The Plot Holes in Spider-Man 3

[Venom 1988]

And when Robbie said the name Eddie in the first Spider-Man movie, it was just a homage...Raimi never wanted Venom as a villain, so he did that to pay homage to the character most likely, and then Arad came in to Raimi to put Venom in the movie...and Brock was never used until Spider-Man 3 by the way.

Actually they had casted some guy as Brock and they even filmed a small scene with him. Obviously that got cut out.

 

[Capt Throbberson]

Meh I don't buy that.
Im glad thought that you do enjoy and understand this kind of story-writing.

D!

In the battle, Venom said a few times was to humiliate spiderman, and ruin him before he kills him. Just going up there and killing him wouldn't satisfy Brock

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

This movie is flawed-

a) JJJ knew that MJ left his son to be with Peter? What happened with his son, didn't even try to get MJ back?

Who cares? When MJ left him at the Altar, John seemed to understand why despite his dismay. John has always been understanding and supportive of Spider-Man and his supporting cast so it's not out of character for him to just leave it alone. Not a plot hole at all. It's been a while. Time to move on.

b) Connors should at least make some kind of relation between the black goo, and the fact that Spider-Man turned black and more agressive.

Why? He's busy teaching at Columbia Friggin University. (or ESU) why should he be worried about anything that doesn't immediately deal with school or his star student , Peter Parker?

c) MJ knows that Norman Osborn was the Green Goblin?

No, she doesn't. She didn't make the link until Harry presented himself in her apartment. She then realized what the whole situation has been from movie one up until now.

d) Why did Bernard wait so long to tell Harry about something he knew about Norman's death? What does HE know? Yes, it was his glider, but so what? There's something here I don't understand

Just cus you don't understand it doesn't make it a plot hole. Theres no telling why he didn't tell Harry before...maybe he wanted to remain loyal to the family. But when he learned Peter was Spider-Man later on maybe he decided to break the fourth wall and get involved, seeing Harry disfigured could have made him more aware of the dangers of losing another Son like figure.

e) In the first movie, why didn't the burglar said something like "I didn't kill him" or whatever?

He did. Right before Peter tossed him out the window. "Give me a chance!" was the lead on to him wanting to explain his side.

f) Connors isn't a biologist?? WTF?

How is that a plot hole? He's been a physicist in the movie world since it started. Thats like saying "Spider-Man doesn't have web shooters? PLOT HOLE!!!".

g) How does Venom knows about Sandman's daughter? As far as I know, Spider-Man didn't know about that, so why the symbiote should?

Though it wasn't shown, it's possible Edward did his research before hand himself. But I'll give you this one.

h) What happens after Venom's transformation? He knows Peter is up there in the bell tower... Peter is perhaps naked up there... where does Venom go? Where does Peter go? MAJOR PLOT HOLE in my opinion

You honestly believe Peter would sit there and wait around while he's in there naked? The moment he regained himself I'm sure he swung home ASAP. In the mean time, Brock was still becoming engulfed by the symbiote.

i) Flint Marko turning into sand... except for the daughter's chain

It was a silcon based experiment. Our cells and the materials used to make out clothing are very similar to the properties they were testing in the field. Metal, has a totally different molecular structure, so it is assumed that it would not be affected the way everything else was in the center of the fusion process.


All in all you've only really named one actual plot hole. =/

 

[Catman]

Meh I don't buy that.

Peter made a fool of Eddie in front of everybody. So, Eddie wanted to do the same to Peter. So, don't blame Raimi because you couldn't understand what he was going for!

In the battle, Venom said a few times was to humiliate spiderman, and ruin him before he kills him. Just going up there and killing him wouldn't satisfy Brock

Thank you!

 

[Rac]

6. WHAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DAMN EXPERIMENT!!!

I wondered that too.

 

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

A 'Pumpkin Bomb' exploded in Spidey's face but didn't scar him in SM1, the same thing disfigured Harry's face and outright obliterated Eddie Brock/Venom in SM3.

Nice one.

Spider-Man can take a sucker punch from the Incredible Hulk. Ever wonder why Peter can get so messed up but never Scar? He has a healing factor that is as extensive as a real Spider's. Plus his resistance to injury is extremely high. Thats not a plot hole. It's a difference of power.

