The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[Whirlysplat]

You said that the Sentry's stories outside of his last miniseries have been poor. I said that the Sentry is limited in the amount of good stories a writer can tell about him. See how the two statements are unrelated, and thus cannot agree or disagree?

But that's not what you said. You state the amount of good stories a writer can tell about him are limited now, previously, you said something different, that the number written were limited. Both statements are subjective and open to opinion. In the case of the posts your own. I believe a limited writer will write limited stories regardless of character used. That's my opinion. See how it differs from yours?

The difference between Strange and Sentry is that good stories involving Sentry are extremely limited. It's not hard to do a good Strange story, even if many writers have failed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought the Marvel equivalent of Superman was Gladiator

He is. So is Hyperion. The Sentry's just the latest.

 

[shapeshifter]

I thought the Marvel equivalent of Superman was Gladiator

I always thought of Wonderman as the marvel superman.
until Sentry came to town. I think I see it mostly in costume and powers. You know the big S, the cape, the flying and super strength.
Gladiator was always sort of his own animal in my book.

 

[JackRembrandt]

But that's not what you said. You state the amount of good stories a writer can tell about him are limited now, previously, you said something different, that the number written were limited. Both statements are subjective and open to opinion. In the case of the posts your own. I believe a limited writer will write limited stories regardless of character used. That's my opinion. See how it differs from yours?

No, you completely misread what I typed. Go back and read it again. I said the same thing both times; that the Sentry is limited as to how many decent stories one can squeeze out of him.

Your last bit here at least addresses what I originally typed, so you're getting closer.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I always thought of Wonderman as the marvel superman.
until Sentry came to town. I think I see it mostly in costume and powers. You know the big S, the cape, the flying and super strength.
Gladiator was always sort of his own animal in my book.

Wonder Man? Why?

 

[JackRembrandt]

Wonder Man is not one of Marvel's "Supermen". I'd say it's pretty much an exclusive title for Thor, Hyperion, Gladiator and now the Sentry.

 

[Whirlysplat]

No, you completely misread what I typed. Go back and read it again. I said the same thing both times; that the Sentry is limited as to how many decent stories one can squeeze out of him.

Your last bit here at least addresses what I originally typed, so you're getting closer.

Weasel all you want. It seems no one understands your posts but you. What does that say about your construction. It's obvious what you said and i've reposted it once.

If you merely put it together badly and did mean what you're saying now originally.... Well, I suggest you read Alan Moores "Supreme", All Star Superman, Miracleman, either Moore or Gaiman, Mr Majestic series one, Supreme Power. All have many of the elements Sentry's homage taps into and are very good stories. You are putting your opinion as the cap on the writers abilities.

 

[shapeshifter]

i see what i see

 

[JackRembrandt]

Weasel all you want. It seems no one understands your posts but you. What does that say about your construction. It's obvious what you said and i've reposted it once.

Who, besides you, is having a hard time understanding what I post?

If you merely put it together badly and did mean what your saying now originally. I suggest you read Alan Moores "Supreme", All Star Superman, Miracleman, either Moore or Gaiman, Mr Majestic series one, Supreme Power. All have many of the elements Sentry's homage taps into and are very good stories. You are putting your opinion as the cap on the writers abilities.

I've read all of those. None of those are Sentry stories. None of them deal with agoraphobia or multiple personality disorders. It's my opinion that Marvel has painted themselves into the corner with the character.

 

[Whirlysplat]

i see what i see

As you should. Definitive statements on comics are foolish. Individual perspective is all anyone has.

 

[JackRembrandt]

As you should. Definitive statements on comics are foolish. Individual perspective is all anyone has.

There are definitely certain things that are absolutes. Bendis sucking is one. Liefeld sucking is another one.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Who, besides you, is having a hard time understanding what I post?



I've read all of those. None of those are Sentry stories. None of them deal with agoraphobia or multiple personality disorders. It's my opinion that Marvel has painted themselves into the corner with the character.

Actually Miracleman dealt with the forgotten hero, with amade up past the original premise for Sentry. Supreme had a mechanised fortress run by a computer like Cloc. They all dealt with a Superman. You don't have to focus on the personality disorders as the main element for Sentry stories, I think perhaps you are imagining comics writers to have imaginations as limited as yours.

All i've seen so far is you taking threads a bit to seriously and telling people there logic is flawed, ergo, perhaps it's yours? Although the concept of logic and comic books is always funny.

 

[JackRembrandt]

Actually Miracleman dealt with the forgotten hero, with amade up past the original premise for Sentry. Supreme had a mechanised fortress run by a computer like Cloc. They all dealt with a Superman. You don't have to focus on the personality disorders as the main element for Sentry stories, I think perhaps you are imagining comics writers to have imaginations as limited as yours.

When the Sentry literally is the Void, to avoid that aspect of the character would piss-poor characterization. You can call my creativity limited, if I can call your characterization bad.

All i've seen so far is you taking threads a bit to seriously and telling people there logic is flawed, ergo, perhaps it's yours? Although the concept of logic and comic books is always funny.

