BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[Boom]

So I guess we can't expect too many serious conversations in Justice League.

Should be fun.

 

[Kobra]

Hard to spin something that's right there in the open.

I didn0t hear the interview so i won't comment on it. But i remember a while ago, when he said something about Marvel, Faraci or someone similar made a big deal out of it and took everything he said out of context just to cr*p on him. Then i saw a lot of people doing the same. The man just can't say anything without being called out on it. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys are misinterpreting him again just for the sake of having something new to hate on.

 

[-Arya-]

It seems like Snyder is burned out from making superhero movies. Hell, he's been doing it for many years. The guy needs to take a break from directing.

 

[Greens]

I didn0t hear the interview so i won't comment on it. But i remember a while ago, when he said something about Marvel, Faraci or someone similar made a big deal out of it and took everything he said out of context just to cr*p on him. Then i saw a lot of people doing the same. The man just can't say anything without being called out on it. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys are misinterpreting him again just for the sake of having something new to hate on.

I used to be a Snyder supporter but after BvS and the stupid things he's been saying I'm pretty much turning my back on him. He comes off as a man child. I could ignore it with MoS because I really enjoyed that one, but this time he doesn't have a good product to back up what he's saying.

 

[Plaidchuck]

He really pushes the deconstructing superheros thing.

 

[Kobra]

I used to be a Snyder supporter but after BvS and the stupid things he's been saying I'm pretty much turning my back on him. He comes off as a man child. I could ignore it with MoS because I really enjoyed that one, but this time he doesn't have a good product to back up what he's saying.

To back up what, exactly? What claims did he made about the movie?

 

[Greens]

To back up what, exactly? What claims did he made about the movie?

I'm saying that I could put up with his weirdness because I liked some of his movies, but my eyes have been opened to the fact that he's 100% the wrong choice for "godfathering" the DCEU. BvS didn't help.

 

[Kobra]

I'm saying that I could put up with his weirdness because I liked some of his movies, but my eyes have been opened to the fact that he's 100% the wrong choice for "godfathering" the DCEU. BvS didn't help.

I guess you didn't like BvS.

He is not the best guy to be in charge and he is certainly not the smartest guy around. Just hear his interviews and compare it with Nolan's. Worlds apart. I still don't agree that he is the hack so many people claim, but it's probably a good idea to take a look around and try to find new people. He already did his piece. I see no reason for someone to be responsible for so many movies, unless they're doing a remarkable job.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Snyder should become a cinematographer

 

[The Guard]

Seriously reaching here mate.

How?

 

[The Guard]

So I guess we can't expect too many serious conversations in Justice League.

Should be fun.

And again, he was speaking specifically about Batman and Supermans issues with each other. In the context of this film.

 

[Boom]

And again, he was speaking specifically about Batman and Supermans issues with each other. In the context of this film.

So what happens in JL when these characters discuss another serious issue? Will it be deemed too silly then, too?

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Which is why I've pointed out he's speaking about a specific issue between the two.



Batman and Joker...I assume you mean THE DARK KNIGHT? The scene where Joker says a whole, whole lot and Batman just kind of sits there and lets him rant with a few one liners and questions about where people are peppered in?

"You wanted me, here I am".
"Where's Dent?" (twice)
"Then why do you want to kill me?"
"You're garbage who kills for money"
"I have one rule"
"Which is?"
"I'm considering it".
"Where are they?"

The scene where Batman sits there silently for like, 85 percent of the scene and The Joker more or less discusses Batman ideology for him? That's not two characters discussing their ideologies in any real sense. That's one character discussing the other character's ideology. There are actually two scenes of this in the film. Batman barely says anything about his own ideology with The Joker.

And The Joker is one of the few characters who can get away with being wordy. Because he's pretty much nuts.

This is a joke right. Did he say conversation or debate, lol.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

"What say you Batman?"
"Well Joker, you've made some fine points..."

 

[BatLobster]

I think it's a bit random to hone in on THAT as an element that would be too silly. I mean, they embraced the Clark Kent glasses disguise fullstop, which is one of the most absurd things in comics.

Personally I think Snyder's initial instinct to have the "Heat" scene was the right one. It was one of the major things that I felt was missing from the film, a scene where the two of them really have a moment where we can see their ideologies clash in a satisfying way.

 

[The Guard]

So what happens in JL when these characters discuss another serious issue? Will it be deemed too silly then, too?

No. The people complaining about this have obviously missed Snyder's point.

He never said he found it silly for them to talk in costume. He said it would be silly to have them talk out their serious issues with each other in costume. He was specifically referring to Batman and Superman's issues with each other, IE the major problems they have with each other in BVS.

If you read between the lines, it's obvious that filmmakers wanted them to work out their aggressions via the fight.

I would imagine in a Justice League team environment, where they don't all hate each other, having some issues would not be so difficult to portray without it being quite so preachy.

But it's clear that this thinking informed the structure, which is why Clark airs his grievances with Batman to Perry, and Bruce to Alfred.

 

[jmc]

Having read more about it I kinda get what's Snyder is trying to say. Essentially if Bats and Supes talk it out there's no reason for them to fight. But that in and of itself exposes a flaw with this concept with two heroes fighting each other. Without a history between the two characters all you can really do is have them not interact. The problem of course is this leads to a conflict that has little at stake because you can't build the fight up properly. This concept doesn't work unless there's already history between the two characters, as I'm certain Civil War is about to show us in 3 weeks.

 

[Micromind]

I am sure Civil War is doing it right, there needs to be history between the characters like Steve Rogers and Tony Stark, their different ideologies, conflict of interest, different loyalties etc.

But, Batman and Superman (till Frank Miller's TDKR) were never really at the opposite ends, there was rarely friction or tension that warranted a big fight between the two, sure their methods are different and how they tackle problems is different, but there never was any kind of ideological, or legal cause present for them to fight like enemies.

Frank Miller presented Superman, who was ready to act as an agent for the authorities, take part in conflicts and stand with the Official position and act accordingly, which then lead to conflict with Batman, who was operating outside the law.

So, situation is a bit different when it comes to Batman V Superman as opposed to Marvel's Civil War, here more Superman gets to know Batman (and vice versa), less chance of them fighting each other.

For Superman and Batman to fight they need familiarity at superficial level, if there is an in depth understanding of each other, then them fighting makes no sense.

 

[Logan0327]

So what happens in JL when these characters discuss another serious issue? Will it be deemed too silly then, too?

they had no problem doing so in bvs so i see no problem

 

[DA_Champion]

What did Snyder say now?

 

[Lily Adler]

It's on the last page. He believes it becomes rather silly when heroes have deep conversations in costume.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..."
"... more than four or five lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."

https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder

If he doesn't believe in the costumed dialogue, he doesnt believe in the costume.

There's a reason Batman wears a suit. There's a reason Superman wears a suit. There's a reason Cap and Spidey and Iron Man wear a suit. That reason is part of what makes up who they are as characters.

On average, I don't hate your movies Snyder, but that was some poor ass phrasing.

 

[Leenie]

It's on the last page. He believes it becomes rather silly when heroes have deep conversations in costume.

What the f*** was Watchmen, then?

 

[matt47]

The producers aren't helping either...
Charles Roven said that his favorite scene is when Jesse shakes Clark's hand and puts on one of the most cliche superhero tropes.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I don't care what Synder say at this point. He has problems to speak clearly anyway.

Besides i don't think he'll be on helm long time. I heard him & Cavill wants to do another Superman movie... good luck with that if BvS can't reach a billion.

I'm not Snyder basher, i think he is a fine director at his own style but this DC universe doesn't seem good fit for him now.