BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[The Guard]

I find that hard to believe, his teeth are all messed up for a reason.

It's a big one. Why could he kill a thug but not the Joker? It would solve all his problems.

Doesn't matter, he slaughtered more than a few people this movie without hesitation. He shouldn't have a problem taking out the Joker next time he sees him. Not this Batman.

Why doesn't society kill The Joker?

 

[Poni_Boy]

So.....you are pleased that Batman is portrayed as a "sick bastard"?

You were happy that [BLACKOUT]Batman beat the "piss" out of Superman?[/BLACKOUT]

You do realize [BLACKOUT]there is a difference between beating a murderous villian to a pulp and beating a good guy hero who saved the world to a pulp...don't you?[/BLACKOUT]

What were we saying yesterday about selfishness?

 

[Mysteryman]

I find that hard to believe, his teeth are all messed up for a reason.

It's a big one. Why could he kill a thug but not the Joker? It would solve all his problems.

Doesn't matter, he slaughtered more than a few people this movie without hesitation. He shouldn't have a problem taking out the Joker next time he sees him. Not this Batman.

Killing The joker would probably deepen his psychological problems.
If he is willing to kill his greatest enemy then it is open season on any new foes that might encounter in the future, especially those that he felt rose to the joker's level.

 

[metaphysician]

No. Other directors have had flops and continue to work. He'd have to have a succession of flops...like M. Night or be a pain in the butt to work with before he gets blackballed. As his Batman can attest to...just because you are down doesn't mean you can't get back up.

And even then, Shyamalan still got work, just lower profile work that didn't emphasize the director. You have to do more than just direct a flop to "never work in this town again." You need something like Josh Trank's complete meltdown, wherein any future employer has to consider the probability that you'll self-destruct publicly during a future project.

 

[Mysteryman]

Not to mention the fact that what Trank did with that tweet was basically throw his cast and crew under the bus.

Snyder just made a movie that some people didn't like.

Happens all of the time in Hollywood.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Killing The joker would probably deepen his psychological problems.
If he is willing to kill his greatest enemy then it is open season on any new foes that might encounter in the future, especially those that he felt rose to the joker's level.

It's the other way around, the moment he decides to kill, the Joker will be the first guy he whacks

The fact that he mowing down random thugs means the problem is a LOT deeper

 

[TheFuture]

So.....you are pleased that Batman is portrayed as a "sick bastard"?

You were happy that [BLACKOUT]Batman beat the "piss" out of Superman?[/BLACKOUT]

You do realize [BLACKOUT]there is a difference between beating a murderous villian to a pulp and beating a good guy hero who saved the world to a pulp...don't you?[/BLACKOUT]

It's a controversial choice but honestly Affleck played it well, and I'm interested to see character go down this new avenue. The TDK trilogy focused heavily on the aspect of Bruce's philosophy. I don't need to see another franchise retreading the same ground.

Anyway, in regards to Snyder, I can't help but feel sorry for him. Having seen the film I can safely say the following statements I'veread do not ring true

Double the destruction than in MOS - the film is actually quite slow in tbe first hour or so, and when it does start it takes place in the abandoned port of Gotham. There's very little collateral damage and a low civilian count.

Non stop senseless action - as I said, Snyder is restrained enough in the action interspersed throughout the first two acts, with Superman saving Lois and Batman's pursuit of Lex's men being short and sweet. When the action does get heavy, it is not senseless and the two big guns do not waste time against each other. There's an actual very good and plausible reason for the fight.

Dull and boring - not for me, the runtime zipped by.

End is a downer and said as a negative - eh, so what? If the dramatic end is executed well, and it was in my opinion, then what's the problem? Or is there a prerequisite that I don't know about that states these type of films must end on a back slapping quiptastic note?

Considering the amount Zack had to stuff into this at the behest of WB he did unbelievably well, and I find it so frustrating to see the Snyder cliches being thrown at him. They are, in my opinion, absolutely not warranted and you'd swear some of these guys skipped the film and reviewed the trailers rather than the film.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I thought this was pretty funny on reddit
Affleck right now

 

[Harry Dresden]

Get rid of Snyder.

 

[DKDetective]

I thought this was pretty funny on reddit
Affleck right now

That's awesome. Some nice humour to lighten a grim situation (something which Simple Zack doesn't understand). Sadly, Afflecks cagey responses lately about his Batman solo film make me think he is going to jump ship if he can.

 

[Matt]

A thought on Simple Zack using a football metaphor:

He is Jim Caldwell! He clearly has no idea what he is doing, is completely oblivious to any mistake he makes and lacks any sense of self-awareness. He is self-assured that every move he makes is right (despite countless losses). He has no business doing the job he is doing but seems to stay there because the front office (Warners) also has no clue what they are doing.

