superhero 101]

I Say
Domestic 140
Foreign: 180

Total WW $320 Million

 

[josh8]

I Say
Domestic 140
Foreign: 180

Total WW $320 Million

You might be close with the domestic, but the foreign gross will already be $175 million by Monday.

 

[danoyse]

I could have lived without Star Trek - I have absolutely ZERO desire to see anyone other than the classic cast in those roles. If I want to watch Star Trek, I already have 6 movies and a TV show. I have no need or want to watch JJ Abrams (or anyone else) "freshen up" the story with some "new take" - and I haven't watched True Grit nor do I plan to. If I want to watch True Grit, it already existed. I don't need to see it again.

Oh for god's sake, Nell...

 

[Angamb]

Thanks for joining the bet, guys!!!! I really appreciate it

Here is the updated list:

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SHBoard 'First Class BOXOFFICE' BET


Angamb:
- This Weekend: $300M Worldwide. Next weekend: $310M
- Domestic: $150M. Foreign: $200M
- Final WW BO: $350M

Superhero 101
-Domestic 140
-Foreign: 180
- Total WW $320 Million

Josh8
-Domestic: $150 million
-Foreign: $195 million
-Total WW: $345 million



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[Nell2ThaIzzay]

n/m

 

[josh8]

Thursday B.O.

$1,429,727

+2.9% from Wednesday.

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well some critze me for not praising Casino Royale.As I have said numerour times Bond has become a ripoff of jason Bourne.

As I fan of Original Battlestar Galactica I hate the reimaged version with a Passion.

Hell I am surprised some don't praise the new Trek by bashing the orignial with I have had to consently hear about the originial.It's funny how the reimaged version pissed
all over the original yet fans of reimaged want Bryan Singer If he gets his remake off the ground to be respectable of the reimaged version.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Thursday B.O.

$1,429,727

+2.9% from Wednesday.

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

It's up to 126 Million domesticly but during the week fell to 5th Place.
First Class will probally drop out of top 5 this weekend.

 

[Angamb]

if it gets 150M domestically, I dont care if it will drop out top 5 or not, hehe

 

[Sweet Xstacy]

Apparently I was wrong about it losing theaters this quickly. It's losing over 700 theaters this weekend. So getting to 150m will be tough. Hopefully it will stabilize and see smaller drops for the next couple of weeks.

 

[Sweet Xstacy]

It's up to 126 Million domesticly but during the week fell to 5th Place.
First Class will probally drop out of top 5 this weekend.

Doesn't matter what place it's in. The important thing is that it stabilizes and the percertage drops get smaller. It can sit at #7 like Bridesmaids and still make money. Not saying that it will perform like that at all. Just saying as a for instance.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well some critze me for not praising Casino Royale.As I have said numerour times Bond has become a ripoff of jason Bourne.

As I fan of Original Battlestar Galactica I hate the reimaged version with a Passion.

Hell I am surprised some don't praise the new Trek by bashing the orignial with I have had to consently hear about the originial.It's funny how the reimaged version pissed
all over the original yet fans of reimaged want Bryan Singer If he gets his remake off the ground to be respectable of the reimaged version.

The reason why Casino Royale worked is that it avoided being Bourne.

I personally don't understand much of the love for the Original Battlestar Galactica.

 

[Genosha]

Are people open to rebooting the Star Wars films at some point?
Or how about Indiana Jones? Or Back to the Future? (obviously a child of the 80's, lol)

I really don't like going through a franchise over again. Loved the first 2 Superman films. Classics. Don't need to see that story be retold again and again. Even though getting Crowe for it is very cool.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Are people open to rebooting the Star Wars films at some point?
Or how about Indiana Jones? Or Back to the Future? (obviously a child of the 80's, lol)

I really don't like going through a franchise over again. Loved the first 2 Superman films. Classics. Don't need to see that story be retold again and again. Even though getting Crowe for it is very cool.

