The Story.

[Superman_200]

So then it's unnecessary.

True, but then it would also be unnecessary to just have him do it because he just does. I am just wondering if the reason why people don't like the "chosen one" premise is because it is unnecessary or because they feel like it changes the character one way or another, and if they think it does change the character; then, how does it change the character?

 

[Willi Berg]

True, but I don't see how it really alters the character very much. I don't see the harm in it. I don't see how it helps him either. I don't think either way it does any harm/good to the character. I don't really care if they use it or not, I'd like to understand though how it changes the character one way or another.

It adds mystical elements when there is enough to have to accept about Superman without him being destined by some ancient prophecy, which in itself creates other implications about magical mystical forces etc. Plus it's unoriginal. I would like some sci-fi without all that since we've had it with Matrix and Star Wars already.

 

[Superman_200]

It adds more mystical elements when there is enough to have to accept about Superman without him being destined by some ancient prophecy, which in itself creates other implications about magical mystical forces etc. Plus it's unoriginal. I would like some sci-fi without all that since we've had it with Matrix and Star Wars already.

Ah, it is because of the mystical element of it. In that case, I could agree with that. I wouldn't want anything supernatural or mystical/magical, etc. added to this. For Superman, his power is easy to explain, he is an alien. No more explanation is needed, and the other aliens simply follow him here. I think that is as far as they should go into the supernatural and magical in this movie. I think Nolan also is not a fan of any of that stuff, so I doubt he would approve of using too many things like that which can't really be explained.

 

[Wheels]

True, but I don't see how it really alters the character very much. I don't see the harm in it. I don't see how it helps him either. I don't think either way it does any harm/good to the character. I don't really care if they use it or not, I'd like to understand though how it changes the character one way or another.

It doesn't really.

Just tired of people harping on the Jesus allegory.

 

[Sabaoth]

Imagine Krypton not being destroyed, and remaining a permanent threat to planet earth.
Or maybe Krypton has been rendered an uninhabitable wasteland and survivors are looking for a world to invade and make their new home.

Kal El is the guardian of the earth and protects it from the ever potential Kryptonian invasion.
Remember the recent New Krypton saga and the fact that Henry Cavill himself, stated that he had read it in preparation for the role.
Could happen.

 

[Superman_200]

Imagine Krypton not being destroyed, and remaining a permanent threat to planet earth.
Or maybe Krypton has been rendered an uninhabitable wasteland and survivors are looking for a world to invade and make their new home.

Kal El is the guardian of the earth and protects it from the ever potential Kryptonian invasion.
Remember the recent New Krypton saga and the fact that Henry Cavill himself, stated that he had read it in preparation for the role.
Could happen.

That could happen, and might be interested. I don't think that Krypton being "destroyed" has to mean the planet disintegrates, or the whole galaxy is dying. I think it can simply mean that Krypton is destroyed by war with survivors here and there living in the ruins. Not that it is literally destroyed. Chernobyl can be said was destroyed by the disaster, but the place is still there. It doesn't just vanish off the map, but it is abandoned and destroyed. I wouldn't have a problem with a Krypton that was destroyed by war, torn apart and has a few survivors living in a post-apocalyptic world. It wouldn't really change the story very much or who Superman is whether or not the planet is still there or not. But it could explain where a lot of the villains come from. That way, there doesn't need to be a bunch of different places where all the villains come from and of course, like all movie super-villains, Earth is the casualty.

If Krypton still exists, and there are some survivors (who may have been the cause of the destruction), then that gives a lot of room for Kryptonian villains to come to Earth after Kal-El.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I'm kindof getting tired of the whole "evil Krypton" thing.

 

[Superman_200]

I'm kindof getting tired of the whole "evil Krypton" thing.

I wouldn't mind it, as long as it was not a big deal that has to be mentioned all the time. That he came from a planet that was genocidal, etc. But I wouldn't mind if it was destroyed by war. I just wouldn't want it to be over 1) beliefs, religious or otherwise, or 2) over greed. If it is a world that was torn apart by war, I would prefer that was torn apart by something that seems more barbaric like slavery. Not because of acts of terror inspired by religion or something like that, or by a guy that wants to rule.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I just prefer the more idealized version of Krypton. Making Kryptonians genocidal seems like too big a change.

 

[Superman_200]

I just prefer the more idealized version of Krypton. Making Kryptonians genocidal seems like too big a change.

I would prefer that too. If the planet is not destroyed completely, and there are some survivors I would prefer that it was Zod or Braniac or Darkseid who were responsible, or even Doomsday. That way there would be an excuse for them to arrive on Earth and all of that good stuff. They should be more idealized, and they should be peaceful and more advanced in their thinking than we are, that is for sure.

