The Piracy Threat...?

[The Apatow Crew]

I didn't have a job for a year and a half but that didn't mean i went out and stole everything i wanted. I did without it. As you people should instead of crying like a little baby who wants there bottle.

 

[teseract]

Well thats just to bad then. Deal without it.

You can always get what you need but you get what you need.


Be glad you have the stuff you have in your lifes other people have half the stuff you do.

Unacceptable.

And those people don't have to deal without it cause they get what they want after all if that means bending the rules or breaking them well not of my concern really.

What other people have or haven't doesn't interest me

and apparently a lot people feel like me too since fan sub groups are sprouting like fungus all over the web.

 

[BlackLantern]

And you see the differences there? They are all things that are physical in nature, not digital.

And yes I care about those laws, but I don't care about copyright laws, especially when an act of violating it doesn't result in a loss of revenue like in the example I have cited.

Yes when 100 people download a movie instead of buying it, it does affect revenue. When album sales in 10 years have gone from 711 million units sold to 235 million sold yes it does mean a LOSS in revenue....

 

[SouLeSS]

Didn't read anything in this thread and just came straight to reply.

Dude, the best way to get rid of all the pirates is ninjas. I mean seriously, a crew of pirates has nothing on a clan of ninjas.

Also, I thought pirates were extinct, like Jesus, The Tooth Fairy and Dinosaurs. What happened to that?

 

[teseract]

So if a guy wants your wallet and shoots you. Do you care then? Or are you just gonna strug it on and move on with your life?

Considering that my wallet and my body are physicals objects, pretty much unique in their make up and physical presence, not being able to be reproduced with pretty much no hassle. I'd say yes, I care, however, with digital Data things look differently.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

And you see the differences there? They are all things that are physical in nature, not digital.

And yes I care about those laws, but I don't care about copyright laws, especially when an act of violating it doesn't result in a loss of revenue like in the example I have cited.

Yes, simple-minded people seem incapable of understanding that intangible things like colors, the once in a life time tone of a guitar used by a certain man, during a certain decade, through a certain amp, on a certain drug, a story invented by someone, that NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH would've dreamed up, etc.....are FAR more valuable than physical things.

If you don't think so, imagine a world with no Art whatsoever, where there ARE no video games, songs or movies to steal.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Unacceptable.

And those people don't have to deal without it cause they get what they want after all if that means bending the rules or breaking them well not of my concern really.

What other people have or haven't doesn't interest me

and apparently a lot people feel like me too since fan sub groups are sprouting like fungus all over the web.

Well its just to bad there get over it. I'm sure they have more worse problesm then getting a tv show on dvd and if they don't thats pretty freaking pathetic and need to get a life!

I want a car but i'm not gonna steal one. So that means i should go steal one and then when i get caught should i say its Unacceptable i don't have a car.


Cars and Entertainment are luxarys. There not rights. Your not gonna die if you can't watch a movie.

 

[teseract]

Yes when 100 people download a movie instead of buying it, it does affect revenue. When album sales in 10 years have gone from 711 million units sold to 235 million sold yes it does mean a LOSS in revenue....

Not when said companies don't have a market in a country to begin with and if you would actually read what I write you would notice, that this is exactly the thing with Japanese Tv Dramas. There are not brought over here, they are not translated, the western world is of no interest to the Japanese market in that regard. Only badly pirated Hong Kong copies can be bought with english subtitles of them, however since those are also pirated you CAN'T get them legally.

 

[teseract]

Well its just to bad there get over it. I'm sure they have more worse problesm then getting a tv show on dvd and if they don't thats pretty freaking pathetic and need to get a life!

I want a car but i'm not gonna steal one. So that means i should go steal one and then when i get caught should i say its Unacceptable i don't have a car.


Cars and Entertainment are luxarys. There not rights. Your not gonna die if you can't watch a movie.

People don't care if they are luxuries or not, if they want them they get them, it's as easy as that. And if that means ripping Japanese TV shows, translating them and releasing them via file sharing then so be it. Considering that the Japanese don't care anyway or sue they won't get into trouble anyway.

 

[teseract]

Yes, simple-minded people seem incapable of understanding that intangible things like colors, the once in a life time tone of a guitar used by a certain man, during a certain decade, through a certain amp, on a certain drug, a story invented by someone, that NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH would've dreamed up, etc.....are FAR more valuable than physical things.

