The Story.

[hopefuldreamer]

but i'm a superman fan. i can't change the fact that Marvel keeps on doing the right thing and suceeding.

Then tell us a bit about what you WANT from the story, what you LOVE about the character... instead of always being negative and banging on about what you don't want and what you hate.

I'd love to hear what your hoping for from this movie

 

[Herolee10]

Well personally, what I'm hoping to see in this film is for it to show to the GA and fans alike on why Superman is considered the best of all heroes, and such.

Other things that I want to see is Superman winning over the hearts and trust of the public throughout the film. A lot of people have said, which I totally agree with by the way, that in today's age, it wouldn't be realistic for everyone to be happy and cheering for when Superman first arrives, and that a lot of people will question his true motives to the point of downright fearing him, especially when they learn that he's an alien.

Also, unlike SR, I want this film to treat Superman as if he IS the main character of the film like it should do.

SIII and SR really dropped the ball when it came to giving Superman proper screentime and focus.

What I'm hoping they avoid is making Superman too angst like tot he point where he's like Batman or Spiderman. I'm not saying that he should be happy all the time or something, but there are different ways of having Superman handle his own emotional problems.

 

[_Kal-El_]

Superman should definitely come across as untrustworthy in the public's eye at first. Didn't Birthright show that as well? He spent some time in Africa before moving back to Metropolis, but even in Africa, he didn't don his suit. I remember one panel where he jumped in front of a friend to protect him from bullet fire, stopping everything with his bare hands, wearing nothing but a civilian attire and camera around his neck.

I agree about the overall length of the film. It should, in my opinion, clock in at somewhere around 150 minutes, like Superman Returns did. The major difference of course being that the first 30 minutes are reserved for Krypton/origin development, another 30 to 45 for Africa/Smallville scenes, which would leave a minimum of 75 minutes for character/relationship development in Metropolis, and all the necessary action scenes that accompany it. Although it of course goes without saying that the Krypton/Africa/Smallville scenes should have plenty of their own as well.

I would also like to point out that, in my opinion, there is no use in comparing Thor or Spiderman with Superman. Thor is a god, Spiderman is a whimsy teenager and Superman is an alien with nearly unlimited powers. Not to mention that the two former are from Marvel, and this is a DC thread...

Saying there are already too many Superman origin stories is a load of bull too. Superman The Movie touched upon the entire origin in less than 10 minutes, and not referenced again in the sequels. Superman Returns had some weak flashbacks to his teen years, and nothing else.

A reboot with a proper re-imagining, with a half hour running time, clearly defining his birth, earlier years, life on Krypton, and his parents, is the only way to go. Some flashbacks later on in the film, within the Fortress of Solitude, or simply having Superman remember certain moments, wouldn't hurt either. Crowe and Ormond are great actors. They'd pull it off for sure.

 

[sf2]

Then tell us a bit about what you WANT from the story, what you LOVE about the character... instead of always being negative and banging on about what you don't want and what you hate.

I'd love to hear what your hoping for from this movie

i thought i have said enough of what i want and love to see on the story and character. and i thought in one point you were agreeing with me on the story direction and character???

and from now on i won't complain on the trunks-less and belt-less design because it gotta do with the lawsuit thing.

btw, i'm not a a\s/\s/ kisser. i'm easy to please though.

 

[_Kal-El_]

yet another superman begins story...
i thought they said it was an established superman story in the very beginning ???
no that i'm against it...
just that it seems so difficult for them to come up a good story for an established superman movie... and it is sad. after 30+ years they still can't make a good established superman movie...
and marvel does a superbly good job on their characters.
ironman, thor and captain american are so difficult to make convincing. and they did it well.
but in superman case, people have already acceptted him. people are ready to see him soar high. yet we are asked again to accept him.

the father battle becomes the son battle???
:l no no...

You mean these? Not much to go on here... Except discontent on everything Superman-related. There's nothing here other than applauding Marvel content, which is, as stated before, not the right thread to do so. Assuming your comments on what -according to you- the story should include, are buried elsewhere, would you mind elaborating?

 

[Willi Berg]

Superman should definitely come across as untrustworthy in the public's eye at first. Didn't Birthright show that as well? He spent some time in Africa before moving back to Metropolis, but even in Africa, he didn't don his suit. I remember one panel where he jumped in front of a friend to protect him from bullet fire, stopping everything with his bare hands, wearing nothing but a civilian attire and camera around his neck.

