The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[Crowforge]

I'm a superman guy?
anywho, supes heat vision can probably cut through juggy helm, get that of and now you can hurt him. Stay out of range and blast him.

 

[Mr. Green]

Well, seeing as how Abomination is probably Hulk's most persistent foe this side of The Leader (perhaps even moreso), what does that say about The Hulk that his archfoe is "a chump"?

I said that because Hulk has been kicking Abomination's ass consistantly for some time now. I was saying he was a chump compared to Hulk. One could make the same argument for Spidey and Doc Ock. And damn, you sure like to nit-pick at everything I say.

All I said was that 616 Hulk was stronger than Ultimate Hulk and that Ultimate Hulk has beaten Ultimate Thor. Both are facts. And now you won't stop reading into every post I make. What's the deal?

 

[Mr. Green]

Kurse would probably kill the Hulk, and the armour would almost definitely kill the Hulk. There would be a small chance of the host being nearby.

If Thor could beat him, Hulk can beat him.

Thor beat him by becoming just as strong by putting on that belt. Hulk could beat him by becoming stronger by getting pissed.

But yes, Hulk vs. Kurse would be AWESOME.

 

[Cyclops]

I said that because Hulk has been kicking Abomination's ass consistantly for some time now. I was saying he was a chump compared to Hulk. One could make the same argument for Spidey and Doc Ock. And damn, you sure like to nit-pick at everything I say.

All I said was that 616 Hulk was stronger than Ultimate Hulk and that Ultimate Hulk has beaten Ultimate Thor. Both are facts. And now you won't stop reading into every post I make. What's the deal?

I just think that "chump" is an erroneous term to use, especially in terms of a hero's archfoe. The rules of hero and villain is that the villain has to lose. That's the rule. So does that make all villains comparative chumps to the hero? No. Magneto is not a chump compared to the X-Men because they beat him. Dr. Doom is not a chump compared to the Fantastic Four because they beat him. Mandarin is not a chump compared to Iron Man because he beats him. And so-on and soforth.

The deal is that this thread is a rampant example of "fanboy aura-ism". The Hulk in particular is a terrible victim of this. So many of his online fans like to paint him as this indestructible undefeatable force of nature that is so much more powerful than anything in existence that nothing at all poses a threat to him, and when anyone questions that logic, the aura-granters tend to get defensive, dig themselves deep into denial, and post pictures of said character winning confrontations to "prove a point". And I would argue that it demeans the character. A protagonist without vulnerabilities, without peers is terribly dull and would not last. Seeing as how the Hulk has lasted, it is clear that he does have vulnerabilities and that there are other characters who can fight on his level.

Yes, the Hulk is formidable. No he is not indestructible. He can be beaten and he has been beaten, and there are plenty of heroes and villains who can match up to the Hulk because they have. And it seems that I have gone off on an extreme tangent.

Bottom line - Abomination isn't a chump. Not compared to Hulk, not compared to anyone. Abomination is one of many credible threats to the Hulk, or he would not have lasted as one of his archenemies.

 

[US Agent]

You actually think that supes heat vision would cut through juggy's helmut? Yeah that'll happen....sure. Hey let me explain something about Juggernaut (because you obviously know 2 things jack and spit and jack left town) he has gone toe-to toe with Hulk without any armor at all! And WON (even though Hulk didn't know who he was, but was still punching the crap out of each other)! Cyclops' blasts ARE however more powerful than your boy's! And he couldn't do it either, so don't think that just because your a fan of the "big blue ghey guy" doesn't mean that you can get on HERE and start spouting off about guys would PWN bigblue. I would appreciate it if you didn't comment on heroes you didn't know about, making statements like you just made, make you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Cyclops]

Juggernaut is only at a fraction of his former power. Something tells me that Supes would have no problem taking the Juggernaut down at his current state.

 

[Mr. Green]

Bottom line - Abomination isn't a chump. Not compared to Hulk, not compared to anyone. Abomination is one of many credible threats to the Hulk, or he would not have lasted as one of his archenemies.

I can agree with that. Good post.

And I'm never going to say that nobody can match Hulk but there are two sides of threads like these. Side A tends to over rate the Hulk, and side B tends to under-rate the Hulk. I think it's just as bad to under-rate the Hulk so I'll always defend his character, and people call me a fan boy some times. I guess I am a fan boy because I am a pretty big Hulk fan, but I know that Hulk has limits and can be beaten.

