The Temple of Doomed Relationships

[SuperMike335!!]

So this isn't exactly a relationship issue, but I've mentioned before how it was always hard for me to be physical with a girl because I've never really been an assertive person and I've never really close enough to someone to feel comfortable enough to make any moves. But right now I'm in a play and my character has a girlfriend, and I'm being encouraged to be a little physical, like in terms of grabbing her hand or holding it for a while and its a little weird for me to get into that part of the role.

I know this girl since we were in the same acting class, and I'm cool with her boyfriend so they know my intentions are purely part of acting, but its still a little weird for me, even though I know this will actually help me break that barrier. But right now this is still a mental block that keeps me from fully committing to the role.

Method acting.

Imagine yourself as a brute, and who is selfish and rude and impolite and simply takes what he wants from women without ever asking.

Make this character in your mind and then see the world through his eyes.

Might that help?

Also, hug your co-actress. If I could suggest anything for actors who need to get used to being physical, I would suggest an exercise where you all get together and bear hug each other, and lift eachother off the ground and spin around a couple times.

This sounds silly, but a hug alone can break down the subconscious physical barrier, which does get in the way, like you say, for some people.

This is something I do on "dates" too. The first thing I do is "hug" the girl when she arives.

It seems very innocent to most women. Women regularly hug each other as they are less territorial than men. It also subconsciously puts you in her physical comfort zone, so later when you make a move, she is already more comfortable with it.

You can talk to your director, or whoever is in charge of this, and run the line up and bearhug exercise past him, and explain why.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

I'd say as long as you're reasonably certain there is no sex involved and as long as she's not like spending time at his place alone, then there's no reason to be too confrontational about it. A guy can spin his wheels with my girl, if you date someone who's hot it's gonna happen, and as long as she's not being more than friendly about it, it's fine. I don't expect anyone to turn down a gift. Frankly if another guy buys my girl lingerie but she only wears it for me, that's f***ing awesome! Thanks dude, lol That Shiz iz expenzive

That's slightly facetious, lingerie would be weird, but it's more to illustrate a point.

 

[Dark Phantom]

So this isn't exactly a relationship issue, but I've mentioned before how it was always hard for me to be physical with a girl because I've never really been an assertive person and I've never really close enough to someone to feel comfortable enough to make any moves. But right now I'm in a play and my character has a girlfriend, and I'm being encouraged to be a little physical, like in terms of grabbing her hand or holding it for a while and its a little weird for me to get into that part of the role.

I know this girl since we were in the same acting class, and I'm cool with her boyfriend so they know my intentions are purely part of acting, but its still a little weird for me, even though I know this will actually help me break that barrier. But right now this is still a mental block that keeps me from fully committing to the role.

Honestly, one of the best things about acting is that you can behave in ways that you only dreamed about doing in real life. If you're so scared of other people thinking that you really like this girl, you just tell them "Look, in order for this play to work, we need to look like we're in love. i'm just doing my job." And that is sincerely the truth. If you hold back because your so self-conscious, then when performance night comes around, the audience will not believe the romance because your not committed to it. They might congratulate you on doing a "good job", but deep down in your heart, you'll know you didn't work hard enough to feel anything when you were performing. "The concept of acting is the reality of doing" - Sanford Meisner.

If you feel romance, act upon it. If you don't, substitute the actress for someone you've always wanted to be romantic to.

I know all this "method" acting sounds like nonsense, but take my word. i'm a professional. Concentrate on your objective in each scene and go for it. Stanislavsky said, "generalization is the death of good acting".

 

[SpideyVille]

Maybe part of the problem is your connecting physical connection to assertion, whereas that's not necessarily the case. Holding a girl's hand or embracing for a hug isn't assertive. It's instead rather gentle and has more emotional impact than physical.

If you think about these small moments of contact as more of connection between two personalities, rather than two bodies. When you're with someone who you truly care for (like the part of the girlfriend in your play), that person almost becomes an extension of you. Holding her hand is no different than feeling your own. It's so natural and so non-assertive.

You just have to realize that, in order to be comfortable with contact, you need to realize why you're making that physical connection. It's not aggressive or carnal, but instead gentle and heartfelt.

I think.

I get what you mean. But I say assertive only because we went over the scene for the first time today and he director is more interested to see what kind of choices we make as the character, as opposed to telling us how to act right away. So while I was opting to just stand and talk to her, he suggested doing some subtle, but physical things like grabbing her hand or putting my arm around her and holding her close to me.

