Days of Future Past The Official X-Men: First Class Box Office Discussion Thread! - Part 1

[craigdbfan]

People forget the context of the new X-Men film. It wasn't meant to break records or be the biggest superhero film of the summer. If Fox wanted that they would have made another Wolverine project with happy meals, action figures, bath towels and all the other merchandise that goes with these films along with a post conversin 3D release. They were trying to revitalize the property with a serious, adult oriented tone; a complete 180 from the last two films. Making a big profit would definitely be a well received pay off but that wasn't the intent.

That is the major difference between GL and XFC, and that's why XFC is NOT a failure in the eyes of it's studio where as GL is to WB.

Perfectly said.

 

[henzINNIT]

2012
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers
The Amazing Spider-Man
Man of Steel

2013
Iron Man 3

I don't think you should get exhausted.

2009 and 2010 only had 1 Marvel comic-book movie and DC didn't release any superhero film that was an adaptation of a character that appeared in the Justice League comics.

Ehh.. Of that list, I'm only interested in TDKR. I will see Avengers because of Whedon's involvement, and IM3 if it reviews well.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

- Big-time reboots like Spidey will fly with the general audience (I won't be there)

Actually Spider-Man is in the same position as X-Men, Shrek and Pirates. It's coming off a widely unpopular movie, they're replacing everyone (who the general public loved and accepted in those roles) and doing a new origin story.

It's going to under-perform.

 

[akfj]

2012
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers
The Amazing Spider-Man
Man of Steel

2013
Iron Man 3

I guess The Wolverine will be somewhere in this schedule as well.

 

[chaseter]

Actually Spider-Man is in the same position as X-Men, Shrek and Pirates. It's coming off a widely unpopular movie, they're replacing everyone (who the general public loved and accepted in those roles) and doing a new origin story.

It's going to under-perform.

Yup. I don't think the new Spider-Man will get close to the box office that any of the previous three did. The most imo it has a chance at reaching if it is a great film is 300 million. I think it will land somewhere around 275 domestic.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

There is nothing wrong with the concept behind reboots. It is a simple way to allow freedom to the new creative. The problem is handing over such material to bad creative.

I think that's a cop out.

If it's about creative freedom, then why ever make sequels at all? Because sequels just lock you up into fitting your story into a pre-existing world.

Just reboot it everytime you want to make a new movie. We don't need Spiderman 2 or Spiderman 3, or The Dark Knight. Sequels limit creative freedom. Just reboot them everytime.

I despise the very idea of reboots. I don't give a crap about seeing a "new take" on Star Trek. That damn franchise has stood on it's own since what, the 60's? Now all of a sudden someone comes in and thinks it's time to "freshen it up"??? Boo.

Go away reboots. I don't want you anywhere near my X-Men.

 

[JP]

That just seems entirely narrow minded.


Anyway... box office.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think that's a cop out.

If it's about creative freedom, then why ever make sequels at all? Because sequels just lock you up into fitting your story into a pre-existing world.

Just reboot it everytime you want to make a new movie. We don't need Spiderman 2 or Spiderman 3, or The Dark Knight. Sequels limit creative freedom. Just reboot them everytime.

I despise the very idea of reboots. I don't give a crap about seeing a "new take" on Star Trek. That damn franchise has stood on it's own since what, the 60's? Now all of a sudden someone comes in and thinks it's time to "freshen it up"??? Boo.

Go away reboots. I don't want you anywhere near my X-Men.

You do realize that "The Dark Knight" never exist if Nolan hadn't rebooted with "Batman Begins" right? Thank you for destroying your own argument. t:

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You do realize that "The Dark Knight" never exist if Nolan hadn't rebooted with "Batman Begins" right? Thank you for destroying your own argument. t:

The Dark Knight never existing wouldn't particularly hurt my feelings. I've seen it like once, and have never had an urge to watch it again.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The point he was trying to make If with the reboot craze you just reboot everytime Instead of sequel why do sequel to batman Begins when you could just reboot.

For 40 years the james Bond franchise was able to just keep going Instead of countless rebooting.When The Man with Golden Gun underperformed they didn't reboot they made better film with The Spy who loved me.After Moonraker they were able to do a more down to earth film with For Your Eyes Only and did It keeping Roger Moore.

 

[Figs]

I think that's a cop out.

If it's about creative freedom, then why ever make sequels at all? Because sequels just lock you up into fitting your story into a pre-existing world.

Just reboot it everytime you want to make a new movie. We don't need Spiderman 2 or Spiderman 3, or The Dark Knight. Sequels limit creative freedom. Just reboot them everytime.

