The Strongest In The Marvel Universe?

[Phenomenal]

Wrong. There are dozens of characters more powerful than the Hulk. He's no cosmic or reality warper.

Depends on which Cosmics and Reality Warpers you are talking about? I have seen Thor make a cosmic run away, I have seen Reality Warpers pwned before. It really depends on the individual.

Not to mention Hulk beat a Cosmic entity in Zom/Strange.

 

[CBG]

Depends on which Cosmics and Reality Warpers you are talking about? I have seen Thor make a cosmic run away, I have seen Reality Warpers pwned before. It really depends on the individual.

By cosmics, I mean Living Tribunal, Cosmological Compass, Celestials, etc.

By reality warpers, I mean Mad Jim Jaspers, Scarlet Witch, Jamie Braddock, etc.

Not to mention Hulk beat a Cosmic entity in Zom/Strange.

Greg Pak cleared some of that up. Basically, Zom's power was channelled through Strange's body. Hulk was able to withstand Strange's attack enough to counter and defeat Strange by (as expected) physically beating down on his body. Since Zom himself did not come back, Pak more or less said that "Earth remained on its axis."

You can more or less read the interview here: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130244&highlight=war+room

There's also the bit where Dr. Strange could have killed him if he chose to (albiet at the cost of his soul).

And as powerful World War Hulk is, he's the top dog. For example, to say he's more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet is stupidity.

 

[Phenomenal]

By cosmics, I mean Living Tribunal, Cosmological Compass, Celestials, etc.

By reality warpers, I mean Mad Jim Jaspers, Scarlet Witch, Jamie Braddock, etc.

Why in the world would you even use someone like the Living Tribunal? We all know that Hulk can't defeat that type of cosmic.

Mad Jim Jaspers got beat by the Fury, Scarlet Witch lost to Strange IIRC. Reality Warpers are not unbeatable...Far from it.

Greg Pak cleared some of that up. Basically, Zom's power was channelled through Strange's body. Hulk was able to withstand Strange's attack enough to counter and defeat Strange by (as expected) physically beating down on his body. Since Zom himself did not come back, Pak more or less said that "Earth remained on its axis."

You can more or less read the interview here: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130244&highlight=war+room

There's also the bit where Dr. Strange could have killed him if he chose to (albiet at the cost of his soul).

Ah, Great!

Greg Pak:"In Strange's defense, he didn't release Zom in the flesh the way he did back in the day -- instead Strange channeled Zom's power through his own body. That's probably one of the reasons the Earth remains on its axis. (For now, anyway...)."

Wow he cleared that up. Not too mention Strange had problems trying to control Zom's power.

Did you notice how Pak said Hulk "is the strongest person on Earth?"

And as powerful World War Hulk is, he's the top dog. For example, to say he's more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet is stupidity.

Who said that?

 

[CBG]

Why in the world would you even use someone like the Living Tribunal? We all know that Hulk can't defeat that type of cosmic.

I don't mean to be offensive, but at times, DACMAN and DevilHulk post in such a manner that they suggest that Hulk is the most powerful character in comics.

Mad Jim Jaspers got beat by the Fury,

Fury's special power was to adapt accordingly. If I remember correctly, its creator, another Mad Jim Jaspers, rendered it immune to reality warping.

Scarlet Witch lost to Strange IIRC.

You mean when she was KO'd by Strange in Disassembled? He couldn't sufficiently oppose her in House of M, once she started warping reality. And her "No more mutants" spell affected alternate timelines as well, not just the 616. Strange can't reverse it without putting reality itself into serious jeopardy, possibly destroying it by even trying.

Reality Warpers are not unbeatable...Far from it.

Depends on which you choose.

Ah, Great!

Greg Pak:"In Strange's defense, he didn't release Zom in the flesh the way he did back in the day -- instead Strange channeled Zom's power through his own body. That's probably one of the reasons the Earth remains on its axis. (For now, anyway...)."

Wow he cleared that up. Not too mention Strange had problems trying to control Zom's power.

Did you notice how Pak said Hulk "is the strongest person on Earth?"

By what? Physical strength or most powerful? The former, that's understandable. The latter, it'd contradict with the "Dr. Strange being able to kill Hulk" statements in WWH #2 and #3.

On a side-note, there's also Wanda and Franklin Richards as well. The former may or may not retain her powers (see NA #26: Ballad of Clint and Wanda) and the latter still retained his powers (198 Files).

Who said that?

Just making an example, about earlier.

 

[Phenomenal]

I don't mean to be offensive, but at times, DACMAN and DevilHulk post in such a manner that they suggest that Hulk is the most powerful character in comics.

Fury's special power was to adapt accordingly. If I remember correctly, its creator, another Mad Jim Jaspers, rendered it immune to reality warping. You mean when she was KO'd by Strange in Disassembled? He couldn't sufficiently oppose her in House of M, once she started warping reality. And her "No more mutants" spell affected alternate timelines as well, not just the 616. Strange can't reverse it without putting reality itself into serious jeopardy, possibly destroying it by even trying.