 

[deathfromabove]

this thread is full of no prizes. there are glaring plotholes in the movie because nearly a third of the story was cut out. you can not explain them away.

and if you are making up explanations that are not in the movie you are just confirming that they are indeed plot holes.

i really like the comment that "the symbiote knew everything about peter". wtf do you get that from? it wasnt even explained if the symbiote was a sentient creature or mearly just acting virally. so where do you get that it knows anything, much less make the jump to assume it would know everything about its host?

i found the movie to be very entertaining and it had more than its fair share of great moments (like the sandman transformation) but the lack of cohesiveness in the script really hurts.

another one: why does the locket survive the "experiment" yet he is turned to sand? i though it was great how his resolve to hold the locket is what made him solid but if im wondering to myself why the locket is even there there in the first place it hurts the scene. some simple psuedo scientific jargon from one of the technicians couldv'e cleared alot up.

sloppy storytelling hampering what could have (and should have ) been a great ending to an excellent "trilogy". smart storytelling and beleivable character arcs are what set apart the spiderman films and they are sadly missing here.

 

[DyeLorean]

and if you are making up explanations that are not in the movie you are just confirming that they are indeed plotholes.

Exactly.
About the symbiote knowing everything about Peter, we know that because of the comics. It lacks explanations in the film, but then again, how can you explain that?

D!

 

[Catman]

Spider-Man can take a sucker punch from the Incredible Hulk. Ever wonder why Peter can get so messed up but never Scar? He has a healing factor that is as extensive as a real Spider's. Plus his resistance to injury is extremely high. Thats not a plot hole. It's a difference of power.

Good work

About the symbiote knowing everything about Peter, we know that because of the comics. It lacks explanations in the film, but then again, how can you explain that?

D!

The symbiote didn't know everything about Peter. It knew about MJ. And, how difficult is it for him to find out about MJ? Thats his girlfriend, man. Venom/Brock could just check out Peter Parker's myspace and find out who he's dating! There's plenty of ways to find out who Peter is dating. Its not a plothole, dude. There's ways to find out these things.

 

[Ass Assassin]

Dunno if this has been mentioned yet but WTF was up with the spider-sense or lack thereof in this movie?

 

[spiderfan21]

I think the biggest plot hole was the whole sandman birth

YEah, I think him reforming himself and taking the first steps was one of the best scenes in the movie

But:

1. he runs from the police an somehow ends up in a scientific facility in wich you can just climb a fence and end up in the testing grounds
2. why none of the officers behind marko climbed the fence
3. How come in the lab or control room, some says "don´t worry is just a bird" and everything is OK
4. after the experiment... didn´t any of the scientist go check if the experiment was succesfull
5. why the locket didnt turn into sand?
6. WHAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DAMN EXPERIMENT!!!


in SM2 we knew what octavius wanted with his experiment... but in this we don´t get a clue... it was just an experiment to see if they can´t demolecurize (I know I must have writen that in a wrong way) sand into sand?... how to make sand out of silicon the most expensive way posible?
how to make a sand storm with lights in a hole? A gigant sand blender? how to turn a man into sand?

The locket didnt turn into sand because its not alive!!

 

[DyeLorean]

The locket didnt turn into sand because its not alive!!

The clothes aren't alive either!
My guess is that he dropped it before he got into those 3 blades around him.

D!

 

[spiderfan21]

In the climatic battle in the abandoned building in the first movie, Spidey gets hit with a pumpkin bomb in an almost EXACT fashion as Harry did in Spider-Man 3...

Only Peter's face wasn't scarred or disfigured...Harry was.

Peter had a mask

 

[xwolverine2]

Peter had a mask

an anti grenade mask huh?

 

[Theven]

f) Connors isn't a biologist?? WTF?

I agree with a lot of the plot holes you pointed out, but this one in particular interested me. I'm not sure what exactly the problem is; are you asking why he would declare it in the first place?
Are you wondering, "Why would Peter go to him to study it, he's a physicist! Couldn't he go to someone else?" Well, first off, Peter trusts Connors. Second, if he's that familiar with Connors, I'm sure Peter knew that he dabbles in some biology.

If anyone is wondering why he is even capable of dealing with anything remotely biological, he is a professor at a research institution; just because he is an expert in the field of physics doesn't mean he doesn't have the resources to do his lizard experiments and research the biology needed to do so. Connors points out that he isn't a biologist because he doesn't want Peter to think that he is some expert who knows what this is off the top of his head.

As far as the "if you're coming up with an explanation for this that's outside the movie" statement, I see what you mean, but I think this particular case is one that doesn't even need to be explained by the movie. This movie is loaded enough as is. Why spend time explaining this?

