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[BlackLantern]

I feel the same way about God. I'm not calling you a liar. I just want people to show me proof.

the sticking point IMO is that both sides want to be "right".....the bible thumpers want to believe that homosexuality is a choice and the lgbt community expects people to believe that you are born with your orientation....at least I can look at it and say "I don't know" and be ok with that

I don't think asking for some sort of actual hard medical evidence is farfetched....doctors are dissecting the brains of transgendered people who have donated their bodies to science and have found altered brain chemistry so the avenue of discussion is already open

 

[Mystirious]

No, the burden of proof only goes one way. You might need science or diagnostics or research to tell you this because it isn't your lives, but we, homosexuals, have been telling straight people for years, decades, the plain and simple truth that we had no choice in the matter. No out gay man, woman, or child is going to tell you it's a choice. Demanding burden of proof is flat-out accusing us of lying in the first place, or that we simply don't know our own bodies as well as you apparently do --

Agreed

We dont need to prove anything to anyone.

Personally I stopped caring what anybody thought of my orientation or lifestyle a long time ago

 

[Charlie Boy]

the sticking point IMO is that both sides want to be "right".....the bible thumpers want to believe that homosexuality is a choice and the lgbt community expects people to believe that you are born with your orientation....at least I can look at it and say "I don't know" and be ok with that

That's the way I see it.

 

[Mystirious]

the sticking point IMO is that both sides want to be "right".....the bible thumpers want to believe that homosexuality is a choice and the lgbt community expects people to believe that you are born with your orientation....at least I can look at it and say "I don't know" and be ok with that

I don't think asking for some sort of actual hard medical evidence is farfetched....doctors are dissecting the brains of transgendered people who have donated their bodies to science and have found altered brain chemistry so the avenue of discussion is already open

Sounds like a waste of time and money to me honestly

It's irrelevant whether its a choice or not. Either way theres nothing wrong with it and it harms no one

So who cares

 

[Anubis]

He had liquor in his system when he went in for his ankle bracelet... But I like the hooker story more.

We're set for this month rent wise. The first month where we'll have to struggle is June.

Aren't he and your other roommate an item or something?

 

[BlackLantern]

Sounds like a waste of time and money to me honestly

It's irrelevant whether its a choice or not. Either way theres nothing wrong with it and it harms no one

So who cares

this is why we have medical research....to answer these questions....does the answer (if there is one) give you cause for concern?

 

[Tron Bonne]

If you're so skeptical of the idea, BL, test it yourself; be gay for a year and see if you can.

 

[Charlie Boy]

Aren't he and your other roommate an item or something?

Yeah, an abusive and co-dependent relationship made in hell. She's been so "depressed" since he's been locked up. Her version of depressed is going out to bars and clubs every night though. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

 

[Anubis]

Heh, wouldn't be surprised if you wake up one night and find her blowing you. I know the type.

 

[lixdexia]

So we talked about Superman hating America already, what do you guys think of Cap not being cool with Wikileaks?

i'm of two minds about it. i think he should be for it in theory, but may object to it on a case by case basis depending on the legality of the way the information was obtained, the importance of the information, and wither or not anyone was killed or seriously impacted because of it's release.

My god, Spider-Man 3 is playing on FX and guess what's after that? Ghost Rider.

hahahahahaha, nice

Doesn't really matter if sexuality is a choice or something your born with at the end of the day

it very much does if you're arguing that bigotry based on sexuality is the same as bigotry based on race. it's a clear defining factor.

the burden of proof goes both ways....I don't think any reasonably intelligent person can say with 100 percent certainty that everyone who is gay or straight chooses or is born with their orientation

yup

No, the burden of proof only goes one way.

not if you're trying to define it scientifically, then it absolutely goes both ways. you were born gay, that's great. congratulations and go stick your dick in who or whatever you please. but unless you feel you can accurately and scientifically describe the determining factors of sexual orientation in every human being then your insights are as flawed and incomplete as anyone else's.

I don't think asking for some sort of actual hard medical evidence is farfetched....doctors are dissecting the brains of transgendered people who have donated their bodies to science and have found altered brain chemistry so the avenue of discussion is already open

it's not and shouldn't be.

 

[BlackLantern]

If you're so skeptical of the idea, BL, test it yourself; be gay for a year and see if you can.

I don't care either way, I would just like to know if there is a definitive answer....just like I would like to know if the common cold can be cured, or is herpes incurable

I like the "how" of things

Fear of knowledge leads to oppression.....

 

[Franklin Richards]

Well then what you're saying is that if it IS a choice then a good percentage of the population have mental problems.