That's exactly my point.

Let the movies stand for themselves. If they aren't great, then so be it. And if they are, then they don't need to be touched anyways. Unfortunately, I can totally see "reboots" happening of those franchises.

But apparently there's some problem with not wanting to see a "new take" on an old story.

 

[BMM]

Not that there’s not a point to be made, but I don’t consider literary characters who have decades worth of material prior to their big screen debuts the same as original characters created for the big screen. There’s a difference between the two. Moreover, I find it kind of silly that we’re calling reboots lacking in creativity, when we’re in a forum dedicated to films whose existence is dependent upon characters and storylines being taken from another medium.

 

[By your Command]

Reboots will always happen, some are good, some are bad, and it's better to watch them (cause some are really really good, if not better) and hate them, than to just hate them for being reboots. If we all really think about it, the superhero genre as a whole is a reboot of the greek gods, which if you ask me was badly rebooted by the romans before.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Adaptation =/= reboot. Adapting from one medium to another is a completely different thing.

And I am not in agreement that reboots are better. I don't see how the new Star Trek was in any way better than any of the original movies. I don't see how Casino Royale - which I don't even consider a "reboot", but many do - was better than the other Bond movies. And X-Men: First Class - which isn't even a reboot but many people are trying to force it into such a classification due to what I consider to be a rather unjustified hatred of X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine - while a great movie isn't anything significantly better than the rest of the series. I'm not even certain it's the best of the series.

If you're going to reboot something, then as far as I'm concerned you are already raising the bar for yourself. You better do a damned good job at justifying your existence, when I already have movies on your fiction. You better not just be "as good as" what you're rebooting, or "slightly better", you better be a whole hell of a lot better than what came before.

As much as I feel these movies are over rated, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight = incredibly better than Batman - Batman & Robin, none of those 4 movies I think are really any good. The Punisher (Thomas Jane) I feel is incredibly better than The Punisher (Dolph Lundgren). Although, Punisher: War Zone certainly isn't better than The Punisher (Thomas Jane) - in fact it is way worse.

I didn't feel that the recent Star Trek was any better than the original ones, at least not as a whole. And while it was better than an individual installment here or there, it wasn't a better take on the franchise in the least bit. Not as far as I was concerned. Was it a good movie? Sure. Was it so much better than it justified itself? Not particularly. The only plot points that even really stand out in my mind were that it at least attempted to connect itself to the originals with it's alternate reality stuff. Casino Royale (which again I don't even see as a reboot) was certainly better than certain installments of the Bond series, but on the whole wasn't some whole new take that was so much better than the others that it justified being a reboot. In my eyes it was just another Bond movie - it was just among the better tier of Bond movies.

In my eyes, if you're gonna reboot, you better damned well justify yourself by being something more than just "a new take". You better go WAY above and beyond what came before you, otherwise, what was the damn point? Just make a sequel if you're essentially going to do the same thing, just in a slightly different way.

Basically, I feel if you're going to reboot, you better be taking something that was previously irrelevant in the film medium (The Punisher, what Batman had become) and make it relevant. Spiderman, X-Men, Bond, Star Trek - all that stuff was relevant, and these so called reboots (or calls for reboots) are not going to make these franchises anymore relevant. People may see them, but it's not going to draw anymore attention or be any more successful than a sequel would.

In fact, I think X-Men: First Class is my case -against- reboots, because it shows that a franchise which, in the eyes of many, at least fans, is a franchise which is "dying, can be revitalized and made relevant again with a sequel - or in this case, prequel - that is set in and exists within the same universe, and doesn't need to "reboot" in order to regain relevance.

 

[By your Command]

While reboot may be a fancy word that sometimes means exactly that, and sometimes it doesn't. You have to take into account that you can only make so many sequels every three years before somethings start to fall apart. It's a lesson that has already been learned on TV.