Just so you know where I stand in the fan boy ranks. t:

 

[CBG]

Though, I question DACMAN's reliability in producing evidence (scans) since he was quite quick on the X-Man 1998 Annual, seemingly selective in his scans.

 

[US Agent]

Cyke I said original Juggy. When they fought (*cough* if you want to call it that, supes downed Juggy with a single punch) he was the original Juggernaut, you know the one that wants to troment Prof. X and smash the crap out of every X man he can find. That one (and he will be back too) is the one I was refering to. I don't know much about Caine in his current state and I agree that probably in his current state supes PROBABLY could beat the current Caine Marko. Sorry I should have made that clear earlier.

 

[GL1]

Whoa. I think we need to leave Superman out of this for three simple reasons.
1) Superman is only vulnerable to magic itself. Juggy's punches don't do extra damage to Superman because Juggy is attacking with fists, not magic. Being touched by magical items does not hurt or weaken Superman in any way... some are confusing his vulnerability to magic with his weakness to kryptonite.
2) Juggy moves mountains... maybe small continents... Superman moves moons, if not planets. Totally different weight class.
3) Superman has beaten Doomsday a half dozen times at this point, even an army of Doomsday clones.

Juggernaut is quite powerful, don't get me wrong... I don't see any way Superman can "K.O." Juggernaut, but the idea of Superman, flying with ranged attacks and superior speed and strength getting whooped on by Juggernaut is just laughable. That said, Nico "Sister Grimm" Minorou would rip Superman a new one in a matter of moments.

And on this topic: I like to see Hulk rip through the ranks of most heroes we love and enjoy, I like him as a dangerous nigh-unstoppable force... a Mr. Hyde that is only stopped by taking advantage of Dr. Banner's delicate psychology.

 

[CBG]

Technically, Superman only beat Doomsday three times.

First ended with his death.

The second was the Imperiex-Doomsday, when DD attained sentience.

Third was a KO with assistance from E2 Superman.

The DD clones by Darkseid were far inferior when compared to the original. Even Batman was able to take some out with explosive Batarangs.

In Hunter-Prey, DD had the upper-hand. Superman had to resolve in using a Boomtube to trap DD at the end of time, where Entropy killed it.

Post-Zero Hour, DD was lured to the teleporters, which incapcitated him.

 

[ang_hulk]

gotta say juggernaut vs superman would be interesting but only for a second,just to see how superman would react to him,then hed get beatin up.Hulk in maestro formed killed him so he can be killed and hurt and cut and disembowed but superman wouldent do things like that,at the end of the day juggernauts a human being which makes him lucky in supermans eyes,has superman even destroyed an omac? anyways,hulk vs juggernaut wouldent be one sided and it would be interesting but i have to put the win to superman if he really gave it his all.Im SPEAKING ONLY ABOUT JUGGERNAUT.??I also want to point out that id rather see hulk take on doomsday for a month stright then hulk take on superman for ten issues,just to see how they both advanced.


I still say cyclops blast isnt that effective,agian,any proof of it moving hulk at all?

 

[US Agent]

Juggernaut would do more damage to superman than Hulk would. That's just the bottom line, hell Hulk's just a human too doesn't really mean anything, so I don't understand what you are talking about when you said that ang_hulk?

 

[Crowforge]

He's a hulk fan.

 

[Mad Bull]

Juggernaut would do more damage to superman than Hulk would. That's just the bottom line, hell Hulk's just a human too doesn't really mean anything, so I don't understand what you are talking about when you said that ang_hulk?

I dunno if I agree with that. As far as I know, Juggernaut doesn't get any faster. Hulk, on the other hand, does. Juggernaut could not be physically harmed by Superman, but he'd be hard pressed to land a punch of his own, I think.

 

[Canadian Rider]

I think that this thread is interesting. When the "hulkies" are given evidence, they contradict it with no true facts. If the question is who has beaten the Hulk in the comics ... well there seems to be a lot of times he has lost. Therefore it logically appears that there are several characters who can hold their own, or in fact prevail.

I misuderstood the question, because if the question is who CAN beat the Hulk, in a story not written, take into account how many characters do not fight to the death.

If it is a fight to the death ... Johnny B. all the way baby! The dude has been to hell and back and come back from the dead. If the Ghost Rider wanted to kill the Hulk, dude is toast. Same with Superman, Green Lantern and any of the others who have already been previously noted.

Cheers! 86 to go!