I despise the very idea of reboots. I don't give a crap about seeing a "new take" on Star Trek. That damn franchise has stood on it's own since what, the 60's? Now all of a sudden someone comes in and thinks it's time to "freshen it up"??? Boo.

Go away reboots. I don't want you anywhere near my X-Men.

By this logic Nell, you wouldn't be getting anymore comic films ever. Think about it. Say the new Spider-Man film does terrible and any future films get put on hold for say, 8-10 years. The only choice they have after all those years is to get a new cast...which would technically make it a reboot(just because they don't redo the origin doesn't really mean it's not a reboot when you have an entirely new creative team/cast). From what it sounds like, if they can't keep getting the same cast over and over again to keep it from being a reboot, you won't give two ****s about that new redo, which means you'll technically be permanently done with comic films.

Correct me if I'm wrong of course.

I'm guessing Wednesday's numbers are around 1.2 mil.

 

[henzINNIT]

It's extreme and ridiculous to cry foul of Rebooting if you consider Batman Begins a good and necessary film (which it is).

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

By this logic Nell, you wouldn't be getting anymore comic films ever. Think about it. Say the new Spider-Man film does terrible and any future films get put on hold for say, 8-10 years. The only choice they have after all those years is to get a new cast...which would technically make it a reboot(just because they don't redo the origin doesn't really mean it's not a reboot when you have an entirely new creative team/cast). From what it sounds like, if they can't keep getting the same cast over and over again to keep it from being a reboot, you won't give two ****s about that new redo, which means you'll technically be permanently done with comic films.

Correct me if I'm wrong of course.

I'm guessing Wednesday's numbers are around 1.2 mil.

I mean honestly... if the movies have already been done, why do they need to be done again?

Batman? Okay I can accept Batman, I feel it's the exception to the rule. Batman is a huge character in American pop culture, has always been done and re-done, and always will be. I don't think that any of the original 4 films - Burton or Schumacher - were any good. Nolan didn't hit Batman how I like either, but it was certainly a hundred times better.

But even in 20 years, do I really need another series of Spiderman movies, or X-Men movies, or Fantastic Four movies, that is essentially going to be telling the same story over again? Or would I prefer them make a new movie series about something that hasn't been done already? I'm going with the latter. Not the former.

I can accept that -some- things are going to be remade for infinity, but does EVERYTHING need to be remade until the end of time? No. We didn't need a new Star Trek series. William Shatner is Kirk. Leonard Nimoy is Spock. I don't need to see new actors in these roles or see a new take. I really don't need to see a new X-Men series. I have my comics, my 90's cartoon, and now a 5 movie series that give me all the X-Men loving I would ever need.

And for the record, no, I don't collect comic book "reboots" either. I read Uncanny X-Men, and X-Men. Those titles tell the stories just fine. I don't care to see some "updated" take with Ultimate X-Men, or New X-Men, or whatever rebooted titles they put out there.

It's extreme and ridiculous to cry foul of Rebooting if you consider Batman Begins a good and necessary film (which it is).

Good? Eh. It's okay. Neither film was rather memorable to me outside of Ledger's performance as Joker. I let someone borrow my Batman Begins DVD like 2 years ago and I never asked for it back. I didn't even remember that it was gone until I was going through my DVD's the other day. I think Batman Begins was on TV, and that's the only reason why I even noticed it wasn't in my collection. My brother took me to see The Dark Knight in theatres, and I've never watched it since.

Necessary? Well, Batman is on another level than other comic book characters, so Batman will probably be redone until infinity. The other movies sucked royally, so Batman needed something of quality in the film format. I'd have lived without them though, so I guess it wasn't all that necessary to me.

What's all this have to do with the box office?

The fact that I have 4 vouchers for passes to see X-Men: First Class in theatres that I got when I bought my X-Men blu rays, and I have nobody to go with.

So there is about $48 worth of First Class vouchers out there that currently isn't contributing to the box office totals.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I think it will land somewhere around 275 domestic.

I'd go way lower than that.

 

[X-Maniac]

I guess The Wolverine will be somewhere in this schedule as well.

More than likely, but it's going to create the impression of superhero overload in 2012 to add Wolverine to Superman, Spider-Man, Batman and Avengers.

Fox's other releases in 2012 are Star Wars 3D, Prometheus, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter and the next Ice Age animated adventure.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I wouldn't take this comic book thing as a slowly dying fad as if we need to group them together as a single unit. There's so much more to it than that.

I mean, Iron Man was the definition of a cool, mainstream superhero movie. It was like the new Superman or Spider-Man movie that audiences WANTED to see. It looked cool, accessible, sexy, smart, and witty, it had great word of mouth, and it had recognizable actors in it.

