Comics The SUPERIOR Spider-Man - Part 2

[Will Nolte]

I seem to remember there was some rule against using thought "bubbles" in Marvel comics, instead the writers had to use thought "boxes". I've noticed that Slott's been using thought bubbles again, which I do like.

 

[Shockdingo]

I freakin' miss those things. It's like at some point in the 90s they just abruptly stopped using the thought bubbles. Why, I wonder?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I kinda prefer the narration boxes over the thought bubbles. It keeps the panels less cluttered.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I prefer the thought boxes over the balloons.

 

[jonathancrane]

I liked thought bubbles as part of the 60's and 70's comics, but not in modern comics. The fill unnecessary space in the page and are lazy writing by today's conventions.

 

[:eek:]

Something's unneccssary in modern comics is how they always feel the need to tell the readers where a certain scene takes place. "Horizon Labs", "Peter's apartment" or whatever it is. Feels like they treating readers like complete idiots who can't put two and two together. But this isn't just Spider-Man.

 

[runawayboulder]

Something's unneccssary in modern comics is how they always feel the need to tell the readers where a certain scene takes place. "Horizon Labs", "Peter's apartment" or whatever it is. Feels like they treating readers like complete idiots who can't put two and two together. But this isn't just Spider-Man.

For me it's the boxes that introduce a well known character with some lame attempt at being witty when describing them.

 

[ReignInBlood]

very minor complaint but I could do without the first page re-cap. That is one less page to move the story forward but I get why they do it.

 

[runawayboulder]

very minor complaint but I could do without the first page re-cap. That is one less page to move the story forward but I get why they do it.

Those I actually like. They serve several purposes including keeping the credits away from the pages where actual story are being told. Some of them are pretty creative as well, like the Bugle web site ones told in the voices of Betty, Nora ect...

 

[Compi716]

I seem to remember there was some rule against using thought "bubbles" in Marvel comics, instead the writers had to use thought "boxes". I've noticed that Slott's been using thought bubbles again, which I do like.

The thought bubbles give the book a very old-school feel, which I appreciate, as Stan Lee was the master of them. Thought boxes always seem like a very modern trope, which is fine.

The bubbles also work particularly well with a character like Spider-Man 2099, who is very much a product of the 90s.

 

[Will Nolte]

The thought bubbles give the book a very old-school feel, which I appreciate, as Stan Lee was the master of them. Thought boxes always seem like a very modern trope, which is fine.

The bubbles also work particularly well with a character like Spider-Man 2099, who is very much a product of the 90s.

I agree. As someone who really got into comics in the 90s, it is great seeing this all again.

 

[Dan_Slott]

Something's unneccssary in modern comics is how they always feel the need to tell the readers where a certain scene takes place. "Horizon Labs", "Peter's apartment" or whatever it is. Feels like they treating readers like complete idiots who can't put two and two together.

It's better to be clear than clever. I guarantee you, everyone time we don't do it, we get letters from people who are confused about when and where a scene took place. It takes next to no time to read a caption like that, and it helps ground each scene. I'm very proud of the fact that we have 8 year olds reading the Spidey books who can follow along with no problem.

very minor complaint but I could do without the first page re-cap. That is one less page to move the story forward but I get why they do it.

Every comic is somebody's first. And, in the case of a story that's in progress-- or on Part 2 or more of an ongoing arc-- these pages are really helpful. Also, this page is NOT included in those commissioned from a writer, penciler, inker, or colorist. It's purely an editorial page and there as an extra. You're still getting your 20 pages of art and story whether it's there or not. If it bugs you, you can always skip past it. Fair?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I've read maybe 3 recap pages since they started doing them, and those were mostly to see what Peter David's kid was up to.

But out of curiosity, why is it that from day 1 up until a few years ago, people could just pick up a comic and figure it out no matter how new they were. But apparently it's too difficult now? I'm not being sarcastic, as I figure it's probably true. Low attention span? Relaunches making it hard for new readers to search back issues for more information?

 

[Themanofbat]

I don't think that's exactly the case...

When I ran a Comic Shop from 1993 to 1997, a LOT of the X-Readers were established readers, and the convoluted story lines made it difficult for new readers to get into... and that was more than "a few years ago"... ;o

Having said that, early 60's/70's Marvel stories have always had a "recap" page for the most part, and they would be thought balloons of the character flashing back to how he/she got into this mess (current story line in question)

For a great illustration of this, check out Marvel team-Up #19 (Spidey & Ka-Zar) and #20 (Spidey & Black Panther). In MTU #20, Spidey has a one page flashback with a series of "highlights" of MTU #19, giving the reader background knowledge on how this story began.