Exactly MJJ was beat and other could beat him as well, Franklin Richards, Onslaught etc. Yes, that's when Strange beat Scarlett witch but reality warping can be overcome with enough spirit and will-power. Reality Warpers are not unbeatable.

By what? Physical strength or most powerful? The former, that's understandable. The latter, it'd contradict with the "Dr. Strange being able to kill Hulk" statements in WWH #2 and #3.

On a side-note, there's also Wanda and Franklin Richards as well. The former may or may not retain her powers (see NA #26: Ballad of Clint and Wanda) and the latter still retained his powers (198 Files).

Yeah but Pak said the "strongest guy on Earth!" When some people say strongest, they may mean power (overall)! But who knows what Pak meant with the strongest statement.

 

[CBG]

Exactly MJJ was beat and other could beat him as well, Franklin Richards, Onslaught etc.

The thing is with 616 Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch is that they're reality warpers that affected more than one universe. The former threaten the entire omniverse and the latter altered entire alternate timelines ridding them of mutants and caused a Chaos Wave that nearly devolved creation. Those kind of multiversal feats puts them up there with the high cosmics, and that topic opens an entire can of worms of debate and inquiry.

Yes, that's when Strange beat Scarlett witch but reality warping can be overcome with enough spirit and will-power.

Example?

Reality Warpers are not unbeatable.

Of course not.

Yeah but Pak said the "strongest guy on Earth!" When some people say strongest the mean power! But who knows what Pak meant with the strongest statement.

Even if he meant that, all of Hulk's abilities are insufficient against certain powers.

 

[Phenomenal]

The thing is with 616 Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch is that they're reality warpers that affected more than one universe. The former threaten the entire omniverse and the latter altered entire alternate timelines ridding them of mutants and caused a Chaos Wave that nearly devolved creation. Those kind of multiversal feats puts them up there with the high cosmics, and that topic opens an entire can of worms of debate and inquiry.

Yep, but then they get beat by characters like the Fury or Strange and then we go "what happend to all of that Multiversal altering power in BATTLE?"t:

Example?

Thanos, Superman, Hell even Silver Surfer I believe resisted the SOUL GEM(which could fall under reality warp)!

Even if he meant that, all of Hulk's abilities are insufficient against certain powers.

Maybe maybe not. We will never know until we see a fight.

 

[CBG]

Yep, but then they get beat by characters like the Fury or Strange and then we go "what happend to all of that Multiversal altering power in BATTLE?"t:

Wanda's powers weren't fully under her control in Disassembled. Which was how Strange was able to stop her then, and only then. By his own admission, he failed to stop Wanda in House of M and thus his duty as Sorcerer Supreme, which is to prevent or stop such catastrophies.

Although her mind was still a mess in House of M, she was able to control them to a certain degree. Although, one could say that they are tied with her emotional state. When Quicksilver was nearly killed, Emma said that provoking Wanda at that point would have resulted them being wiped out of existence without her knowing it. And then there was "no more mutants".

In a battle, depending on her emotions and state of mind, she'd most likely self-destruct, taking the opposition and perhaps reality itself with her.

Fury is arguably the ideal non-cosmic threat against a reality warper. Created by one, rendered to be immune to reality warping, and active adaption like A.M.A.Z.O. in JLU.

Thanos,

You mean when he traversed the dimensions to find the In-Betweener and steal his Infinity Gem? Indeed, he was able to withstand the stresses. But it'd be a huge claim to say that Thanos could withstand being altered by powers like the HOTU or the IG.

Superman,

You mean the feat with Torquasm-Vo?

Hell even Silver Surfer I believe resisted the SOUL GEM(which could fall under reality warp)!

Reality warping would be the Reality Gem. Soul Gem is the soul.

Maybe maybe not. We will never know until we see a fight.

Outside of writer's ignorance/stupidity, you can't seriously consider the possibility of Hulk defeating a power, like, the HOTU?

 

[DACMAN]

In terms of physical strength or being the most powerful character in comic books?

I seriously hope you're not talking about the latter.

I used the word strongest. And strength is the topic of this thread.

 

[DoomRulz]

I used the word strongest. And strength is the topic of this thread.

But for w/e reason we keep arguing in circles about why <insert Cosmic character here> is more powerful than the Hulk

 

[DACMAN]

For the sex lives of all the posters who constantly repost the same **** here over n over - someone lock this thread please! They need to get out!!!!!

I don't know about you monkey boy but I just got some. One of the MANY perks of being married to a hottie. Why buy the cow when the milk is free? Because I can get the milk whenever I want it.