He secretly protected an African tribe leader from being assassinated.

If Superman is untrustworthy to humans maybe Zod will try to use that to try to get Superman on his side.

 

[_Kal-El_]

Not much of a secret if everyone was left wondering why his shirt was shredded, but he was fine. I read the comic, I just couldn't remember the friend's details.

That definitely sounds like something Zod would do. Superman is very determined though. Things would have to get very rough for him to have his trust in, and love for, humanity shaken.

 

[Willi Berg]

Not much of a secret if everyone was left wondering why his shirt was shredded, but he was fine. I read the comic, I just couldn't remember the friend's details.

"Secret" of course in that no one knew Clark took the bullet/s for him.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

i thought i have said enough of what i want and love to see on the story and character. and i thought in one point you were agreeing with me on the story direction and character???

Then it's really a shame that over the last couple of weeks there has been so much negativity surrounding your posts that I can't remember any of the 'good' t

 

[sf2]

I think we were kind of in agreement to start with, my initial post just came off a bit 'Superman created by tragedy', which was so not what I meant, cause I hate that too

see. we are in agreement. memory refreshed?

btw, i dislike the 'father battle becomes the son battle'. because i would like to see the story focusing more on the planet of earth. and that's how superman can get relatable.

 

[_Kal-El_]

Why do you keep referring to the father becomes the son battle?
That sounds very reminiscent of the apprentice becoming the master, and this nowhere near Vader facing off against Kenobi.

If you are hinting at Zod fighting Jor-El, and then fighting Superman, it still doesn't add up. The father becomes the son was used to highlight Superman continuing the hopes and dreams of his father. His characteristics, beliefs, morale, and general output on life. It was also used to indicate that with Jor-El's remaining powers, he restored Superman's strength in Superman II: TRDC, thus becoming him. It doesn't have anything to do with Zod.
It was also used in an abysmal reference of Superman passing on his genes to Jason, in Superman Returns. Still, no mention of Zod...

You're on a different page, I believe.

 

[Willi Berg]

btw, i dislike the 'father battle becomes the son battle'. because i would like to see the story focusing more on the planet of earth. and that's how superman can get relatable.

If we are going to see stuff on Krypton, we are likely going to see what Jor-El has to go through. This is Superman's father. Seeing where Superman comes from will only help make him more relatable. If Krypton is more "real" and more alive than the sterile crystal planet then we understand more where Superman comes from. And even though he is an alien, he'll still come from a place that we can relate to. Superman's relationships are what will make him relatable, and that includes making Jor-El more of a complete character.

 

[_Kal-El_]

^This. Superman The Movie, although great in its own right, was severely lacking in the Krypton/Jor-El department.

 

[Superman_200]

^This. Superman The Movie, although great in its own right, was severely lacking in the Krypton/Jor-El department.

And that might have not even been intended that way. Who knows, I really find it difficult to believe that Marlon Brando, after having made Godfather would have accepted to have a small 5 minute role in a movie. I imagine his part was probably much bigger and better than what we wound up with in the movie. Unless of course, they paid him a huge amount and he said F-it, I am going to do it for the money.

 

[sf2]

Why do you keep referring to the father becomes the son battle?
That sounds very reminiscent of the apprentice becoming the master, and this nowhere near Vader facing off against Kenobi.

If you are hinting at Zod fighting Jor-El, and then fighting Superman, it still doesn't add up. The father becomes the son was used to highlight Superman continuing the hopes and dreams of his father. His characteristics, beliefs, morale, and general output on life. It was also used to indicate that with Jor-El's remaining powers, he restored Superman's strength in Superman II: TRDC, thus becoming him. It doesn't have anything to do with Zod.
It was also used in an abysmal reference of Superman passing on his genes to Jason, in Superman Returns. Still, no mention of Zod...

You're on a different page, I believe.

i said father battle becomes the son battle. not father... becomes the son.

i don't wanna see the plot focusing on jor-el fighting zod. defeated. sent away his son. his son grew up. learned about his father. zod came to earth. his son fighting zod to make the revenge for his father. i don't want this. k?

 

[Willi Berg]

I think there will be more to it than just Jor-El fighting Zod. There's obviously a lot more going on in the final days of Krypton. But Zod is a character that we know tried to overthrow the government. Jor-El is largely involved in the Council and Kryptonian life.

