The Temple of Doomed Relationships

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So just out of curiosity based on the last couple of pages, if a girl had a gay guy friend, would it be bad if they hung out since he is still a guy? How about a female friend who is a lesbian? Would the worry of cheating still be there?

no, I put in my first comment about this that gay guys are a clear exception . . . PS I'm not saying guys have to act like Hitler with this "no guy friend rule"; how bout we look at it like a set of "guidelines"
 
LOL . . . see, I knew you'd say that part in bold; the bottom line is, if you are physically attractive, DUDES ARE GOING TO TRY AND HAVE SEX WITH YOU; that is the way we're biologically programmed . . . maybe you're not understanding this because females are programmed to base their feelings of attraction more on personality or "swag" . . .

YES, you can have guy friends that like you for your personality but most guys are friends w/ girls because they wanted to bone them at one time; anyway, I'm confident that I made the point I was trying to make . . . I'm done now Lol

Look... it's obvious to me that you have simply lived a VERY different life to me.

In my world, I make friends with a man in exactly the same way I make friends with a woman. We talk, we have things in common, we have a laugh, we hang out some more, we like each other, we get to know each other. If there's no sexual chemistry or attraction, then it never progresses into anything more than friendship.

But i've always had ALOT of friends. Groups of us, that all would hang out, both together and one on one.

Let me illustrate with just a snap shot of what i'm talking about.

At high school age:

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At college age:

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University age:

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Halloween this year:

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Now, are you seriously suggesting that every single one of the people in those pictures, is only my friend because they secretly want to bang me?

Cause I can assure you, that's not true.

At this point, I just want to remind you of what you initially said which sparked this entire debate:

IMO your girl, if she is your girl, shouldn't even be talking to males "friends" unless they are gay; a "male friend" if he's not gay, a cousin, or been her friend since gradeschool is tryin to get in her pants in one way or another; she likes the attention and is not testing you, she's PLAYING you; it's a game; don't put up with it . . . that's all

Not to mention the blanket statement about all girls who aren't tomboys who hang out with male friends are *****.

I know that I have reacted very passionatly to your statements. But that's only because your statements are basically critiquing my ENTIRE LIFE and all my relationships with men.

I'm not saying that men and women who are friends don't occasionally consider each other in a sexual way even if they aren't that attracted to them. But that has absolutely no effect on whether or not a girl has the right to have male friends, talk to male friends, hang out with male friends when she is in a relationship.

And it certainly isn't the primary and most important reason that my male friendships began, nor why they are still going.

They are my friends because we have a lot of fun together. They are my friends because they are there for me in every way if I need them. They are my friends because I can talk to them when I am down, I can celebrate with them when I am happy.

I've lived with male friends, i've gone on holiday with male friends, I have male friends stay over on a frequent basis, and have even shared my bed with male friends completely plutonically.

If you don't have that with any women, then i'm truly sorry.

Cause your missing out by not being able to see women as anything but something you'd like to ****.

Having friends of the opposite gender is incredibly good for you IMO.

My girlfriend can hang out with whoever the **** she wants.

I knew I liked you :)

no, I haven't; I just have a hard time trusting people period . . . most women are liars bro; and most of the guys out here give them WAY too much credit . . . too many guys out here are soft; they approach women like they're going in for a job interview, they're trying to apply for the ass; I take the opposite approach

What makes you say most women are liars then? I mean, you've obviously have bad experience of that which has influence how you feel about them.
 
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Hopeful Suicide . . . you're right; we have obviously lived different lives and you are just not getting my point; I feel like I've explained it well enough, and the people that agree with me understand where I'm coming from; to continue arguing and supporting said arguments with illustrations and photos is beating a dead horse, and is nothing more than semantics at this point

PS, you ARE a tomboy; you fall into the tomboy category; you have a signature in a SUPERHERO forum comparing the next SUPERMAN movie to 7 years of PAST superhero movies . . . you are the kind of chick that GUYS LIKE TO HANG OUT WITH for their personality LOL
 
I think she's kinda hot.

Can I buy you a fish sammich?
 
she is not very attractive to me, but I'm into dark women . . . if she likes comic books I'm sure I wouldn't mind hanging out platonically though! LOL
 
*****e η τσάντα λέει τι;
 
Is it weird that all my exes with the exception of one added me on facebook? Some of them I've known for years and might talk to occasionally while others don't really say anything to me. I try to leave things on good terms , so it seems normal to me. I recently started dating a girl I met on POF. She found this out yesterday when an ex randomly left a message on my wall. Relatively harmless but I don't think she like hearing it.


Also it doesn't bother me when a gf has male friends. Unless he is in love and tries to play weird games. Only had to deal with that once though. If the relationship is good the girl will usually recognize this and back off from her friend.
 
Is it weird that all my exes with the exception of one added me on facebook? Some of them I've known for years and might talk to occasionally while others don't really say anything to me. I try to leave things on good terms , so it seems normal to me. I recently started dating a girl I met on POF. She found this out yesterday when an ex randomly left a message on my wall. Relatively harmless but I don't think she like hearing it.


Also it doesn't bother me when a gf has male friends. Unless he is in love and tries to play weird games. Only had to deal with that once though. If the relationship is good the girl will usually recognize this and back off from her friend.