I don't always read them, but I dig the recap papes and appreciate that they are there...

 

[ReignInBlood]

Every comic is somebody's first. And, in the case of a story that's in progress-- or on Part 2 or more of an ongoing arc-- these pages are really helpful. Also, this page is NOT included in those commissioned from a writer, penciler, inker, or colorist. It's purely an editorial page and there as an extra. You're still getting your 20 pages of art and story whether it's there or not. If it bugs you, you can always skip past it. Fair?

Like I said - I get why you provide the recap page. I DIDN'T realize the recap page was an extra. Never bothered to count the pages....Very cool, thanks for pointing that out.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Spoiler

Newsarama talked to the writer to find out more about "Goblin Nation," as well as the upcoming Venom arc, with Slott clearly implying that the Venom character might not survive the story.
Newsarama: Dan, what does it mean for Superior Spider-Man that Marvel is teasing the "rise of Goblin Nation?"
Dan Slott: Everything we've seen out of Octavius — the Superior Spider-Man, all the threats he's gone up against, we've seen him face off against Cardiac, against Screwball, against Vulture. We've seen him go up against a certain level of Spider-Man threats, and always bubbling in the background is the Green Goblin.
We really haven't seen the Green Goblin take a prominent role in the Spider-Man universe for awhile.
Think of everything that the Green Goblin has done in the world of Spider-Man, and think of everything that Doc Ock has done — Doc Ock is the guy who killed Peter Parker! You don't get better ranking points on villainy than that.
So you have two of Spider-Man's greatest foes — the two greatest foes — heading toward a collision.
This is the pay-off.
Nrama: It's tough to imagine this showdown, because as you said, it's not Peter Parker going up against Green Goblin — it's Octavius Spider-Man.
Slott: Yyyyep!
This is his greatest challenge to date. While he's been fighting all the crime in New York, we've already seen that — whether he meant to or not, unintentionally — he's helped the Green Goblin become the Goblin kingpin of all New York. He helped the Goblin rise to power.
This is the culmination of that.
If you look at everything in the Spider-Man run so far, it has all been setting up dominoes.
"Goblin Nation" is when we knock them all down.
Nrama: What's the meaning behind the title being "Nation?" Is this a Goblin army?
Slott: Yeah. There is a Goblin army, running through the Goblin underground. This is where Green Goblin and Superior Spider-Man go to war!
This is a crescendo. Marvel's been billing this as "the end." But what is this the end of?
Nrama: "Goblin Nation" starts in February. Do you want to tease anything that comes between now and when that storyline kicks off next year? You've been saying something on Twitter about one issue in particular...

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Slott: Yes! Something very major is going to happen in the last chapter of the "Spider-Man 2099" arc. Something very major is going to happen.
There's also going to be something that happens that is going to raise a lot of questions.
Everyone's going to go, "Wait a minute!! Wait wait wait wait — what just happened here?"
And at least one of two sequences, there's going to be people going, "Wait wait wait wait wait! They… what? Did they just…. hey!!"
So there are going to be many questions.
And those will be answered in Superior Spider-Man #26. They're going to be floating out there.
Nrama: And #27 starts the "Goblin Nation" storyline.
Slott: Yes. So watch out for issue #19. There's a very major moment that happens in #19, which will immediately have a major effect on Spider-Man's world. And then once we hit #20 and #21, which is a two-parter with Black Cat and Stunner, there's no other way to say it…. in 2014, there's going to be all this craziness happening, and people are going to be like, "Where did that start?" And I'll be like… #20 and #21.
When we had our big issue, #698, where we revealed the secret twist of the brain swap? That freaked everybody out. It was a big twist. And I was telling people, "You need #698! Because something's going to happen in it!"
Well, Superior #20 and #21, I wouldn't say it's a big "twist"… I would say, every couple of pages, there is a major, new development. Every couple pages of #20 — bam! — something happens. I can't say any more about that issue, because part of the fun for me is sitting back and twirling my mustache. Everyone is going to hit these moments in issue #20 and go, "Noooooo!!"
A lot of it comes from the fallout of [Superior Spider-Man] #19. But there are major developments that happen in #20 that will set the stage for a lot of what we're doing not only in 2014, but honestly, it's setting the stage for things that will affect the world of Spider-Man for years to come.
Nrama: Doesn't Superior Spider-Man #19 and #20 both come out this month, don't they? Both issues come out in October?
Slott: Yes! And that will finish up the "2099" arc. Everyone has seen Ryan Stegman do the "2099" arc gorgeously. And after #20 and #21 — the big, you know, "wha….??" issues — we're going into "Darkest Hour," with beautiful Humberto Ramos artwork. But it's also a Venom story with major Venom things a' brewing. And there's no Venom monthly book for Flash and the symbiote to go back to.
I cannot promise you anything about Flash, and I can't promise you anything about the symbiote.
Nrama: But there he's in Thunderbolts, am I right?
Slott: There is no Venom monthly book to go back to.
Nrama: OK. Fair enough.
Slott: And then our artist for issues #20 and #21 — and the whole "Goblin Nation" arc — is Giuseppe Camunicoli. And you look at the issues Giuseppe has done in Superior… every time Doc Ock has taken a life, Giuseppe has drawn it.
Everybody has gotten a chance on Superior to do, like, the big arcs. Humberto got to be the guy who did the "Dying Wish" arc. And Ryan has gotten to do a lot of the big arcs too. This is Giuseppe's time to have his big spotlight.
With "Goblin Nation"…. you know, once #20 comes out, I will have done, like, 100 issues of the core Spidey title. And when I look back, I think "Goblin Nation" might be the thing — for good or bad — that this is the one where people are going to go, "Yeah, we remember him for that story." You know? [Laughs.] And that's not necessarily a good thing; that could be a horrible thing! So I'm kind of scared! Because it's … "that's the story where blah blah happened!"
I've got a pit over here filled with people I've killed in Spider-Man. So I mean this in all seriousness: When you hit "Goblin Nation," all bets are off. No one is safe. No one is safe. This is Green Goblin. This is the guy who throws people off bridges. This is Doc Ock. This is the guy who killed Peter Parker. I'm sorry. No matter how long you've been in this book. No matter how long you've been in the Spider-Man universe. No matter who you are. I guarantee no one's safety.