I've one person that their logic is flawed. And it was. You keep bringing this accusations up against me, but I'm still waiting for some actual examples.

 

[Whirlysplat]

There are definitely certain things that are absolutes. Bendis sucking is one. Liefeld sucking is another one.

In regards to Bendis "Powers" was brilliant. I am not a Liefield fan, but some are so the statement is subjective.

 

[JackRembrandt]

In regards to Bendis "Powers" was brilliant. I am not a Liefield fan, but some are so the statement is subjective.

Powers was brilliant for the first few storyarcs. Past that, I'd say the general consensus is that it's gotten extremely boring. But, you like what you like, right?

I personally still regard his Daredevil run as my favorite on the book.

 

[Whirlysplat]

When the Sentry literally is the Void, to avoid that aspect of the character would piss-poor characterization. You can call my creativity limited, if I can call your characterization bad

You get that's one writers interpretation of Sentry? Nothing is constant in comics.

I've one person that their logic is flawed. And it was. You keep bringing this accusations up against me, but I'm still waiting for some actual examples.

Yup, Gluon but in the space of a few posts another member is wrong and i misread your post. That's three in about an hour. The proof in my case is the post at the top of the page.

Relax it's only a thread Jack.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Powers was brilliant for the first few storyarcs. Past that, I'd say the general consensus is that it's gotten extremely boring. But, you like what you like, right?

The general consensus from those who find it boring yes.

But, you like what you like, right?

Now you're getting it, freedom to enjoy what you like based on personal preferance.

I personally still regard his Daredevil run as my favorite on the book.

Personal choice you see.

 

[JackRembrandt]

For someone who's against making statements on subjective things, you sure do your fair share of it.

You get that's one writers interpretation of Sentry? Nothing is constant in comics.

And most would agree that that's a bad thing, buddy. And the Sentry being the Void is certainly not one writer's interpretation. It is who he is. Period. Anything else would either be mischaracterization or a retcon. Or both. Saying otherwise is like saying that it's one writer's interpretation that Peter Parker is Spider-Man.

Yup, Gluon but in the space of a few posts another member is wrong and i misread your post. That's three in about an hour. The proof in my case is the post at the top of the page.

Relax it's only a thread Jack.

Wow, I'm lost. Three in about an hour? I'm not a math genuis, but you and Gluon make two, if I'm not mistaken. Are you going by the "magic bullet theory" or something?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You logic is extremely flawed. You're saying that because his past stories have sucked, he must be nearly impossible to write. If that were true, then Spider-Man would be impossible to write; based on your logic, that is.

And don't forget that formulas are not inherently bad. Done correctly, formuliac stories can be as enjoyable as any other.

Did you... did you just use a comparison value that I didn't use, and then implied that I used it?

 

[JackRembrandt]

Did you... did you just use a comparison value that I didn't use, and then implied that I used it?

No, I think I just pointed out the ridiculousness of your statement.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, I think I just pointed out the ridiculousness of your statement.

But you did. You DID in fact use a comparison value I didn't use, then said that I used it to formulate how I thought about the subject.

 

[Whirlysplat]

For someone who's against making statements on subjective things, you sure do your fair share of it.



And most would agree that that's a bad thing, buddy. And the Sentry being the Void is certainly not one writer's interpretation. It is who he is. Period. Anything else would either be mischaracterization or a retcon. Or both. Saying otherwise is like saying that it's one writer's interpretation that Peter Parker is Spider-Man.



Wow, I'm lost. Three in about an hour? I'm not a math genuis, but you and Gluon make two, if I'm not mistaken. Are you going by the "magic bullet theory" or something?

You don't have to be a maths genius you told Shapeshifter his ersonal observation was wrong based on your opinion. That's three.

Retconns are neither good nor bad, they are life enjoy the stories and relax. Don't get all aggressive "buddy", it's just a thread on comic books.

Relax.

 

[shapeshifter]

There are definitely certain things that are absolutes. Bendis sucking is one. Liefeld sucking is another one.

these guys must have done something right if they have jobs.

 

[JackRembrandt]

But you did. You DID in fact use a comparison value I didn't use, then said that I used it to formulate how I thought about the subject.

You're basing how difficult or not Strange is to write on how many cancelled titles he's had and how many bad stories he's had. Do you know how many cancelled titles Spider-Man has? Or how many bad stories he's had? LOTS. And he's easy to get right.

That's how your logic is flawed. I mean, seriously. Using sales as a basis for your argument? That's like saying that because The Loners aren't getting picked up for an ongoing, that must mean it's because they're hard to write.

 

[JackRembrandt]

You don't have to be a maths genius you told Shapeshifter his ersonal observation was wrong based on your opinion. That's three.

Retconns are neither good nor bad, they are life enjoy the stories and relax. Don't get all aggressive "buddy", it's just a thread on comic books.

Relax.

I'm not being aggressive. You're being passive aggressive.

And are you talking about Shapeshifter's Wonder Man comment? Because if you are, why not bring up TheCorpulent1, since his opinion agrees with mine? Why single me out?