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I think she's kinda hot.

Can I buy you a fish sammich?

Identity confirmed. Yeah she's cute.

she is not very attractive to me, but I'm into dark women . . . if she likes comic books I'm sure I wouldn't mind hanging out platonically though! LOL

If that doesn't proove the 'attractiveness is subjective point, I don't know what will.

But your right, I am beating a dead horse now, so we'll just agree to disagree here. I just hope that your feelings about women having male friends doesn't get in the way of any future relationships, because it'll be a real shame as there is really nothing dodgy about it in my book. :)

Is it weird that all my exes with the exception of one added me on facebook? Some of them I've known for years and might talk to occasionally while others don't really say anything to me. I try to leave things on good terms , so it seems normal to me. I recently started dating a girl I met on POF. She found this out yesterday when an ex randomly left a message on my wall. Relatively harmless but I don't think she like hearing it. .

It is definitely a difficult one, and some people struggle with it more than others.

All of my exes are my friends still, and even the one who cheated on me with men I eventually did forgive, and we have hung out since.

But I remember when I was dating that guy, I had massive problems with his ex. For one, he still kept a picture of her on his wall. When I questioned him about it, he got very defensive and said he wasn't going to pretend that she hadn't been a part of his life just to make me feel more secure, and that I would just have to deal with the fact that he was always going to care about her (yeah, I know, he was a *****e :().

She even came back from uni for a weekend and he let her stay at his flat. In his room. While I slept on the couch downstairs like a mug. :cmad:

To this day, i'm convinced they slept together. Not that he will ever admit it. Heck, he still won't admit he's gay!

I don't think you should worry about exes on facebook, but do try and reassure the girl your dating that it doesn't mean anything... just don't treat her like my ex *****e did basically.
 
I don’t allow Ex’s on my facebook page.

Found out the hard way how much trouble they can cause.

I also don’t have many female friends.

I have only a small handful of female friends, and those that are there go back to when I was a kid, but I do not have any female friends I have made as an adult. I guess you could consider women I work with as friends, but I do not spend any time with them alone outside of work, the way I would actually hang out with a male friend, who are often close as blood.

Part of the reason I do not keep female friends around is that I have a big sexual appetite and I do not trust myself to have them as friends. I’m risking sex with them if I am in a relationship. I actually have to avoid on purpose situations where I might cheat. I know myself too well.

I could tell myself I am just going to go out with a girl to get some sushi and say I just want to watch a movie, because we have common interests and all. Two hours later I’m in a sweat soaked bed with a naked woman. Her hair is all messed up and I still did not get that sushi yet.

For those who want to say I have zero self control, my way of avoiding cheating is avoiding those situations all together. That IS my form of self control.

I guess you could say I have some some FWB's (which I consider different from a plutonic friend) but I keep them out of my life if I am in a real relationship, I'm not going to be hanging out or talking to them much for the above reasons.
 
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Okay I have a tough one here. My male friend has been hanging out with this guy for a few years. They're practically best friends, but he started noticing something was 'off'. He told me that he thinks the guy is in the closet and doesn't realize it. He also suspects that he's been flirting with him. He came to me thinking I would know how to handle this without hurting anyone's feelings, but I have no clue. Help.
 
Best way to deal with that is to not get involved. Unless his friend just comes out, and is straightforward about wanting to get with him, then I think he my just be reading too much into it.

Either that or your friend is in the closet, and this is one of his hopeful fantasies....
 
Thanks.

I assure you he likes teh ladiez. But I wouldn't rule out him being bi or bi for this particular guy.
 
ehhhh . . . I don't believe in "bi-sexual men"; I feel that if you're gay your're gay Lol
 
No, there are bi guys like there are bi women. Each gender offers something the other doesn't. If you like what both offer, then you are bisexual.
 
Maybe bisexual is a little strong. Now that I think about it, he could be bi-curious.
 
I know that people are bi-sexual in theory but I feel like that is something that's more common in women; I feel like dudes are just gay if they swing that way Lol

what do you all feel about the origins of homosexual feelings in an individual? do you think it's nature or nurture? something they're born with or caused by a life event?
 
Like most things, probably a bit of both. Personally, I can't find love in another man's hairy posterior. However, I've been in a few situations with married couples I wouldn't mind trying again.

I agree it is more accepted for women to be bi. I think that's just the hope of most men to be in a threesome. The reality of that situation is, bi women are far less likely to want a man involved.
 
Like most things, probably a bit of both. Personally, I can't find love in another man's hairy posterior. However, I've been in a few situations with married couples I wouldn't mind trying again.

I agree it is more accepted for women to be bi. I think that's just the hope of most men to be in a threesome. The reality of that situation is, bi women are far less likely to want a man involved.

I hear you . . . I think that hope of a threesome is a valid point but I also feel women are naturally more sensual than men; it just doesn't seem right for a man to be gay; it goes against their natural demeanor
 
It might not be fair but the way society sees it. A woman can go on a "gay" vacation, take pictures, come back, show slides and be back in the land of hetero. A man, one time? Gay.
 
^Lol . . . true; I guess as many double standards as women have to put up with, men deserve that one though
 
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