You can make infinite sequels of a story but eventually you'll have to recast to keep the same character going on, and people don't take recasting with a smile and continue on with their lives, recasting is a very dangerous move in any production that most of the times doesn't pay off.

You can continue stories forever if you just keep life going on and teams of people changing, but then you have a "The new generation" or "The college years" situation, cause they are not the same characters you fell in love in the first place, it's a new batch and maybe an old character to throw in the mix for the sake of nostalgia, like the other one most of the time it doesn't work.

The reboot strategie works because it keeps the old characters but they all have new faces so comparisons of chemistry within the characters won't start the minute the story begins, also it's the same story that worked before but with a new spin so it isn't exactly repetitive. I don't see it as a horrible Hollywood aberration, I see it as appreciation of a great story, it's like reading a book more than once, and wanting a nice discussion of what makes it work, or a parody of it. But I completely see your point. Except for the "Batman Begins" being better than "Batman Returns", that I don't understand to this day.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Reboots should only happen after a Mejor disaster(Batman and Robin) not when the films
are successful but fanboys complan(Die Another Day,Superman Returns,SPider-Man 3)
and they should have a long peroid of them gone and bring In a new creative team(Batman Begins,Star Trek) not keep the team that approved the film people ***** about
(Casino Royale,The Amazing Spider-Man)

They should be waiting for a new Superman Live action contuinty with Superman returns out five years ago and Smallville just ended.Of course the reason Is Warner Brothers has
to quickly make a Superman film to keep the Superman film rights.And now they may be forced to stick to this contunity or else they will have legal troubles with keeping Superman.Man of Steel IS going to be Superman Begins.

With James Bond Casino royale a reboot Is correct word since you really can't watch the
Daniel Craig films with the other Bond films.In the past when you change actors you could see It as series just contuning.You can't do that anymore.

It remains to be seen If The Amazing SPider-Man will be any better than the Rami Trilogy.

Fox IS taking a story to reboot Daredevil that would work as a Sequel to Daredevil.

X-Men First Class was always designed at least as Prequel to X-Men and X2(and perhapes Last Stand as well) even worse I have heard on these boards people advocating The Wolverine In one Contunity,First Class sequels In a different contunity,
Deadpool In yet another one and X4/X5 In even another.

I don't view Star Trek as reboot.It was creation of alternate history caused by time travel.A reboot means nothing that happened before happened.It's far easyier to view Star Trek as part of same series than It Is Casino Royale.

I don't like the Idea of rebooting Buffy The Vampire Slayer.And this would only use the terrable movie and not anything from the series that wasn't In the film.

 

[By your Command]

I don't like the Idea of rebooting Buffy The Vampire Slayer.And this would only use the terrable movie and not anything from the series that wasn't In the film.

I agree with lots of the things you said, but as a huge fan of Buffy, Buffy canon has gone overboard, I don't think Joss Whedon even knows what made Buffy interesting in the first place, season 8 it's just ridiculous, and season 9 will just beat the story to a pulp, he really, really needs to stop.

On the "Buffy" movie that ignores everything it's a bad idea, except if they cast Kristen Bell as Buffy.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

marvelrobbins, I think you and I have roughly the same views towards reboots (except I dont consider Casino Royale any more of a reboot than GoldenEye was). And that was the main thing that stuck out to me with Star Trek that while maybe being a reboot in spirit, it was essentially a new story in the same mythos that allowed itself to go in a new direction via the plot it had. Its hard to call it a true and true reboot when its basically saying "yes these events did happen, but here is a plot that allows this new take to exist at the same time as the old ones".

By Your Command, I get what your saying, and if you understand my point then there's no reason for me to continue arguing. We both obviously have our own opinions

I get what you're saying, my view has always been though that from a creative standpoint, its okay for a fictional universe to end. From a business standpoint I certainly understand why they continue, and thus reboots happen, but im also a firm believer that business and creativity often dont go hand in hand.