Look at Thor, a much less accessible character with a much different kind of story and movie in general. The cast is not that exciting or recognizable, and word of mouth was mixed.

X-Men First Class, a no-brainer. X-Men has always had a slightly smaller spot among heroes like Spider-Man or Batman, so it was never destined to blow up at the box office. Again, no huge actors, no high expectations, a lot of fans and moviegoers with negative perceptions going in...

I really don't see comic book movies as fads at all, they're just a new breed of film, each with their own audiences. We shouldn't always expect every single big superhero movies to make a bazillion dollars just because they're superhero movies.

 

[Electrix]

Wednesday

$1,388,807

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2011-06-22&p=.htm

 

[MARVEL ROCKS]

Wednesday

$1,388,807

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2011-06-22&p=.htm

approximately 3.3m behind X1.

It will be tough to crack 150m because of Transformers 3, Harry Potter and Captain America.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Actually Spider-Man is in the same position as X-Men, Shrek and Pirates. It's coming off a widely unpopular movie, they're replacing everyone (who the general public loved and accepted in those roles) and doing a new origin story.

It's going to under-perform.

You could very well be right. Actually, now that you say it like this, I'm starting to think this will happen.

Plus, TDKR is coming out a few weeks later. And that will kill everything in its path.

 

[danoyse]

Actually Spider-Man is in the same position as X-Men, Shrek and Pirates. It's coming off a widely unpopular movie, they're replacing everyone (who the general public loved and accepted in those roles) and doing a new origin story.

It's going to under-perform.

Agreed.

I mentioned to my friend's son that there's a new Spiderman movie coming out in 3D next summer. He said "Spiderman 4?!?!?!"

And then I had to explain that no, they're basically doing Spiderman 1 all over again. He didn't understand that at all. Honestly, I couldn't explain why they were doing that either.

If a 7-year-old is utterly baffled at why we need to re-do Spiderman again so soon, I think most of the grownup audience will be thinking the same thing.

 

[Angamb]

Ok, guys.

Ive looked at final boxoffice of all the X-men movies and since this exact point in their run in theatres after the final numbers... ALL got +$30M domestically, except X2 who got +$37.

-> Link: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=vs-xmen.htm

So if we assume First Class gets around +$30M too, it will get:

$154M domestically.


And if it has decent legs like X2, it can get more!

Ill be happy and confident with that number.

 

[JP]

Well then, I'm going to stay modest and say it gets another $25, and end at $150ish.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Let's look closely at some Superhero franchises.

Superman-Superman Returns just came out 5 years ago and Smallville just
ended.Fanboys don't want to accept It but the General audence liked
Superman Returns.It made 391 Million worldwide.Sorry but that says some
people actully enjoyed It.It sold well on DVD.Both Tom Welling and Brandon
Routh have fans wanting them to continue as Superman(Ok Tom has more
people than Routh wanting him to play Superman) Zack Snyder doesn't gurantee a blockbuster.Sucker Punch bombed and First Class will do better
than Watchmen domesticly.And having Chris Nolan Involved doesn't gurantee
a blockbuster.He had Christan Bale and Hugh jackman In The Prestage and It bombed.

Batman-Warner Brothers Is already telling people It plans to reboot after
The Dark Knight Rises.And If The Dark Knight Rises Is a hugh sucess anyone who thinks they will wait another 9 years like they did after Batman and Robin
they are crazy.And If Man of Steel underperforms they won't waste time.

Spider-Man-SPider-Man 3 was a huge world wide box office smash In 2007.Come 2012 they will release a reboot when the past films are fresh In people's minds.And It remains to be seen If they are any better quality wise
than Sam Rami's films.

Casino ROyale with Bond was able to blur the line.Many In General audence simply took It as showing you the origin of Bond.Which some ads even saying that outright.

STudios If they want a series needs to think smarter.The alternate reality
Star Trek will only last 3 Films.William Shatner,Leonard Nimoy,and the rest
of Original cast did 6 films.The new cast will almost certianly not stay beyond 3 films.Also consider with all the pussyfooting around the the producers have been doing it could be May 2013 till the next Star Trek film IS out.Iron Man 3 Is being written with a February start date planned.J.J. Abrams still hasn't committed to direct and they only have a 70 to 80 page outline and no firm start date.Reboots don't always guarantee success.The Incredible Hulk did 3 Million more domesticly than Hulk.The Punisher War Zone bombed.They rebooted jack Ryan with the Sum of all fears when Harrison Ford didn't want to do film with nuclear bomb blowing up sports event and now they are planning to reboot yet again.

 

[chaseter]

I'd go way lower than that.

Ack

 

[Angamb]

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