So basically I'm initiating the contact between us, and its hard for me to do that because I've never done that before because in reality, I don't ever try to make any moves on a girl. Its not so much of actually touching her or feeling anything, but more of knowing what to do and how to do it.

Method acting.

Imagine yourself as a brute, and who is selfish and rude and impolite and simply takes what he wants from women without ever asking.

Make this character in your mind and then see the world through his eyes.

Might that help?

Also, hug your co-actress. If I could suggest anything for actors who need to get used to being physical, I would suggest an exercise where you all get together and bear hug each other, and lift eachother off the ground and spin around a couple times.

This sounds silly, but a hug alone can break down the subconscious physical barrier, which does get in the way, like you say, for some people.

This is something I do on "dates" too. The first thing I do is "hug" the girl when she arives.

It seems very innocent to most women. Women regularly hug each other as they are less territorial than men. It also subconsciously puts you in her physical comfort zone, so later when you make a move, she is already more comfortable with it.

You can talk to your director, or whoever is in charge of this, and run the line up and bearhug exercise past him, and explain why.

Well a little background on my character, he is 23 and has been with his girlfriend for 7 years and they've both been happy, but they never slept together. So he goes to his neighbor, Don Juan to try to ask for advice, but then the girl takes more interest in him than my character. So the scene I'm talking about is where I try to remind her of how much she loves him, if she really does.

I'd say the character is sort of a pushover for most of the play, which is very easy for me to play and relate to, but in this one scene, its supposed to be my chance to shine since its the only real scene with us alone together. The scene ultimately ends with us arguing, which is another difficult thing for me since I don't normally display anger and frustrating outwardly.

But ironically, my partner did have a scene in our class where she had to hug her scene partner a lot since it was in the script and yeah it did help the chemistry and remove any awkwardness right away. I'm thinking of just working one of one with her and going through the scene to see what she's comfortable with because there's really a lot more physical stuff going on in the play with other actors and they are not as all phased by it. But I think my inexperience in both real life and acting is holding me back a little.

 

[BobJM]

I get what you mean. But I say assertive only because we went over the scene for the first time today and he director is more interested to see what kind of choices we make as the character, as opposed to telling us how to act right away. So while I was opting to just stand and talk to her, he suggested doing some subtle, but physical things like grabbing her hand or putting my arm around her and holding her close to me.

So basically I'm initiating the contact between us, and its hard for me to do that because I've never done that before because in reality, I don't ever try to make any moves on a girl. Its not so much of actually touching her or feeling anything, but more of knowing what to do and how to do it.

Well as to the "what" and "how," it's start off small and gentle. No girl wants a guy aggressively getting handsy. Go slow and gentle. Remember that and it'll ease into place. Something as simple as placing your hand on her arm when you're speaking to her. It's a connection, but nothing overly sexual. Most girls aren't gonna slap you across the face for that, unless you squeeze or creeping hard.

 

[SpideyVille]

Honestly, one of the best things about acting is that you can behave in ways that you only dreamed about doing in real life. If you're so scared of other people thinking that you really like this girl, you just tell them "Look, in order for this play to work, we need to look like we're in love. i'm just doing my job." And that is sincerely the truth. If you hold back because your so self-conscious, then when performance night comes around, the audience will not believe the romance because your not committed to it. They might congratulate you on doing a "good job", but deep down in your heart, you'll know you didn't work hard enough to feel anything when you were performing. "The concept of acting is the reality of doing" - Sanford Meisner.

If you feel romance, act upon it. If you don't, substitute the actress for someone you've always wanted to be romantic to.

I know all this "method" acting sounds like nonsense, but take my word. i'm a professional. Concentrate on your objective in each scene and go for it. Stanislavsky said, "generalization is the death of good acting".

Well like I said in my above post, its not so much of the fear of someone thinking I like her, because they know I don't and its just for the scene. Heck there's one scene where two characters are all over each other about to have sex, and it's interesting to see how they both got into it so easily even though they both have a bf/gf.

But its more of my naturally awkwardness that I'm worried about. Like maybe I just need more practice being in situations where I touch people, but its always weird unless I'm super super super comfortable with the person in general.

And yeah I also have to scream at her in this scene and people keep telling me to visualize her as someone I'm mad at, but that's never been in my character, which is who I'm relating my character to since he seems to be a lot like me, minus the fact that he actually has a girlfriend.

 

[WillardNation]

Meh, what the hell, here we go:

Spoiler

14

3 boyfriends
4 **** buddies
3 friends I hooked up with once
4 one night stands

And on that list, there's only one person whose name I can't remember

So is that too many?