This is where Dacman goes crazy with posts of pictures of stories not yet written ...

 

[Sloth7d]

I dunno if I agree with that. As far as I know, Juggernaut doesn't get any faster. Hulk, on the other hand, does. Juggernaut could not be physically harmed by Superman, but he'd be hard pressed to land a punch of his own, I think.

I think he's mainly refering to the fact that Juggs powers are magic based and if he hit him it would penetrate his invulnerability. But I don't see Jugss lasting even four pages against Supes personally.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I don't know, Juggs was punched from one side of America to the other, and he was fine after that.

 

[Mad Bull]

I don't know, Juggs was punched from one side of America to the other, and he was fine after that.

Indeed. As far as I know, Supes can only attack him physically. Juggernaut is physically invulnerable. Hence, Juggernaut could last forever against any onslaught of attacks from Superman. Whether he could beat him, though, is much less certain. He has infinite strength (supposedly) but I don't know that it spills over into speed or any other physical abilities. Wouldn't do him a lot of good if Superman won't let himself get hit.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I believe Juggs has infinite stamina too.

I don't know if Juggs has infinite strength though. I'm pretty sure he's only mid to upper range Hulk.

 

[Mad Bull]

I believe Juggs has infinite stamina too.

I don't know if Juggs has infinite strength though. I'm pretty sure he's only mid to upper range Hulk.

Well, he was never capped, I don't think (classic Juggernaut).

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, he was never capped, I don't think (classic Juggernaut).

Yeah, classic Juggernaut wasn't capped, he seemed infinite.

 

[Vanguard07]

Juggernaut (classic) wouldnt be able to do any more damage to Superman than anyone else with his level of strength.
His strength comes from magic but what he does with it is not magic. It's physics. He'd be hard pressed to do enough damage to Superman to beat him (not saying he couldnt cause his strength was technically limitless).

Some factors in Juggernaut's favor:
-He has theoretically limitless strength
-Limitless stamina, does not need to eat, drink, breathe, etc.
-Has a MAGIC forcefield that makes him impervious to harm.
(the forcefield being magic would give it an added advantage against superman. Physically no matter how strong superman is he would be unable to harm Juggernaut and would have to rely on other tactics.)
-Has a magic property that allows him to be unstoppable. Once he begins moving he cannot be stopped by anything but himself. (I assume "anything" would include Superman)
-Has significant regenerative abilities (been reduced to nothing but a skeleton, been stabbed in the eye, recovered etc)

Looking at their actual abilities I dont think either would be able to beat the other. I think the fight would go till it was interrupted or until one of them quit.
If it WERE to be resolved I personally would think that Juggernaut would be the victor (after getting lucky enough to have caught Superman despite his speed)
All in all i'd put odds on it resulting in a tie 85 times out of 100 and Juggernaut winning 10 out of 100 if written realistically

 

[US Agent]

Thank you guys for seeing what I was talking about. there is no way that supes can physically hurt Juggy. why do these superman fans think thatthe fight would only last a couple of pages....WTFE more like a week or so. If supes ever made the mistake of grabbing juggy he'd get smashed into the ground with a magically enhanced fist that WOULD hurt the hell out of supes. If he kept it up he would and could kill Clark! Like I said you supes fans think that Doomsday did a number on your boy this guy would almost do the same, the only difference is that Juggy (original) is more ivulnerable tha doomsday is or was at the time of supes death. So it's kinda STUPID to say otherwise, I mean you guy's say "I mean.....he could just fly up and shhot Juggernaut with his heat vision, or ....or.... grab him by his feet and throw him into the sun." This isn't Soul Caliber guys I don't call a "ring out" a loss! And neither should you! If you want to play Soul Caliber grab your joystick and watch Siegfried smack Zelda around all you want but that (to me) isn't considered a LOSS!

 

[US Agent]

War (Hulk) did actually stop him though (damn I wish I had a scanner). Besides supes stamina isn't limitless, he would eventually tire out and get smashed! While Juggy (as Vanguard just stated) has no limit to his stamina. It's kinda obvious to me you have 2 guys, guy one (juggy) can hurt the other which obviously be guy 2 (supes), guy one has infinte stamina, guy 2 has limits to his, guy one has more strength than guy 2. Isn't this obvious? I mean take the 2 names out of the fight and youu can see it plain as day! Come on man, get over the whole "superman can't loose to anybody!" crap...I'm sick of it!