 

[spiderfan21]

an anti grenade mask huh?

yep, he sure did. And also guess what:


IT'S JUST A MOVIE!!!

 

[DyeLorean]

Ok, fair enough. I named the topic "plot holes", but that item in particular is not. More something that have to do with the comic book, and how it develops the character, studying lizards when he investigates with the DNA. A biologist does that, and if I'm not mistaken, that's what he is in the comic books.

D!

 

[Comicfan]

The clothes aren't alive either!
My guess is that he dropped it before he got into those 3 blades around him.

D!

Actually thats a good explanation

 

[sylabdul]

i see a trend here, alot people dont like this film cause it doesnt 'hold true to the comic'....so people say 'hey get over it, just a movie'...ok, so when we have these clear 'plot holes' are we suppose to just assume that he went by the comic there? Raimi changed the story for his own use, and he didnt even explain that right, whatever he didnt explain is left up for us to debate if we go by what the comic said or just wonder WTF?......not good story telling, not a good script if u just go by what he presents cause if i go by the comic, this whole film is complete trash......if i just go by the movie, we have plot holes

 

[Kent]

This movie is flawed-

a) JJJ knew that MJ left his son to be with Peter? What happened with his son, didn't even try to get MJ back?

b) Connors should at least make some kind of relation between the black goo, and the fact that Spider-Man turned black and more agressive.

c) MJ knows that Norman Osborn was the Green Goblin?

d) Why did Bernard wait so long to tell Harry about something he knew about Norman's death? What does HE know? Yes, it was his glider, but so what? There's something here I don't understand

e) In the first movie, why didn't the burglar said something like "I didn't kill him" or whatever?

f) Connors isn't a biologist?? WTF?

g) How does Venom knows about Sandman's daughter? As far as I know, Spider-Man didn't know about that, so why the symbiote should?

h) What happens after Venom's transformation? He knows Peter is up there in the bell tower... Peter is perhaps naked up there... where does Venom go? Where does Peter go? MAJOR PLOT HOLE in my opinion

i) Flint Marko turning into sand... except for the daughter's chain

What else? Correct me if I'm wrong in any of the above
D!

A plot hole is a hole in the internal logic (i.e. plot) of a story. An example would be the fact that Spider-Man's spider-sense only seems to work when it's convenient for the story. I don't know that any of these are plot holes.
That being said:

a.) Apparently, no he didn't. That's not a plot hole, it's a question you'd like answered, but I don't really see why it needs to be answered.

b.) Maybe he could. But as far as I know the only sign that black Spidey was more aggressive (in the public eye) would've been the "killing" of Sandman.
Not a plot hole.

c.) I'm not sure what this refers to, so I'll leave it.

d.) To no tarnish Harry's memory of Norman. But obviously, he realized that knowing this was important for his decision. Not a plot hole.

e.) Stressful situation? Well yeah... I probably agree with you here.

f.) No, in the movies he's not. And in the movies Gwen didn't get killed by GG. And... you know... loads of stuff. In-exact translations from the comics... not plot holes.

g.) Venom states he's been looking for Sandman everywhere. One might assume he had learnt things along the way. Could've been handled better for sure... not sure I'd call it a plot hole though.

h.) I guess you're wondering why Venom doesn't just go up there and kill him? Bells were up there. Bells = loud sounds. Venom + loud sounds = big no-no. He wanted to stack the odds in his favor.
Not a plot hole, but rather it seems to be very consistent with the plot.

i.) It could be assumed metal is protected from the process, no? I mean we don't see belt buckles and whatnot, but there's sand everywhere, so...
Probably not a plot hole. Meh.

That being said, yes... the movie is flawed. So were the previous two movies.

 

[sylabdul]

^^^^ lol the first two films were MASTERPIECES compared to this "movie"...

 

[LordSimen]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, THEY NEVER SAID 'EDDIE BROCK' IN THE FIRST MOVIE, THEY ONLY SAID 'EDDIE,', GOD DAMN IT!

The only reason this is a plothole to you people is because YOU all ASSUMED it was Eddie Brock when there was NO INDICATION that his last name was BROCK. God.

 

[sylabdul]

someone said they casted someone to play eddie brock in the first one, but it was cut....

 

[Kent]

so when we have these clear 'plot holes'

What clear plot holes?

 

[LordSimen]

someone said they casted someone to play eddie brock in the first one, but it was cut....

And Ben Kingsley was nearly cast as Vulture, but in the end he didn't make the final cut niether. Thus he isn't part of the cannon yet and they can do whatever they want with the character in the future.