I don't think that's too many at all. Especially with the breakdown.

Well now I'm curious

I’m glad you asked.

I will use this as another Segue.

I do give instructions during sex, actually. Weather it be physically just moving her how I want her, or verbal. In fact more men could do better to give more instructions in bed, they just need to break out the sexy deep man voice and be in charge about it. If done right talking dirty can be a lot of fun.

I'm definitely a dirty talker. I almost always open with "take that f***ing sh** off". I like to push them backwards onto my bed to. Anything to make it just a little rough. Big fan of pulling hair too.

I guess I give instructions, or commands. I like to feel in charge in bed, but I definitely apprepriate if they make me fight for that position.

I love it when a girl talks dirty to me. For the longest time, I felt kind of awkward talking dirty myself but I'm cool with it now. I think compliments during sex are a big turn on, ie: "*moan*omg, I love your c**k.*moan*" **** like that.

Something that's been coming up for me a lot recently (not as much in my personal experience but my friends talking about how common it is for them) is choking. I'm becoming more and more exposed to how many women love to be choked. The last girl I was with wanted me to choke her. It was my first time choking a girl during sex though so I got a little too much on the trachea. Oops. I felt bad when she let out a little *gak* and let go. Next time, I'll know better. Women, what's up with that? Is it a dominance thing? Is it that you're cutting off the oxygen to the brain so that light headedness makes the sex feel better? What exactly is it?

 

[Dark Phantom]

Well like I said in my above post, its not so much of the fear of someone thinking I like her, because they know I don't and its just for the scene. Heck there's one scene where two characters are all over each other about to have sex, and it's interesting to see how they both got into it so easily even though they both have a bf/gf.

But its more of my naturally awkwardness that I'm worried about. Like maybe I just need more practice being in situations where I touch people, but its always weird unless I'm super super super comfortable with the person in general.

And yeah I also have to scream at her in this scene and people keep telling me to visualize her as someone I'm mad at, but that's never been in my character, which is who I'm relating my character to since he seems to be a lot like me, minus the fact that he actually has a girlfriend.

I used to have the same problem as you. It is true that a lot of what goes into acting comes from life experience, but you got to use your imagination man! Your given circumstances are imaginary, which means there are no direct consequences for ANYTHING you do in your real life (only for the life of your character). Okay, you say that being temperamental is against your personality. Well, did you ever think that there is more to you than what you show people? Of course there is. We all have the capacity to be selfish, angry, romantic or any other behavior that is deemed irrational.

Don't worry about dragging the text to an emotional state where you feel most comfortable. You need to respect and serve the text. Let the words get the emotion out of you. In terms of rage and anger, think about all those people that see you as a pushover, which you are clearly demonstrating. How does that make you feel? Do you like being though of as a prude? Do you like the fact that at your age you can't even be comfortable touching a girl, when there are 13 year old kids having more sex than you? You do realize they are laughing at people like you? Hell, I think you're pathetic. What are you going to do about? Just mope and say "woe is me"?

 

[bullets]

Something that's been coming up for me a lot recently (not as much in my personal experience but my friends talking about how common it is for them) is choking. I'm becoming more and more exposed to how many women love to be choked. The last girl I was with wanted me to choke her. It was my first time choking a girl during sex though so I got a little too much on the trachea. Oops. I felt bad when she let out a little *gak* and let go. Next time, I'll know better. Women, what's up with that? Is it a dominance thing? Is it that you're cutting off the oxygen to the brain so that light headedness makes the sex feel better? What exactly is it?

It's probably a combination of both. With some girls I put my hand on their neck but never messed around with choking someone.There's a movie called Killing Me Softly with Heather Graham and the guy she's banging comes up with interesting choking methods. With my luck I'd probably end up killing someone.

 

[Hound55]

Or you know, piano wire + Bath tub + Acid = problem solved.

Or you could run him over in the parking lot.

Yes, it may elevate his position, as Supermike said... but it should still be effective so long as you elevate his position a good 4 to 6 feet in the air...

 

[SpideyVille]

I used to have the same problem as you. It is true that a lot of what goes into acting comes from life experience, but you got to use your imagination man! Your given circumstances are imaginary, which means there are no direct consequences for ANYTHING you do in your real life (only for the life of your character). Okay, you say that being temperamental is against your personality. Well, did you ever think that there is more to you than what you show people? Of course there is. We all have the capacity to be selfish, angry, romantic or any other behavior that is deemed irrational.