Source: http://www.newsarama.com/19235-nycc...rior-spidey-shocker-toward-goblin-nation.html

 

[The Joker]

Fantastic interview. I am pumped for the Goblin arc. I can't wait to see how Octavius deals with the Goblin.

 

[Hobgoblin]

It's about time that the Green Goblin made his comeback. This sounds like fun.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I've loved what Slott has done so far and Goblin is my favorite villain, so I definitely cannot wait!

 

[Naked Shia]

I'm late, I've only read the first issue of the spidey 2099 arc, I need to catch up, but thinks are looking really promising!

 

[runawayboulder]

Bleeding Cool is reporting a pretty big spoiler for today's issue of Superior regarding Peter......

Spoiler

Spider-Man 2099 apparently goes digging for a Peter Parker memory....metaphorically, digging through the same rubble that buried Ghost Peter during his final confrontation with Doc Ock. A silhouette is seen breaking through the rocks in the background.

 

[Spiderhog]

Damn a lot has happend in this issue.

 

[stillanerd]

Bleeding Cool is reporting a pretty big spoiler for today's issue of Superior regarding Peter......

Spoiler

Spider-Man 2099 apparently goes digging for a Peter Parker memory....metaphorically, digging through the same rubble that buried Ghost Peter during his final confrontation with Doc Ock. A silhouette is seen breaking through the rocks in the background.

Well, to be more accurate

Spoiler

SpOck's not the one doing the digging...or rather doesn't realize that's what he's doing. Because in order to prevent the explosion at Horizon Labs that's about to happen, he needs the equation Peter used to stabilize Sajani Jaffery's artificial vibranium from Peter's very first day at Horizon Labs way back in Amazing Spider-Man #648. Unfortunately for Otto, the only memories he can recall are those he's previously accessed.

Oh, and check out how that certain silhouette freeing himself matches up with the memories Otto is recalling. Nice artistic touch by Stegman, I must say.

 

[Mr. Dent]

According to Bleeding Cool a Spider-Man 2099 comic was announced at NYCC to Marvel Unlimited Plus subscribers to be drawn by Simone Bianchi (Thanos Rising). The Comic Book Cast guy also reported this yesterday. I don't understand why this wasn't picked up by CBR or Newsarama.

 

[runawayboulder]

Well, to be more accurate

Spoiler

SpOck's not the one doing the digging...or rather doesn't realize that's what he's doing. Because in order to prevent the explosion at Horizon Labs that's about to happen, he needs the equation Peter used to stabilize Sajani Jaffery's artificial vibranium from Peter's very first day at Horizon Labs way back in Amazing Spider-Man #648. Unfortunately for Otto, the only memories he can recall are those he's previously accessed.

Oh, and check out how that certain silhouette freeing himself matches up with the memories Otto is recalling. Nice artistic touch by Stegman, I must say.

Yeah, I read that earlier today and then read the actual issue and saw how it played out a little differently than BC indicated. Oh well, the end result is the same. The seeds have been planted.