If you don't think so, imagine a world with no Art whatsoever, where there ARE no video games, songs or movies to steal.

No, quite honestly I don't consider them more valuable, especially if they are recorded and copied a hundred fold. They are certainly not unique then anymore. Besides, art is not bought up in a vacuum most art always referentiates to something earlier. Heck, most art wouldn't even exist if it didn't steal from something older. Especially in Music, Paintings, Movies and Literature.

Besides it's interesting, that you sing such an ode to the uniqueness of art yet seem to have no problem with people stealing and pirating on this very site when they draw pictures or write stories of Batman, Superman or Spider-Man. Those characters DON'T belong to them after all and normally, when you want to use them you have to pay a hefty sum, tell me, is that not stealing from DC, Marvel etc.?

 

[BlackLantern]

We aren't talking about Japanese TV....We are talking about American produced music and movies and copyright law (which is a federal offense in this country) so I apologize for misunderstanding your post....but who gives 2 flying ****s about Japanese Tv or drama????

 

[Kelly]

No, quite honestly I don't consider them more valuable, especially if they are recorded and copied a hundred fold. They are certainly not unique then anymore. Besides, art is not bought up in a vacuum most art always referentiates to something earlier. Heck, most art wouldn't even exist if it didn't steal from something older. Especially in Music, Paintings, Movies and Literature.

Nor do these people live off of air, or the people that work around them live off of dirt....

Just because its art, doesn't mean that the idea doesn't belong to someone.....

Weak argument.....very weak.

Bottomline.....you can twist and turn it all you want......

It is the law, and these people are breaking it......

 

[teseract]

We aren't talking about Japanese TV....We are talking about American produced music and movies and copyright law (which is a federal offense in this country) so I apologize for misunderstanding your post....but who gives 2 flying ****s about Japanese Tv or drama????

Well, obviously people who translate it and release it

But you're right, not even the Japanese Corporations give a flying **** about the fansubbers cause for them the non-asian market doesn't exist anyway. ^^

 

[The Apatow Crew]

People don't care if they are luxuries or not, if they want them they get them, it's as easy as that. And if that means ripping Japanese TV shows, translating them and releasing them via file sharing then so be it. Considering that the Japanese don't care anyway or sue they won't get into trouble anyway.

No your not gonna get it! And if you keep doing this stuff it just means your a spoiled brat who doesbn't give a damn about anyone else but themselfs! And i'm sure the people making this stuff care your being a crook!

There are tons of things in the world i want and i know i;'m not gonna get them but i leave with it. and the

 

[teseract]

Nor do these people live off of air, or the people that work around them live off of dirt....

Just because its art, doesn't mean that the idea doesn't belong to someone.....

Weak argument.....very weak.

Bottomline.....you can twist and turn it all you want......

It is the law, and these people are breaking it......

Considering that most artists were unable to make a living on their art alone through centuries consider me a little unimpressed by the "plight" of or modern artists.

I hope a lot of artists get at least a bad conciousness when they referentiate or use characters from lets say Homer or other classical works, be them literature, painting or music, after all it were not their ideas they are thieving on and they make plenty of cash by stealing from those earlier works.

As for Law and breaking it, so what? As long as it is for a good cause and doesn't directly hurt someone I couldn't care less.

 

[Figs]

Considering that most artists were unable to make a living on their art alone through centuries consider me a little unimpressed by the "plight" of or modern artists.

I hope a lot of artists get at least a bad conciousness when they referentiate or use characters from lets say Homer or other classical works, be them literature, painting or music, after all it were not their ideas they are thieving on and they make plenty of cash by stealing from those earlier works.

As for Law and breaking it, so what? As long as it is for a good cause and doesn't directly hurt someone I couldn't care less.

Example of what's in bold please. Stealing those ideas would be to use those characters in a manner which hinted that they created them and not the people who did many years ago.

 

[teseract]

No your not gonna get it! And if you keep doing this stuff it just means your a spoiled brat who doesbn't give a damn about anyone else but themselfs! And i'm sure the people making this stuff care your being a crook!

There are tons of things in the world i want and i know i;'m not gonna get them but i leave with it. and the

Actually, I don't say I do that stuff, did I? If I want to look at these fansubbed works I'd do it through sites similar to youtube, hehe.