Don't worry about dragging the text to an emotional state where you feel most comfortable. You need to respect and serve the text. Let the words get the emotion out of you. In terms of rage and anger, think about all those people that see you as a pushover, which you are clearly demonstrating. How does that make you feel? Do you like being though of as a prude? Do you like the fact that at your age you can't even be comfortable touching a girl, when there are 13 year old kids having more sex than you? You do realize they are laughing at people like you? Hell, I think you're pathetic. What are you going to do about? Just mope and say "woe is me"?

I think it'll definitely be easier once we rehearse on our own and not in front of a bunch of people watching us. I've still been a little nervous at rehearsals since I'm the "new" guy amongst a cast of experienced actors, so that has kept me from fully feeling at ease around everyone. I know I'll get it, but its just going to take some getting used to.

I had this scene in class where I was supposed to grab a girl by the hand as she was walking away from me and it took a few tries with my professors trying to make me really grab and pull her back. But I eventually got it ans it wasn't so much of an issue, even though by the time we were supposed to perform that scene, I was really angry at my partner because she was ruining the scene by not committing.

 

[Dark Phantom]

I think it'll definitely be easier once we rehearse on our own and not in front of a bunch of people watching us. I've still been a little nervous at rehearsals since I'm the "new" guy amongst a cast of experienced actors, so that has kept me from fully feeling at ease around everyone. I know I'll get it, but its just going to take some getting used to.

That is the first thing you have to overcome!!!! You need to be fearless. I know, it's easier said than done. If your concern is making a fool of yourself in front of people, then you shouldn't be acting. People are going to judge you no matter what you do. You're never going to reach this ideal confident image of yourself that your hoping someone will see in you and that will, in turn, cause every other person to see you in a completely different light. Even the most confident looking people are insecure in some aspect. When you act, all that insecurity is up there for the whole world to see. Never think that you're that good of an actor that you can some how mask it. Instead, use your vulnerability as an advantage. If you portray yourself honestly with no apologies, people will respect that.

I had this scene in class where I was supposed to grab a girl by the hand as she was walking away from me and it took a few tries with my professors trying to make me really grab and pull her back. But I eventually got it ans it wasn't so much of an issue, even though by the time we were supposed to perform that scene, I was really angry at my partner because she was ruining the scene by not committing.

USE THAT! If you feel that your partner is not committing to the circumstance, then react off of it. Don't pretend like it doesn't exist. That will fuel your emotion. If you want to be listened to, then what do you do? you make yourself noticed!

If you are going to make any headway in this play, you need to take severe risks. I'm not saying act like a monkey, but if you are performing a scene and things don't go according to plan, either laugh it off or go with it. It's all about exploration.

 

[SpideyVille]

That is the first thing you have to overcome!!!! You need to be fearless. I know, it's easier said than done. If your concern is making a fool of yourself in front of people, then you shouldn't be acting. People are going to judge you no matter what you do. You're never going to reach this ideal confident image of yourself that your hoping someone will see in you and that will, in turn, cause every other person to see you in a completely different light. Even the most confident looking people are insecure in some aspect. When you act, all that insecurity is up there for the whole world to see. Never think that you're that good of an actor that you can some how mask it. Instead, use your vulnerability as an advantage. If you portray yourself honestly with no apologies, people will respect that.

Well yeah the main reason why I always avoided acting was because I was too shy, but something changed during the semester where suddenly I felt very confident in front of my class and I stopped caring about how I looked and what others thought. But like I said, this cast is much more experienced than me and I've put some extra pressure on myself because part of me doesn't feel like I fit in since theatre isn't my life like it is for everyone else. So that's I'm most nervous about, even though its a pretty fun loving environment and I'm really enjoying myself with everyone. I just need to build that comfort and lose that pressure that I put on myself.

USE THAT! If you feel that your partner is not committing to the circumstance, then react off of it. Don't pretend like it doesn't exist. That will fuel your emotion. If you want to be listened to, then what do you do? you make yourself noticed!

If you are going to make any headway in this play, you need to take severe risks. I'm not saying act like a monkey, but if you are performing a scene and things don't go according to plan, either laugh it off or go with it. It's all about exploration.

Yeah my acting professor and my director both emphasize the importance of taking risks and making choices during rehearsals. I think it'll get easier once I'm off book and don't have to look my focus by looking at my lines. Like with my last scene partner, she was always forgetting her lines while I knew all of mine and it was frustrating because I was supposed to bounce off of her but she wasn't too excited about the class and she ended up dropping out the day before our performance and it sucked because that really did fuel me for that scene.