 

[DACMAN]

But for w/e reason we keep arguing in circles about why <insert Cosmic character here> is more powerful than the Hulk

He's stronger than them all. That's the topic of the thread. These guys keep wanting to bring up power levels. We're talking about strength.

 

[DoomRulz]

He's stronger than them all. That's the topic of the thread. If you're saying he's not more powerful, then you're the one off topic.

My point exactly.

 

[DACMAN]

My bad. I made an edit before this post. I miss understood.

 

[Phenomenal]

Wanda's powers weren't fully under her control in Disassembled. Which was how Strange was able to stop her then, and only then. By his own admission, he failed to stop Wanda in House of M and thus his duty as Sorcerer Supreme, which is to prevent or stop such catastrophies.

Although her mind was still a mess in House of M, she was able to control them to a certain degree. Although, one could say that they are tied with her emotional state. When Quicksilver was nearly killed, Emma said that provoking Wanda at that point would have resulted them being wiped out of existence without her knowing it. And then there was "no more mutants".

In a battle, depending on her emotions and state of mind, she'd most likely self-destruct, taking the opposition and perhaps reality itself with her.

Fury is arguably the ideal non-cosmic threat against a reality warper. Created by one, rendered to be immune to reality warping, and active adaption like A.M.A.Z.O. in JLU.

So basically Wanda could get MIND raped, and characters like Fury or Psylocke could own Reality Warpers bad!!

You mean when he traversed the dimensions to find the In-Betweener and steal his Infinity Gem? Indeed, he was able to withstand the stresses. But it'd be a huge claim to say that Thanos could withstand being altered by powers like the HOTU or the IG.

True, I was just showing you how Will-power or a strong spirit can resist Reality altering.

You mean the feat with Torquasm-Vo?

Not only then, Supes did it against Etrigan with SHEER WILL-POWER!

Reality warping would be the Reality Gem. Soul Gem is the soul.

Ah, yes.

Outside of writer's ignorance/stupidity, you can't seriously consider the possibility of Hulk defeating a power, like, the HOTU?

LOL, indeed.

 

[CBG]

So basically Wanda could get MIND raped,

Indeed. But there's also the possibility of her powers also flaring up in response, and pull off the "wipe you out of existence" thing. Xavier did his best to psychically counsel her, but that was dwindling in effect as time went by.

and characters like Fury or Psylocke could own Reality Warpers bad!!

Not Psylocke.

Yes, she is rendered immune to reality warping with regards to her own being/body.

BUT she can be killed in the more conventional ways, as Jamie stated. Death by headshot, decapitation, suffocation, etc. And reality warping can do that, kill her indirectly. For example, alter the environment into a fatal one: create a room of Adamantium around her without any air inside suffocating her; have bullets come from all directions possible at insane speeds; turn the air into fatal poison gases. Psylocke's RW defense doesn't extend outside her own person. Reality warpers can indirectly kill Psylocke in a variety of ways.

In addition, her "alterations" by Jamie -- immune to reality warping and telepathy -- aren't absolute, at least with the latter. Two characters, implied to be cosmics, were able to read Psylocke's mind despite Jamie altering it to be unreadable.

True, I was just showing you how Will-power or a strong spirit can resist Reality altering.

Understandable, but there's degrees to consider.

Not only then, Supes did it against Etrigan with SHEER WILL-POWER!

Do you have an issue # or scan? I've yet to come across this.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

When Thanos was traveling to the place where the In Betweener was imprisoned he traveled through various dimensions and endured the conditions in those dimensions. That is not reality warping, not even close.

 

[DoomRulz]

My bad. I made an edit before this post. I miss understood.

No worries dude, I kno sarcasm is hard to pick up on in forums.

 

[†~AntiChrist~†]

Not that hard

 

[Ockham]

The Hulk's strength is most commonly pictured as a monotonically increasing function of his rage. That is, it is not infinite. It starts as finite and remains finite at any time (no matter how arbitrarily large it might get). Thus the Living Tribunal and anyone who wields the Infinity Gauntlet are trivially stronger, since their physical strength is infinite. The strongest beings in the MU are those with infinite strength; the set of such beings is non-empty but the Hulk is NOT a member of this set.

The (WW)Hulk's strength is pretty much equal to the classic Juggernaut's, that's it.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

When Thanos was traveling to the place where the In Betweener was imprisoned he traveled through various dimensions and endured the conditions in those dimensions. That is not reality warping, not even close.

EXACTLY.

 

[herakles]

I don't know about you monkey boy but I just got some. One of the MANY perks of being married to a hottie. Why buy the cow when the milk is free? Because I can get the milk whenever I want it.

nice to hear your married to a "hottie" What's HIS name?!!

 

[Harlekin]

Ben Grimm aka the Thing.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

So I guess Hulk didn't beat Black Bolt.

 

[DACMAN]

nice to hear your married to a "hottie" What's HIS name?!!

Your mom.