Comics The SUPERIOR Spider-Man - Part 2

[Vid Electricz]

This was your original post...

You said that everything will return like all this Doc Ock stuff never happened.
If this is the case, then Spider-Man will still be an Avenger and trusted by other heroes & Peter's life will be pretty good without struggles between trying to have a normal life and his responsibility to being Spider-Man.

This has been the current status quo for Peter Parker/Spider-Man for almost 25 years... What I described was a return to his original roots. Yes, it's a return to a former status quo, but you eluded that things were going to return to the way things were a year ago.

Either way, it's not moving the character forward. It's an excuse to regress the character in an attempt to catch some of the energy and pathos from his "glory days".

 

[Vid Electricz]

Serialized fiction means that the stories will never end, and at some point, like we have seen many times over the years, the stories do get cyclical. And to many of us, we have to "move" on... you wouldn't be the first nor will you be the last...

True. Every comic is someone's first.

Still, I believe it's possible to tell new and interesting stories without resorting to "earth shattering" gimmicks every other arc like they've been completely reliant on for about 10 years now.

 

[Themanofbat]

Either way, it's not moving the character forward. It's an excuse to regress the character in an attempt to catch some of the energy and pathos from his "glory days".

I agree to a certain point... though nobody's complaining when they returned Batman to his darker days of the late 1930's back in 1968, and then in 1985... sometimes, it works... other times... not so much.

True. Every comic is someone's first.

Still, I believe it's possible to tell new and interesting stories without resorting to "earth shattering" gimmicks every other arc like they've been completely relaint on for aabout 10 years now.

I agree.

Having my mind "blown" every other month has just resulted in serious headaches... largely in part to the anti-climactic stories where said "mind blowing" event fails to live up to expectations...

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I realize that from a marketing/financial standpoint that this is a necessary evil as it has to do with maintaining the character's longevity in the medium...but ultimately, it becomes very boring and redundant for those of us interested in a character that grows and changes and evolves (which is the entire point of a "character". Especially one like Peter Parker who we are expected to relate to on a very human level).

Guess I'm just at the point of being bored by the whole "Spider-Man must stop Doc Ock from taking over the world/destroying the city, etc..." when there are never going to be any actual long term changes/consequences on the character.

I wonder, if new younger characters caught on better, if we'd ever see a time where Cap, Iron Man, Cyclops, etc all died off or just got old and retired and the stars of comic books were people like Speedball, Justice, some Young Avengers, some Young X-Men just grown up. My point is, I'm 28 now, will I be reading about X-Men vs sentinels when I'm 90? Alsom how long can you stretch the suspension of disbelief that these characters age VERY slowly. If Iron Man still looks to be in his mid-30s in 100 years(assuming comics survive that long), who's gonna be ok w/ that?

Serialized fiction means that the stories will never end, and at some point, like we have seen many times over the years, the stories do get cyclical. And to many of us, we have to "move" on... you wouldn't be the first nor will you be the last...

Hm, I've never looked at the "big picture" like you've phrased it before. So essentially we read comics for a long period of time where nothing really changes and then we stop or die. Then the next generation of comic fans have to read essentially the same stories just written by a new generation of writers?

 

[Themanofbat]

Hm, I've never looked at the "big picture" like you've phrased it before. So essentially we read comics for a long period of time where nothing really changes and then we stop or die. Then the next generation of comic fans have to read essentially the same stories just written by a new generation of writers?

Pretty much... and we've seen it before...

Marvel Comics in the 60's & 70's were written by people whose influences were movies & books from a different time/generation, and it new and refreshing to young impressionable minds...

... moving to the 1990's, many of those kids who grew up reading Marvel Comics in the 60's/70's are now in a position to write for Marvel Comics... and what happened in the 90's? A LOT of rehashed story lines from the 60's and 70's...

It got so bad that the industry had to go out of the medium and bring in talent who wasn't influenced by comics... TV writers, novelists, etc...

 

[runawayboulder]

I can't really argue that because if I was a Marvel writer, I'd be writing stories influenced by the 80's and early 00's comics era that I loved.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I can't really argue that because if I was a Marvel writer, I'd be writing stories influenced by the 80's and early 00's comics era that I loved.