 

[Dark Phantom]

Well yeah the main reason why I always avoided acting was because I was too shy, but something changed during the semester where suddenly I felt very confident in front of my class and I stopped caring about how I looked and what others thought. But like I said, this cast is much more experienced than me and I've put some extra pressure on myself because part of me doesn't feel like I fit in since theatre isn't my life like it is for everyone else. So that's I'm most nervous about, even though its a pretty fun loving environment and I'm really enjoying myself with everyone. I just need to build that comfort and lose that pressure that I put on myself

In all my years of doing theater, some of my favorite cast members were those who hadn't done theater. If you have good listening skills, an imagination, and an ability to act on impulse, you're already experienced. Here's another sad truth though, as much as it is a fun loving environment, theater people can be self-absorbed hypocrites. Some will stab you in the back behind the curtains, but when you're on stage, you all have to work as a team and put aside petty differences. However, They are going to talk about you behind your back regardless. They are going to make fun of your line delivery and behavioral choices. It is unescapable. But here's the juicy part: if you befriend them and they put their trust in you, they will tell you anything.

Yeah my acting professor and my director both emphasize the importance of taking risks and making choices during rehearsals. I think it'll get easier once I'm off book and don't have to look my focus by looking at my lines. Like with my last scene partner, she was always forgetting her lines while I knew all of mine and it was frustrating because I was supposed to bounce off of her but she wasn't too excited about the class and she ended up dropping out the day before our performance and it sucked because that really did fuel me for that scene.

Jeez, I could imagine. If you want to take the edge off of rehearsals, do a lot of self-exploration on scenes at home. You never know when a memory will come up or you might discover that your fears are not so bad to display to the world. The best thing to do is memorize your lines as soon as possible.

I'm just telling you what i wish someone had told me when i started acting...

 

[redhawk23]

Aye, I remember you posted this exact video with the same story months ago.

Seriously though, I remember posting this somewhere when I originally made it, but not since, perhaps I have however. The thread title just made me chuckle. Quite sorry for the spam then (though it's quite good if you add some pepper).

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I like your subtle approach, but really there should be no need for anything of this. When my boyfriend does things like this, it makes me feel more like a commodity or special toy that they don't want to share. All I know is that if you treat your girl right, she will stay true. And if she doesn't then she doesn't deserve you anyways.

Agreed.

There's a nice balance between being a jelous *****e and being a little bit protective.

Don't go to far, or you become the unreasonable one, and you actually push them further into the arms of another man, because they are the one's doing 'nothing wrong' in her eyes.

Okay then, reverse it. He's got a friend that's a girl that's actively trying to steal him from you with gifts and s**t. What do you do?

Watch him.

If he's not disouraging it, talk to him once.

If he still does nothing, dump him and let her have him.

End of

Seriously though, It's very different if the guy is actively trying to steal her. If you KNOW he wants to be her boyfriend.

But I have a lot of male friends. I mean, my main group of friends that I go out with consists of 7 guys and 1 other girl who is dating one of them.

And there is a lot of banter, a lot of teasing, and what could be interpreted as flirting.

That doesn't mean any of them actually want to be my boyfriend or even get in my pants.

And if someone I was with started being funny with me about my friends and how close we all are, we'd have a bit of a problem.

Hmmm... Maybe that's one of the reasons I'm single...

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

And if someone I was with started being funny with me about my friends and how close we all are, we'd have a bit of a problem.

She mentioned that a male friend of hers took her out for something for her birthday, and I did not think twice about it, not one type of remotely jealous thought in my mind at all. Why would I? In fact, I only just remembered this today, after all that talk from DV8 about him not putting up with kind of thing, which I thought was a bit ott.

But *this* guy, with *that* kind of gift, it's a devious way of bringing us to arguments over it, while he tries to look nice and innocent.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

She mentioned that a male friend of hers took her out for something for her birthday, and I did not think twice about it, not one type of remotely jealous thought in my mind at all. Why would I? In fact, I only just remembered this today, after all that talk from DV8 about him not putting up with kind of thing, which I thought was a bit ott.

But *this* guy, with *that* kind of gift, it's a devious way of bringing us to arguments over it, while he tries to look nice and innocent.

Then I guess the only question left is - does she know he wants her?

If the answer is no, then you have the problem of a girl's whose naïve enough to think her friend is just being generous.

