The Story.

[Herolee10]

Should Doomsday be a tool of Brainiac, Darkseid, Luthor, or Zod? Or not at all?

I would say not at all; I mean really, the character of Doomsday is nothing more than a plot device imho, since he was only created to kill off Superman in the comics.

In terms of film, unless they added a new layer to his character, I don't see on how he'd be useful in the film other than costing the film producers a hell of a lot of money for a uninspired fight between himself and Superman.

 

[Willi Berg]

An episode of the animated series was interesting- "Absolute Power". It showed Jax-Ur and Mala escaping the Phantom Zone and taking over a nearby planet. They try to make it the utopia that Krypton was. They impose martial law and control the citizens etc. When Superman first shows up, the citizens distrust him but then later ask him to intervene. He is reluctant at first, but then does it and realises it was the right thing to do.

Maybe the movie will be similar, with Earth first mistrusting and going after Superman but then turning to him and asking him for help to deal with Zod and co.

 

[Willi Berg]

The escape plan could be experimental, and Jor-El created it not being certain that it was going to workout or not. Others scientists could just say that if the entire galaxy would be doomed anyway, where would they escape too. I think that wouldn't be much of a issue, how to cover it up. How a planet can just explode or die on its own, that would be hard to explain because life can die off slowly, but a planet spontaneously blowing up or becoming that unstable I think has to be nearly impossible.

Right. It was never an issue that Krypton didn't have knowledge that the planet was in danger of blowing up, more that no-one believed Jor-El and any escape plan he had was thwarted by the Council. Or his science and space experiments were halted- including space travel- by the actions of other scientists like Jax-Ur.

 

[manofsteel4life]

That's how I see it in regards to their choice in villains for the franchise, and in a way, it may mirror on how Nolan has chosen his villains for his specific Batman films.

I mean in BB, you have Ra's as the main villain, accompanied by the lesser scale villainy of Scarecrow.

One could argue that Zod and Faora would meet those categories when it comes to Superman.

Then in TDK, you have the Joker and Two Face, two of Batman's most well known foes.

Again, the same thing with Lex and Brainiac for Superman's sequel.
And finally, you have TDKR, where Batman goes up against his most powerful villain when it comes to strength...alas, Superman against Darkseid since I there's not much you could do with the likes of Doomsday in terms of compelling storytelling imho.

Exactly....you think well see Darksied though?

 

[Willi Berg]

Darkseid could be a great villain to end a trilogy with, if the series is successful. He would certainly need to be portrayed on a grand scale, which would suit a third movie.

 

[Herolee10]

Exactly....you think well see Darksied though?

If a tv show like Smallville has the balls to tackle a villain like Darkseid for their final season (even though they had failed in adapting him onto the tv screen.lol) then I don't see why he couldn't find his way to the films.

He not only brings the physicality needed to go toe to toe with Superman, but he's very intelligent as well and he actually has a grand plan that goes beyond defeating Superman.

There's so much that a writer could do with the character if treated properly.

 

[Willi Berg]

If a tv show like Smallville has the balls to tackle a villain like Darkseid for their final season (even though they had failed in adapting him onto the tv screen.lol) then I don't see why he couldn't find his way to the films.

He not only brings the physicality needed to go toe to toe with Superman, but he's very intelligent as well and he actually has a grand plan that goes beyond defeating Superman.

There's so much that a writer could do with the character if treated properly.

I would like the series to go more sci-fi and further out in to space as it progresses. It's a start in the first movie with Zod and whoever he brings with him, and then Brainiac could be great in a sequel (if it gets made.) Then someone like Darkseid could really push it further in terms of other planets etc. And he could also affect Earth (as long as it's better than Parallax on Earth in Green Lantern.)

 

[sf2]

Darkseid could be a great villain to end a trilogy with, if the series is successful. He would certainly need to be portrayed on a grand scale, which would suit a third movie.

having dream is good. but dreaming is not.

 

[Willi Berg]

having dream is good. but dreaming is not.

 

[Willi Berg]

having dream is good. but dreaming is not.

btw maybe it is best not to keep living in the fantasy that this Superman will appear in his red trunks, be the "Chosen One" by a prophecy, and return to save his people on a Krypton that doesn't explode

 

[batman_1989_]

I wouldn't mind them taking a few cues from Grant Morrison's All Star Superman (his Action Comics seems great,too)

 

[Willi Berg]

I wouldn't mind them taking a few cues from Grant Morrison's All Star Superman (his Action Comics seems great,too)

Watching the animated "All-Star Superman" again recently, it really struck me that that story is actually very quiet and introspective, since it is about Superman's last days. He is looking back over his life, his relationship with Lois etc. What is good about it for a movie, is that it isn't afraid to have fun with the Superman story and be open to big/weird ideas.

His first Action Comic is pretty good in portraying what he thinks Superman should stand for, as well showing Superman gaining more power the more confident and experienced he gets.