I don't think it has to be a straight revenge movie. But that the themes of father and son will still be there, where we see their lives mirror each other. Zod being in the movie already connects Jor-El and Kal-El. And Zod will obviously link Krypton politics to Earth.

 

[Willi Berg]

In the old 1979 comic series World of Krypton, it gives a very good portrayal of Jor-El's life on Krypton up to the final days. We see that he was a gifted scientist. He went to work for the space centre, which was led by General Zod. Jor-El goes on to advance the space program but criminals like Jax-Ur put an end to it.

We also see him discovering the Phantom Zone and creating the Phantom Zone projector. We see that Zod and Faora and other criminals are in the Phantom Zone.

We see Brainiac stealing Kandor, the capital city that was founded by the El family.

We see Jor-El discovering the unstable core of Krypton and trying to help his wife and baby son escape.

These things are all tied together, so it would be good to see something like that in the movie, because then it can be built on and it explains these things on Krypton first before we see how they will affect Earth and Superman.

 

[sf2]

I think there will be more to it than just Jor-El fighting Zod. There's obviously a lot more going on in the final days of Krypton. But Zod is a character that we know tried to overthrow the government. Jor-El is largely involved in the Council and Kryptonian life.

I don't think it has to be a straight revenge movie. But that the themes of father and son will still be there, where we see their lives mirror each other. Zod being in the movie already connects Jor-El and Kal-El. And Zod will obviously link Krypton politics to Earth.

i just want it to be simplier. Zod comes as a threat to the world. Superman confronts him to protect us. nothing to do with 'zod killing his father' / 'zod destroy his planet'.
i want the 'us / the people / the audience' become the main object, no as a secondary. it will make the audience cheer for him.

and i don't want the story of jor-el / planet krypton steal away clark kent's screen time.

 

[Willi Berg]

i just want it to be simplier. Zod comes as a threat to the world. Superman confronts him to protect us. nothing to do with 'zod killing his father' / 'zod destroy his planet'.
i want the 'us / the people / the audience' become the main object, no as a secondary. it will make the audience cheer for him.

I never said Zod will kill his father or destroy the planet. That's not in the comics lore.

All that simple stuff about Zod attacking the Earth and Superman taking care of it is obviously going to be there. That's it at its simplest form. We saw that in Superman II. But I'm just saying there's going to be more background.

Having more Krypton history won't make the audience secondary. It will probably give them more substance rather than just having some simplistic fight.

 

[sf2]

having more screen time on krypton to tell the history = having less screen time on earth = having less screen time on clark kent.

 

[Willi Berg]

having more screen time on krypton to tell the history = having less screen time on earth = having less screen time on clark kent.

Once again you are assuming things towards the negative.

I don't think it's going to tell the entire history of Krypton, but crucial scenes to tie things together. The way we saw flashbacks of Bruce Wayne's past tie into why he was doing things in the present.

And this is sci-fi, certain things need to be explained.

 

[Doc Krypton]

Posted this in the photo thread, but I think it's more appropriate to discuss it here.

Something has occurred to me.

- They're using a costume very reminiscent of the Flyby outfit.
- Zod and Faora are confirmed on Earth, there are people in mo-cap suits, and Russell Crowe is in Plano. That could mean more Kryptonians and Jor-El are on Earth.

What if...what if they're using the Flyby script elements, too?

 

[Willi Berg]

What if...what if they're using the Flyby script elements, too?

I seriously doubt that. The Flyby script was considered too far removed from the Superman story we know and that played a large part in not getting made- the fanboy reaction online.

I don't think WB will go so far as to change elements of the Superman story that much. That script had major changes to the Superman story. It just won't be accepted.

To believe it would be a kind of panic thinking.

 

[Superman_200]

Posted this in the photo thread, but I think it's more appropriate to discuss it here.

Something has occurred to me.

- They're using a costume very reminiscent of the Flyby outfit.
- Zod and Faora are confirmed on Earth, there are people in mo-cap suits, and Russell Crowe is in Plano. That could mean more Kryptonians and Jor-El are on Earth.

What if...what if they're using the Flyby script elements, too?

Russell Crowe can be filming on the set because he is not filming in Smallville. That wouldn't make sense. That is why he is not seen in the filming where the actual town is shown. He has to be most likely filming all of his part against a green screen, or on a set that has a Krypton model. Most likely, the easiest thing to do would be to go completely CGI from Krypton and he can be filming his scenes against a green screen.

 

[manofsteel4life]

Is there gonna be an Africa scene still?