But if she knows the guy is into her, and she's letting him take her out for a meal and buy her gifts, then she's doing one of two things.

1. Using him - for the boost to her ego, to make you jelous, or to scab free stuff

2. She has a thing for him too

Neither of those options is good. But your not going to get to any sort of solution by approaching the subject in anger.

Like I said, that's going to make him look like the better option.

If you really wanna keep this girl, you gotta show her that you are the better option.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Who said he took her out for a meal? She hasn't, and I don't believe that has happened.
Anyway, I've clarified my opinion on the matter, so I'm not gonna say anything about it. I'm just gonna forget about the whole matter, I've said my piece.

I'm gonna probably have to work alongside this guy in the future, and now there is no way on earth I'm ever gonna be able to trust him in any matter whatsoever, I would be a fool to trust him or take him at his word on anything. I am not the one who is creating these problems, he is.

He knows he's gotten too cocky for his own good, he's a smug git, probably used to getting his own way his entire life, and he can't handle the fact she loves me and not him.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Who said he took her out for a meal? She hasn't, and I don't believe that has happened.
Anyway, I've clarified my opinion on the matter, so I'm not gonna say anything about it. I'm just gonna forget about the whole matter, I've said my piece.
.

Sorry, thought when you said about a male friend taking her out for something on her birthday it said something to EAT.

My bad.

Anyway, fair enough if your comfortable enough leaving it alone

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Sorry, thought when you said about a male friend taking her out for something on her birthday it said something to EAT.

No, that was a couple of months ago, she just said a male friend took her out to buy her a birthday present, i was just clarifying that I am not the type who gets easily jealous over her having male friends, or them buying her stuff.
This instance however, is a whole different ballgame.

My bad.

Anyway, fair enough if your comfortable enough leaving it alone

Well, I am confident we can work on our relationship, I'm not interested in any one else, and I don't think she isn't either.
But, y'know, I'm not gonna let him wind me up anymore, I just wanna call it like it is.
Hell, maybe she was bs-ing about the watch, I dunno, but it was going a bit too far with trying to push my buttons there.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

I love it when a girl talks dirty to me. For the longest time, I felt kind of awkward talking dirty myself but I'm cool with it now. I think compliments during sex are a big turn on, ie: "*moan*omg, I love your c**k.*moan*" **** like that.

Something that's been coming up for me a lot recently (not as much in my personal experience but my friends talking about how common it is for them) is choking. I'm becoming more and more exposed to how many women love to be choked. The last girl I was with wanted me to choke her. It was my first time choking a girl during sex though so I got a little too much on the trachea. Oops. I felt bad when she let out a little *gak* and let go. Next time, I'll know better. Women, what's up with that? Is it a dominance thing? Is it that you're cutting off the oxygen to the brain so that light headedness makes the sex feel better? What exactly is it?

Very astute guess. Yes I truly believe the desire to be choked is far more mental than physical. Yes, a little blood flow slowing to the brain can feel good too, but I believe its mostly psychological.

When gripping with your hand wide, put more pressure on your thumb and finger tips (which should be further from each other) and less pressure will be put on the middle of her throat. Careful to support yourself with your other hand so you don’t put too much weight into it. I know that one quite well, as I’m kind of a heavy guy.

The other is for you to try pinning her with your forearm. Again, this means being careful not to apply too much pressure, but when you goose-neck your wrist and forearm it makes a nice opening for her throat to fit in, and to pin her down, without collapsing her tracheae. This also works to pin a girl to the wall while having sex standing up, the turn on her is the feeling of brutality of the act – note difficult to do for any length of time, if your thighs get tire transition to the couch.

Which segues me into another suggestion for you single cads out there, get a nice couch. By that I mean a deep seated one with lots of room for two people and it should look sexy. If you have a decent couch you don’t need to transition the girl to your bedroom, during which stage she may change her mind, sort of a mental hurdle of entering a strange man’s bedroom. By doing it on the couch that situation does not come up. I have a funny story about how I got my couch too.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I told her that I'd be ready and willing if she wanted to try again at some point in the future. I told her to take her time think it through. Haven't spoken or seen her since then. I guess that's my answer. Either way, I'm over it. It hurt a little at first knowing that the relationship was sabotaged from the start, but oh well.

The thing is there's no hope for a relationship. The only opening was a friend's with benefits and you ruined that.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Yeah, f*** that, I'm not choking anyone.

 

[Anubis]

My brothers old landlord killed his lady friend doing that s**t......so you know.....kinda hot.