Oh and yes, I don't give a damn, good observation

As for the people who make this stuff, no they don't really care cause they don't consider western countries to be a viable marked to begin with.

 

[Kelly]

Considering that most artists were unable to make a living on their art alone through centuries consider me a little unimpressed by the "plight" of or modern artists.

I hope a lot of artists get at least a bad conciousness when they referentiate or use characters from lets say Homer or other classical works, be them literature, painting or music, after all it were not their ideas they are thieving on and they make plenty of cash by stealing from those earlier works.

As for Law and breaking it, so what? As long as it is for a good cause and doesn't directly hurt someone I couldn't care less.

All of those that you mentioned are more than 75 years old, therefore the copyright is no longer valid....


Again, it comes down to the law....not weak arguments.

As far as your last sentence......WTF?????

good cause? what "cause"....lmao

doesn't hurt someone????....I guess you don't know someone laid off because of the money lost from piracy......

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Actually, I don't say I do that stuff, did I? If I want to look at these fansubbed works I'd do it through sites similar to youtube, hehe.

Oh and yes, I don't give a damn, good observation

As for the people who make this stuff, no they don't really care cause they don't consider western countries to be a viable marked to begin with.

Its people like you that piss me off. a whiny little brat who thinks he's sticking it to the man by being a scumbag.

I know its not nice to call names and i'll get in trouble but its true.

Well atleast this will be the last i see of you and your immature self.

Good bye ignoed.

 

[Figs]

Actually, I don't say I do that stuff, did I? If I want to look at these fansubbed works I'd do it through sites similar to youtube, hehe.

Oh and yes, I don't give a damn, good observation

As for the people who make this stuff, no they don't really care cause they don't consider western countries to be a viable marked to begin with.

They most likely don't find the western countries a viable market because a number of those japanese shows you were referring to that I've seen are total crap.

 

[teseract]

Example of what you put in bold please. Stealing those ideas would be to use those characters in a manner which hinted that they created them and not the people who did many years ago.

Look at most post modern literature and its heavy use of pastiche. Or modern art and its use of collage. Or how about the famous trouble with Andy Warhol and the soup cans. If someone calls himself an artist then all of a sudden stealing isn't so bad anymore or what?

And if you want an example of people without big names doing it, look no further than this site's fan work archives. I bet DC and Marvel ain't to happy that their character, which are normaly licensed for a heavy sum are used willy nilly for free, that IS a loss of profit right there.

 

[teseract]

They most likely don't find the western countries a viable market because a number of those japanese shows you were referring to that I've seen are total crap.

And yet they export so much anime and some movies they made are lauded as achievements in the genre field. And I don't think I referred to any Show at all.

 

[Kelly]

Look at most post modern literature and its heavy use of pastiche. Or modern art and its use of collage. Or how about the famous trouble with Andy Warhol and the soup cans. If someone calls himself an artist then all of a sudden stealing isn't so bad anymore or what?

And if you want an example of people without big names doing it, look no further than this site's fan work archives. I bet DC and Marvel ain't to happy that their character, which are normaly licensed for a heavy sum are used willy nilly for free, that IS a loss of profit right there.

Your arguments are getting weaker......but thats probably because you really don't give a damn.

We are talking about taking an entire piece of work, and totally reproducing it, then selling it, when it is under a copyright. The law once again is stronger than your argument.

 

[teseract]

All of those that you mentioned are more than 75 years old, therefore the copyright is no longer valid....


Again, it comes down to the law....not weak arguments.

As far as your last sentence......WTF?????

good cause? what "cause"....lmao

doesn't hurt someone????....I guess you don't know someone laid off because of the money lost from piracy......

Like the law on trademarks which is violated almost every day here on this very site? sounds to me like you pick and choose as well what you consider valid laws and what you don't consider valid laws.

The good cause is giving people access to the art of a different culture which they normally wouldn't be able to get access to thanks to language barriers as well as lack of legal channels to said art.

From piracy of Japanese TV-Shows not licensed here? No I don't know anyone.

 

[teseract]

Your arguments are getting weaker......but thats probably because you really don't give a damn.

We are talking about taking an entire piece of work, and totally reproducing it, then selling it, when it is under a copyright. The law once again is stronger than your argument.

It doesn't matter if you take a total piece of work or only a small part of it, copyright laws cover both. if I make a movie by clipping together bits and pieces from other movies it's still a violation of copyright law.