 

[_Kal-El_]

I only partially agree on this. Darkseid shouldn't have anything to do with this. Let him have his thing on Apokolips. Perhaps save him for a sequel. Sticking to the reimagened comic mythos could still prove very entertaining. Braniac is partially responsible for Krypton's destruction, while Zod was already banished, along with his comrades in arms.
The Phantom Zone is somehow breached, releasing their prisoners onto the nearest planet (Earth), leaving Superman to return from Africa to save the world.
Zod, Doomsday and Darkseid could -although not in that order- be introduced in sequels.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm wondering if there'll be a even balance in showing on the types of problems that Superman helps solve throughout his saves in the films.

I mean, will they show Superman mostly saving people from natural disasters (Hurricanes, Floods, Earthquakes)...

Will they show him tackling the crime scene more...

OR

Will they just emphasize on his battles against Zod/Faora?


I'm hoping to get a well balanced type of scenarios that they have Superman in when it comes to saving the day since Superman is one of those few heroes that isn't as limited to what they can rescue.

 

[afan]

Krypton should be a very nice place to live IMO. Krypton is very Earth like,(oceans, continents, flora, and fauna,etc.) but the direction their tech has taken is very un-Earth like. It's tech is advanced beyond ours but is based solely on the use of "green" resources, (solar, wind, water, geo thermal, etc.).

This type of foundation for their technology, tho not capable of explosive power, is very steady reliable and bucolic, the society/culture of Krypton is a reflection of it's tech being very peaceful and co-operative in nature.


Space travel tho common, is limited to solar system travel only, due to the reliance on the solar winds as power . That's all Krypton needs or desires as the Kryptonian system is rich with inhabitable regions.

 

[Superman_200]

I'm wondering if there'll be a even balance in showing on the types of problems that Superman helps solve throughout his saves in the films.

I mean, will they show Superman mostly saving people from natural disasters (Hurricanes, Floods, Earthquakes)...

Will they show him tackling the crime scene more...

OR

Will they just emphasize on his battles against Zod/Faora?


I'm hoping to get a well balanced type of scenarios that they have Superman in when it comes to saving the day since Superman is one of those few heroes that isn't as limited to what they can rescue.

I would imagine that the conflict in West Africa is what inspires him to do something to help. At least that was what had been mentioned as a sort of premise for the story.

But what I would imagine makes him go from "Clark just helping where he can and is needed" to putting on the uniform is the arrival of Zod and Faora. I think that makes it all the more dramatic as well that the first time he is seen in the costume is to stop a major catastrophe from happening rather than just to stop a mugging, killing, plane crash, etc.

 

[sf2]

Krypton should be a very nice place to live IMO. Krypton is very Earth like,(oceans, continents, flora, and fauna,etc.) but the direction their tech has taken is very un-Earth like. It's tech is advanced beyond ours but is based solely on the use of "green" resources, (solar, wind, water, geo thermal, etc.).

This type of foundation for their technology, tho not capable of explosive power, is very steady reliable and bucolic, the society/culture of Krypton is a reflection of it's tech being very peaceful and co-operative in nature.


Space travel tho common, is limited to inter-solar system travel only, due to the reliance on the solar winds as power . That's all Krypton needs or desires as the Kryptonian system is rich with inhabitable regions.

i like the utopia idea very much. but... why it was doomed then ???

 

[sf2]

Imagine Krypton not being destroyed, and remaining a permanent threat to planet earth.
Or maybe Krypton has been rendered an uninhabitable wasteland and survivors are looking for a world to invade and make their new home.

Kal El is the guardian of the earth and protects it from the ever potential Kryptonian invasion.
Remember the recent New Krypton saga and the fact that Henry Cavill himself, stated that he had read it in preparation for the role.
Could happen.

mmm... not good. like talking about illegal immigrant / refugee... and it isn't wrong to find a new home by all means when yours was destroyed.

 

[Superman_200]

i like the utopia idea very much. but... why it was doomed then ???

I think the best explanation is the simplest, and not that the planet itself is doomed, but perhaps that the sun is just a dying star. Which looks like this:

Spoiler

That was taken of course by the Hubble Space Telescope. A dying star (like for example if the sun died in the Milky Way) would kill us all, and I think eventually turn into a blackhole. The final burst of energy from the dying star would be the ultimate moment before the planet Krypton is destroyed.

 

[sf2]

then surely they should have known their sun is dying and would have planned for the escape.

 

[afan]

i like the utopia idea very much. but... why it was doomed then ???

Not sure what you mean by doomed....if you simply mean why did it end then..........Superman_200 sums it up nicely....

I think the best explanation is the simplest, and not that the planet itself is doomed, but perhaps that the sun is just a dying star.

Or perhaps by doomed.... you mean not heeding the theories/warnings of Jor-el.