 

[Kobra]

A thought on Simple Zack using a football metaphor:

He is Jim Caldwell! He clearly has no idea what he is doing, is completely oblivious to any mistake he makes and lacks any sense of self-awareness. He is self-assured that every move he makes is right (despite countless losses). He has no business doing the job he is doing but seems to stay there because the front office (Warners) also has no clue what they are doing.

He brought Superman back. He did what Singer couldn't. He must have done something right, since the majority enjoyed the movie and it made a nice profit. Let's not pretend that everything he does is pure crap.

 

[King K]

I think Snyder has to go and WB bring in someone else for JL 1&2. Keep Zimmer/Junkie XL.

 

[KangConquers]

DC has two really gifted directors in Patty Jenkins and David Ayer waiting in the wings, both who could make much better Justice League films than Snyder, and imbue the films with actually intelligence, rather than grim codpiece measuring.

 

[MaceB]

Doesn't matter, he slaughtered more than a few people this movie without hesitation. He shouldn't have a problem taking out the Joker next time he sees him. Not this Batman.

It does matter because you asked why he hasn't killed the Joker yet. I just gave you the most plausible explanation...being that he wasn't as bitter when he faced the joker last. Whether or not he kills the Joker in the future is besides the point.... and the movie would explain why he wouldn't in the future too since it was clear he underwent a paradigm shift throughout this film.

 

[kalhawj]

I do agreed that Zack will likely need to go if this move doesn't have any legs after this weekend. This movie could have easily been a huge BO hit if it was fresh with everyone. I for one enjoy this movie but it looks like the fans and critics does not want this direction.

 

[kalhawj]

DC has two really gifted directors in Patty Jenkins and David Ayer waiting in the wings, both who could make much better Justice League films than Snyder, and imbue the films with actually intelligence, rather than grim codpiece measuring.

If SS is hit, I prefer him to direct JL part one and JL part 2. Zack can just be a creative leader or producer.

 

[DKDetective]

I know you guys are trying to be optimistic and see a way forward, but Ayer and Jenkins are not good fits for Justice League. SS looks promising because Ayer is passionate about those characters and they match his dark and black humour sensibilities. Jenkins, while talented, is a gun for hire and it is up in the air if that will work out. We need someone with both talent and passion for these characters for Justice League.

 

[The Joker]

Sack him ASAP. He is crippling the potential of the DCCU.

 

[Batmannerism]

Hi folks,

After Watchmen and MOS I was firmly on team Snyder. I had great hopes for B v S, and while I didn't hate it I have to say I was underwhelmed. He seems to have forgotten everything that was good about MOS, but emphasized everything that was wrong with it - this time around he actually went with too little action (and for me, if he'd got the fights right, that would have been enough to make the movie great).

There are some very positive elements of B v S (Batman, WW and the lifts from Dark Knight Returns in particular) but it seems to me that Snyder, as the man who has to put those elements together has utterly failed to create a cohesive or compelling film here. All in all, there's a lot more wrong than right, and it's a big step backward from MOS.

I am not a Marvel fan, but last night I watched Avengers on TV, and was overwhelmed by how much more cohesive and better made it was than B v S ( you cannot imagine how painful it is for me to say this). When Joss Whedon does a better big action sequence than Zack Snyder, something's got to have gone wrong.

As the man who's most responsible for the creative vision of the film, he's the man who can either turn it around and make JL awesome, or totally ruin it. On the flip-side, I think Snyder should direct the next solo Batman film.

So where should DC/WB go from here ? Should he stay, should he go, should he move on from JL, should we even have this discussion ?

What do people think, because apparently this movie was made for fans (like me, I'm a massive Batman and Superman fan, I've been psyched about B v S for 2 years !) yet for every fan who seems to have liked it, there's one (maybe two) who didn't.

 

[DKDetective]

Sack him ASAP. He is crippling the potential of the DCCU.

He has the power to burn the whole place down. If there is even a 1% chance that he will direct Justice League, we must treat it as an absolute certainty and do everything in our power to take him out.

 

[The Joker]

He needs to go post haste.

Aside from the poor quality of BvS, some of the things he's been saying lately are asinine. Like his defense for all the criticism of BvS was he said he only knows how to do comic book aesthetic, so that's what he did. It takes more than nice aesthetics to make a good movie and a competent director should know that.

 

[Captain Tired]

Kick him into the backroom.

Don't lose him completely, but at the same time, don't let that man anywhere near the camera again.

 

[kalelvis]

I say keep him with the condition he keeps the story linear and doesn't edit out the connective tissues between scenes. The structural issues he creates by juggling time periods created the biggest criticisms in mos and bvs.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I just want to clarify, I dont dislike Zack Snyder. But Marvel's done a lot of good work never using the same director more than twice.

So bring in some new talent absolutely.