Nothing beats the first 5 years of ASM

There is a difference between "influence" and straight up being a poor writer.

 

[KaineMorrison]

Well, Pete might be back in December....

 

[runawayboulder]

Well, Pete might be back in December....

Those are out of continuity stories.

 

[KaineMorrison]

i did say might....

 

[Shockdingo]

Huh...so in Darkest Hours Flash may lose the symbiote. Some of us on the Venom site were worried that SPock would get it, but from the solicts I just read, it looks like it's going to be another thorn in his side....huh. So either it begins operating on its own, or someone else gets it, or it's a fake out and the suppression Flash has been utilizing wears off.

 

[Themanofbat]

Those are out of continuity stories.

No... they are in continuity... but in the past... more "Untold Tales of Spider-Man"...

 

[WolfCypher]

Huh...so in Darkest Hours Flash may lose the symbiote. Some of us on the Venom site were worried that SPock would get it, but from the solicts I just read, it looks like it's going to be another thorn in his side....huh. So either it begins operating on its own, or someone else gets it, or it's a fake out and the suppression Flash has been utilizing wears off.

A few years later, and I'm still going to throw in Vin Gonzalez's as a Venom candidate.

 

[runawayboulder]

No... they are in continuity... but in the past... more "Untold Tales of Spider-Man"...

Um, I thought it was the same thing?

 

[Themanofbat]

Untold Tales are in continuity...

 

[runawayboulder]

 

[Picard Sisko]

Although the 616 universe is the best version of the Marvel Universe IMO, I think that its time that it came to an end. Nothing good has been brought to the 616 in recent years, and I think they should start a new Marvel Universe (same way Ultimate was introduced over 10 years ago). They should start fresh...

 

[The Infernal]

What runawayboulder said. lol

 

[Picard Sisko]

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Well its just my opinion, so please respect it. Since there are rumors that the Ultimate Universe is coming to an end, I see no reason to start another brand new Marvel Universe (even if they continue the 616).

 

[runawayboulder]

Well its just my opinion, so please respect it. Since there are rumors that the Ultimate Universe is coming to an end, I see no reason to start another brand new Marvel Universe (even if they continue the 616).

#1) I was clearly being sarcastic

#2) You're opinion is horrible

 

[Shockdingo]

I vote "No" to a reboot, I actually like how old the universe has gotten in some cases. Sadly, they're getting canceled, but Scarlet Spidey and Venom have been great, but couldn't take place in a fresh new universe. Red Hulk, who I HATED when he first showed up but now enjoy, is a character that needed time to evolve and grow out of "just being Thunderbolt Ross." I, at times had some issues, but have been liking what I've seen in Superior and while I'm waiting for Pete to come back, the pacing of this story and effectiveness of this story needs the looooong rivalry and terminal state of Ock and Spidey to be as effective.

I get why you want a fresh start, but looking at New 52, I'm worried at attempts to hastily compress decades worth of storylines into a few years or bringing in great new ideas but eventually diluting them by not being able to let go of legacy stories like the Phoenix Saga, Clone Saga, etc.

 

[jonathancrane]

I would prefer they not try to condense / selectively remove elements from continuity (that is one of the maneuver in the Bat series that has been infuriating: removing Arkham Asylum:AHOSE from continuity.) If they are going to fresh, go fresh; otherwise just keep going.

 

[runawayboulder]

Just tell good stories. It's as simple as that.

 

[JewishHobbit]

In modern day comics, good stories will always been hindered by events, crossovers, etc. Superior Spider-Man has been an exception (for those who enjoy it), but that's not exactly the norm.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I get why you want a fresh start, but looking at New 52, I'm worried at attempts to hastily compress decades worth of storylines into a few years or bringing in great new ideas but eventually diluting them by not being able to let go of legacy stories like the Phoenix Saga, Clone Saga, etc.

If Marvel can manage to redo what they did with the Ultimate universe, then it could certainly work again.

Aren't the "Season One" graphic novels almost like a reboot universe? Are they connected in any way, or is each one completely separate?

BTW

If anyone wants to read a modern graphic novel that goes back to the classic Stan Lee & Steve Ditko/John Romita Sr. eras of Spider-Man, please read "Spider-Man: Blue."