This is quite understandable if....he is the only one that correctly interprets the warning signs....and an adherence to his survival plan for Krypton involves a total shut down of every public and private endeavor on a solar system scale which would be necessary to devote a total Kryptonian effort to escape the star system. A devotion that would consume years, and if in the event Jor-el is wrong, would surely devestate all that Krypton had achieved.

Consider also that a society that has risen to great heights both in tech and culture because of it's solar benefactor, is now asked to accept that same benefactor will be the cause of their destruction.

Now even an acceptance of Jor-el's theories and plans does not negate the classic escape of only Kal-el. Perhaps an initial reluctance to accept Jor-el's theories coupled with a miscalculation by Jor-el regarding the time Krypton has left; leaves him only with the small test-ship in which he places Kal-el.

 

[Superman_200]

then surely they should have known their sun is dying and would have planned for the escape.

The escape plan could be experimental, and Jor-El created it not being certain that it was going to workout or not. Others scientists could just say that if the entire galaxy would be doomed anyway, where would they escape too. I think that wouldn't be much of a issue, how to cover it up. How a planet can just explode or die on its own, that would be hard to explain because life can die off slowly, but a planet spontaneously blowing up or becoming that unstable I think has to be nearly impossible.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I think how they handled it in STAS worked wonderfully.

That the reason they didn't listen to Jor-el is that Brainiac was telling them he was wrong, and their arrogance and trust in the Brainiac system lead to their destruction.

However, I'd be fine if they went in a different angle this time and had Krypton's destruction come about due to war.

I think it would work better in terms of symmetry in the story. Earth basically being Krypton a few hundred years or so earlier, and Superman having the opportunity to steer it away from the same fate, after finding out the truth of what happened on Krypton.

Also, if Krypton is destroyed through war, there is a nice easy tie in to make it partly General Zod's fault. Like maybe in the middle of a world wide war, with apocolyptic carnage going on, he issued the order for the final nuke to be sent, knowing it would mean the end for the planet, but seeing it's remaining people as a lost cause now - and then he and a select few escaped into the phantom zone, with one target in mind - Earth.

 

[manofsteel4life]

This for me would be my dream line up in terms of enemies. Zod Faroa and what ever baddie we're getting in Mos......brainiac luthor and maybe metallo thrown in for the sequel. And finally to end the trilogy with darksied. I would love to see doomsday as well but like many have said I just don't think he can carry a movie by himself. Maybe if lex had a hand in it maybe, it could. Metallo is in interesting enemy cause he could somewhat be a legitimate threat for supes but my thing is after Zod and co how do you up the scale with metallo? That's why after braniac, darkseid seems logical. But sadly darkseid seems unlikey.

 

[_Kal-El_]

Imagine Krypton not being destroyed, and remaining a permanent threat to planet earth.
Or maybe Krypton has been rendered an uninhabitable wasteland and survivors are looking for a world to invade and make their new home.

Kal El is the guardian of the earth and protects it from the ever potential Kryptonian invasion.
Remember the recent New Krypton saga and the fact that Henry Cavill himself, stated that he had read it in preparation for the role.
Could happen.

Also, that wasn't Krypton, that was Kandor. Kandor had been reinstated to its original size, and took up half of Metropolis. The New Krypton storyline, and its sequels, still dealt with the original doomed fate of Krypton. No offense, but if you're going to quote material, do it right.

 

[Herolee10]

This for me would be my dream line up in terms of enemies. Zod Faroa and what ever baddie we're getting in Mos......brainiac luthor and maybe metallo thrown in for the sequel. And finally to end the trilogy with darksied. I would love to see doomsday as well but like many have said I just don't think he can carry a movie by himself. Maybe if lex had a hand in it maybe, it could. Metallo is in interesting enemy cause he could somewhat be a legitimate threat for supes but my thing is after Zod and co how do you up the scale with metallo? That's why after braniac, darkseid seems logical. But sadly darkseid seems unlikey.

That's how I see it in regards to their choice in villains for the franchise, and in a way, it may mirror on how Nolan has chosen his villains for his specific Batman films.

I mean in BB, you have Ra's as the main villain, accompanied by the lesser scale villainy of Scarecrow.

One could argue that Zod and Faora would meet those categories when it comes to Superman.

Then in TDK, you have the Joker and Two Face, two of Batman's most well known foes.

Again, the same thing with Lex and Brainiac for Superman's sequel.

And finally, you have TDKR, where Batman goes up against his most powerful villain when it comes to strength...alas, Superman against Darkseid since I there's not much you could do with the likes of Doomsday in terms of compelling storytelling imho.

 

[8wid]

Should Doomsday be a tool of Brainiac, Darkseid, Luthor, or Zod? Or not at all?