 

[Mad Love]

The comic version of All-Star Superman is way better than the animated version. I didn't think they translated Frank Quitely's style well and the movie truncates the mythic feel of it.

 

[Willi Berg]

Yes, the movie did cut out major parts of it like Bizarro World, Earth-Q, the three visiting Supermen, Kandor etc. etc. which were the stranger elements of the story that would've made it more interesting.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

If a tv show like Smallville has the balls to tackle a villain like Darkseid for their final season (even though they had failed in adapting him onto the tv screen.lol) then I don't see why he couldn't find his way to the films.

He not only brings the physicality needed to go toe to toe with Superman, but he's very intelligent as well and he actually has a grand plan that goes beyond defeating Superman.

There's so much that a writer could do with the character if treated properly.

I'd love to see Darksied on the big screen. But i'm hoping they save it for a JL movie personally. I think he brings the perfect level of 'epic villain' for a team up.

 

[Herolee10]

I'd love to see Darksied on the big screen. But i'm hoping they save it for a JL movie personally. I think he brings the perfect level of 'epic villain' for a team up.

lol true; but if a third film somehow comes to being in the works before any JL films is, then I would just go with Darkseid for the third film.haha

 

[hopefuldreamer]

lol true; but if a third film somehow comes to being in the works before any JL films is, then I would just go with Darkseid for the third film.haha

Agreed. Which is why i'd love for them to work Intergang into the second films plot, so we have Bruno Mannheim hinting at a deal with Darkseid at the end

But if they know they are going for a JL movie, which I think they do now, then i'd go for Lex/Intergang/Metallo in second film and save Brainiac for third, so that Darkseid can be the centre of the JL plot.

And to me, Brainiac is like Venom in Spiderman. His plot can fill a movie on it's own... don't stick anyone else in the mix or it'll ruin it (other than Lex, but he's not a villain to me, he's a side character).

 

[Herolee10]

Agreed. Which is why i'd love for them to work Intergang into the second films plot, so we have Bruno Mannheim hinting at a deal with Darkseid at the end

But if they know they are going for a JL movie, which I think they do now, then i'd go for Lex/Intergang/Metallo in second film and save Brainiac for third, so that Darkseid can be the centre of the JL plot.

And to me, Brainiac is like Venom in Spiderman. His plot can fill a movie on it's own... don't stick anyone else in the mix or it'll ruin it (other than Lex, but he's not a villain to me, he's a side character).

Personally, I would rather have Darkseid saved for a version of Superman that I'm invested in, since the JL film will feature a new superman from a different continuity, and I'm willing to bet that (provided MOS proves to be successful) that we'd have gotten a sequel by then.


On a sidenote, I really hope that this film really emphasizes on how BIG of a symbol of HOPE that Superman is and how Clark only realizes this AFTER becoming Superman, because I doubt that he would have known on how big his superman persona would become; I mean this is the hero that people will supposedly remember for centuries to come.

 

[Kurosawa]

I just prefer the more idealized version of Krypton. Making Kryptonians genocidal seems like too big a change.

Utopian Krypton is a must.

Spoiler

 

[Superman_200]

Right. It was never an issue that Krypton didn't have knowledge that the planet was in danger of blowing up, more that no-one believed Jor-El and any escape plan he had was thwarted by the Council. Or his science and space experiments were halted- including space travel- by the actions of other scientists like Jax-Ur.

True, I just hope that it isn't a planet just spontaneously blowing up because that, really, just does not happen. Unless it is a super volcano or something but that wouldn't destroy all the planet, just a large portion of people would be affected.

 

[Kurosawa]

True, I just hope that it isn't a planet just spontaneously blowing up because that, really, just does not happen. Unless it is a super volcano or something but that wouldn't destroy all the planet, just a large portion of people would be affected.

But there were warning signs for years-quakes, eruptions, tidal waves-Krypton was tearing itself apart, and it had been settled late in it's life as a world.

 

[_Kal-El_]

I would say not at all; I mean really, the character of Doomsday is nothing more than a plot device imho, since he was only created to kill off Superman in the comics.

In terms of film, unless they added a new layer to his character, I don't see on how he'd be useful in the film other than costing the film producers a hell of a lot of money for a uninspired fight between himself and Superman.

Doomsday eventually became sentient. If they ever adapt that storyline, it could still work.

 

[Alien Anal]

I wonder why they end up fighting in smallville?

 

[matrix_ghost]

I wonder why they end up fighting in smallville?

Financial reasons ?
Filming a huge VFX heavy sequence in a city will cost more then filming the same action scene in a farmland area.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Personally, I would rather have Darkseid saved for a version of Superman that I'm invested in, since the JL film will feature a new superman from a different continuity, and I'm willing to bet that (provided MOS proves to be successful) that we'd have gotten a sequel by then.

But isn't the Batman reboot-reimagining thing hehe supposed to coincide with the MOS continuity?