X-Men is in a unique position of having hundreds of characters that you can continue the universe with without having to "reboot", whereas Spiderman, Batman etc. is much more limited. But also in keeping with my "its okay for fiction to end" thought process, I wouldn't be disappointed if there was never another X-Men movie. I got my movies, im happy to see 5 movies based on my favorite fiction universe. Hell I was just happy to get one. When X-Men came out, I was certainly glad they made a sequel, but I didn't feel entitled to it. I was happy just to get the one. X2 was just a very nice bonus and then obviously everything that followed.

But this is the box office thread. I see your point, and you see mine, we just disagree. That's cool. As emotional as I sound about all this, at the end of the day its just movies. If we get reboots or no reboots, I will experience my satisfaction or disappointment accordingly but at the end of the day life will move on.

 

[By your Command]

^That's just a really great post Nell2ThaIzzay, I sincerely mean it, it was a great read, and it's a very interesting way to see the superhero movie business and what every change really means to us the fans.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's just way too hard to view Casino Royale with other films with Goldeneye you could
view it as contuning.If some attempt had been made despite TV ads to blur the line
like recasting M and not having Felix Leiter(well to be fair If they wouldn't have put him
In Quontum of Solace It would have helped) and avoiding 911 references.Look the bond
films have always had a very loose contunity but Casino royale threw any Contunity the films had out the door.

I realize what Is said about Buffy.I personally wish more effort had been put with Angel.Buffy had an ending on TV.Considering Angel Seasons 3-5 were better than final 2 seasons of Buffy that Is what should have been focused on In the comics.Instead they put Angel through the mudd to do Twillight storyline.

It will be Intresting to see how far the drop will be for Green Lantern.It had been dropping on every weekday.If First Class makes 6 Million this weekend that will be good
news.It would bring domestic gross to 132 Million the amount the Hulk did.It would mean the chances are good for It to go 140-145 Million.At very least getting to the 140 Million budget.If It hits 200 Million In foreign Box Office It will be second highest grossing X-Men film overseas.First Class will be least sucessful film domesticly but If It can hit what It cost to make domesticly and ecomes second highest grossing film In series overseas then FOx can approve sequel without some saying why

 

[By your Command]

It's just way too hard to view Casino Royale with other films with Goldeneye you could
view it as contuning.If some attempt had been made despite TV ads to blur the line
like recasting M and not having Felix Leiter(well to be fair If they wouldn't have put him
In Quontum of Solace It would have helped) and avoiding 911 references.Look the bond
films have always had a very loose contunity but Casino royale threw any Contunity the films had out the door.

I realize what Is said about Buffy.I personally wish more effort had been put with Angel.Buffy had an ending on TV.Considering Angel Seasons 3-5 were better than final 2 seasons of Buffy that Is what should have been focused on In the comics.Instead they put Angel through the mudd to do Twillight storyline.

It will be Intresting to see how far the drop will be for Green Lantern.It had been dropping on every weekday.If First Class makes 6 Million this weekend that will be good
news.It would bring domestic gross to 132 Million the amount the Hulk did.It would mean the chances are good for It to go 140-145 Million.At very least getting to the 140 Million budget.If It hits 200 Million In foreign Box Office It will be second highest grossing X-Men film overseas.First Class will be least sucessful film domesticly but If It can hit what It cost to make domesticly and ecomes second highest grossing film In series overseas then FOx can approve sequel without some saying why

Oh they'll greenlight it soon, I really think so.

And yeah, the Twilight thing, even the aftermath of that with no Giles, it's such a smack in the face for two great shows, the fact that this is what the mastermind behind these great characters would hace done if he had the resources and budget to do it scares me each and every day that passes. Marti Noxon I regret everything I said about you during the last two seasons of Buffy, you really were the smart one in that duo.

$150 Mil or bust!

 

[JP]

7 mill this weekend according to Deadline. Should be at $140m after next weekend.