I guess I'm OK with that since I believe that most of the population have a neurosis that makes them believe in God.

 

[BlackLantern]

what I am saying is that if there is some sort of definitive answer to the question of sexual orientation, what does that mean for us as a society and a species

 

[Mystirious]

this is why we have medical research....to answer these questions....does the answer (if there is one) give you cause for concern?

Nope like I said I don't care what anyone else thinks about being lgbt. Not scientists not priests not politicians not anyone so i dont care if some scientists want to spend their time trying to prove being lgbt is genetic. I just think its a waste of time personally because whatever their findings its not goung to make any difference

There's only one person who's opinion matters to me when it comes to lgbt matters and that's mine Being lgbt is natural and normal whether its a choice or not and the reasons why people are lgbt are irrelevant

The only reason it would give me cause for concern is if it lead to some bigoted ****s trying to cure homosexuality. If it did I would want the research stopped immediately

 

[lixdexia]

I guess I'm OK with that since I believe that most of the population have a neurosis that makes them believe in God.

what the **** is your problem man? why can't you ever discuss what everyone else is discussing? why do you have to make everything about some other issue for no reason? so you want scientific proof of god or that people are or aren't born with a predisposition towards religion or belief in a deity of some sort. that's cool and totally valid, but it doesn't have a ****ing thing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't care either way, I would just like to know if there is a definitive answer....just like I would like to know if the common cold can be cured, or is herpes incurable

I like the "how" of things

Fear of knowledge leads to oppression.....

Fair enough, but all I'm saying, is if you want proof of that particular thing and all; you don't need scientific dissections and the such, just try and switch your sexuality for a year and see if you have any feelings beyond sexual for some of the opposite or same sex. If you succeed, you just proved that it's a choice, if you don't and you never had any feelings like that for the opposite/same sex before that, you proved that it's not. Really, what else would you need at that point?

what I am saying is that if there is some sort of definitive answer to the question of sexual orientation, what does that mean for us as a society and a species

It would mean there's a definitive answer to whether sexual orientation is genetic. Society wouldn't change much, and we'd just know one more thing about genetics. 'Bout it, I guess.

 

[Anubis]

I gotta tell you, politics, religion, and all that other boos**t in-between is ruining this thread.

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, an abusive and co-dependent relationship made in hell. She's been so "depressed" since he's been locked up. Her version of depressed is going out to bars and clubs every night though. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

That's a pretty unusual way to cope with 'depression'

 

[Darthphere]

I gotta tell you, politics, religion, and all that other boos**t in-between is ruining this thread.

Gail Simone wrote a comic about all this stuff and Mysti thought it was .

 

[Franklin Richards]

what the **** is your problem man? why can't you ever discuss what everyone else is discussing? why do you have to make everything about some other issue for no reason? so you want scientific proof of god or that people are or aren't born with a predisposition towards religion or belief in a deity of some sort. that's cool and totally valid, but it doesn't have a ****ing thing to do with the discussion at hand.

Guess I don't need any more infractions because of one arrogant *******.

 

[Charlie Boy]

The only reason it would give me cause for concern is if it lead to some bigoted ****s trying to cure homosexuality. If it did I would want the research stopped immediately

Why? I'm not saying being lgbt is anything to be cured, but there are some self-hating gays out there who do. Who are we to deny them their "cure"?

 

[BlackLantern]

I gotta tell you, politics, religion, and all that other boos**t in-between is ruining this thread.

a little grown up talk making you sad?

 

[Tron Bonne]

I gotta tell you, politics, religion, and all that other boos**t in-between is ruining this thread.

Blame Superman; he hates America, therefore making us question the validity of sexual orientation.

 

[lixdexia]

Fair enough, but all I'm saying, is if you want proof of that particular thing and all; you don't need scientific dissections and the such, just try and switch your sexuality for a year and see if you have any feelings beyond sexual for some of the opposite or same sex. If you succeed, you just proved that it's a choice, if you don't and you never had any feelings like that for the opposite/same sex before that, you proved that it's not. Really, what else would you need at that point?

that's a load of ****. i love several people of both genders and that has nothing to do with my sexuality. and your proposed experiment is entirely subjective with no control, therefore completely useless scientifically.

 

[Mystirious]

I gotta tell you, politics, religion, and all that other boos**t in-between is ruining this thread.

Agreed i misd talking about fun random stuff movies and tv shows and cartoons from the 90's. The things that really matter

This lounge needs to get its groove back with a multi page discussion of video games and terrible movies