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[BlackLantern]

What darth is saying is that ther PERCEPTION can be that Supes is telling America to **** off...and lately in media, perception is reality.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah, whatever the hell that means



You don't have to, and Superman won't. He'll still be in America, he'll probably still even have a flag or two, but that's not the point. You're just wanting to dissect it to the nitpickiest details or morph it into something it's not because you see it as Anti-American, and it's not. Sorry that you hate symbolism or whatever, but that's obviously what the story was going for.

There's more than one way to interpret something. Again, I see someone say "I'm going renounce my citizenship" what other way is there to see it. I don't know if I'm not explaining myself correctly or you just don't want to understand. If he doesn't want the world to believe he's some pawn for the government, he can go to the UN and say my actions don't reflect those of the United States. Simple. To take it that extra step of renouncing your citizenship is ridiculous, stupid, and an incredible overreaction.

Also, this whole "He's an alien anyway, he was never American" argument is a slap to the face of Siegel and Schuster and the point behind creating the character in the first place. I guess all immigrants aren't American either. **** the Irish, Italians and the Jews.

 

[Darthphere]

What darth is saying is that ther PERCEPTION can be that Supes is telling America to **** off...and lately in media, perception is reality.

Exactly. I understand the "symbolism" of the story, I really do. Same time, within the context of the story and reality it doesn't make sense. I can just imagine Mahmoud Almnnsfjfvbhbubhjad laughing his ass off at the UN when Superman steps up there and saying he renounces his American citizenship. The reasons don't matter, that's all they're going to hear.

 

[Anubis]

Well, isn't Supes still crazy with grief over his dead dad and race? Also, didn't America kinda kill his whole planet or something? When you think about it, this kinda seems like the way things should play out.

 

[Tron Bonne]

What darth is saying is that ther PERCEPTION can be that Supes is telling America to **** off...and lately in media, perception is reality.

Yes, because Fox New's Mass Effect as an Orgy simulator is obviously the truth. Anything can be perceived anyway by those who don't know what's being discussed. That doesn't disqualify the text, at all, and is a totally different discussion

There's more than one way to interpret something. Again, I see someone say "I'm going renounce my citizenship" what other way is there to see it. I don't know if I'm not explaining myself correctly or you just don't want to understand. If he doesn't want the world to believe he's some pawn for the government, he can go to the UN and say my actions don't reflect those of the United States. Simple. To take it that extra step of renouncing your citizenship is ridiculous, stupid, and an incredible overreaction.

Also, this whole "He's an alien anyway, he was never American" argument is a slap to the face of Siegel and Schuster and the point behind creating the character in the first place. I guess all immigrants aren't American either. **** the Irish, Italians and the Jews.

You're right there is more than one way to interpret, but there's also something to be said for actually drawing interpretations from the text that's there. There's simply nothing there that to draw that Superman is saying the same thing as the 'I hate my parents, they're terrible people, so I'm renouncing them' analogy you made earlier. No where does Superman say anything particularly negative about the US, or that he's somehow denouncing them as a country as a whole, and the symbolism is just so balantly there for those who see how the world is going. You're just trying to inject realism into it because you don't like it. I'm sorry, but frankly, that's a nationalistic tinted viewpoint of what actually happened in that story. I don't know what else to say about it, Darth.

 

[Darthphere]

Can we all agree that the root of the problem is that this story was completely unnecessary and shouldn't have been written in the first place?

 

[Darthphere]

Yes, because Fox New's Mass Effect as an Orgy simulator is obviously the truth. Anything can be perceived anyway by those who don't know what's being discussed. That doesn't disqualify the text, at all, and is a totally different discussion



You're right there is more than one way to interpret, but there's also something to be said for actually drawing interpretations from the text that's there. There's simply nothing there that to draw that Superman is saying the same thing as the 'I hate my parents, they're terrible people, so I'm renouncing them' analogy you made earlier. No where does Superman say anything particularly negative about the US, or that he's somehow denouncing them as a country as a whole, and the symbolism is just so balantly there for those who see how the world is going. You're just trying to inject realism into it because you don't like it. I'm sorry, but frankly, that's a nationalistic tinted viewpoint of what actually happened in that story. I don't know what else to say about it, Darth.

I'm injecting realism because the story called for realism when David Goyer decided to use a real life event and situation to make his dumbass point. The realism is already there Tron, I'm not making it up.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm injecting realism because the story called for realism when David Goyer decided to use a real life event and situation to make his dumbass point. The realism is already there Tron, I'm not making it up.

Fair enough, I guess.

Can we all agree that the root of the problem is that this story was completely unnecessary and shouldn't have been written in the first place?

Meh, it didn't bother me all that much, but sure.

 

[Anubis]

Nobody's gonna comment on what I said?

 

[Kane52630]

Nobody's gonna comment on what I said?

Well, isn't Supes still crazy with grief over his dead dad and race? Also, didn't America kinda kill his whole planet or something? When you think about it, this kinda seems like the way things should play out.

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[BlackLantern]

Good thing I don't read supes regulalry anymore....propaganda, I tell ya

On to lighter things, im not doing **** this weekend...gonna go running tonight and tomorrow morning and thats really it

 

[Anubis]

Be careful. Black man, running in Connecticut? They might think you just robbed a liquor store or something.

 

[Darthphere]

Fair enough, I guess.



Meh, it didn't bother me all that much, but sure.

I guess it just bothered more than I thought, especially the line where he says he's alien born on another world so he sees the bigger picture. It just reeked of ********. Yes, he is an alien born on another world but he was raised Clark Kent of Smallville, Kansas. He's really had no ties to his birthworld other than a museum in the Arctic circle and couple of home videos from Dad, until recently at least.

 

[BrianWilly]

...I'm with Darthphere on this one. When I read that story, I thought that his reasoning was so bizarre it practically felt like it couldn't possibly be canon. The fact that Goyer wrote it as a footnote in someone else's story, with no build-up whatsoever, just made it more jarring.

Something I've always liked was that Superman and the rest of the JLA works alongside and, sometimes, even ultimately answers to the UN. People have this weird misconception that these superheroes never operate outside the US and go help out in war-torn countries at all, and that's simply not true: we've seen many, many instances where they do just that. It's just that they'll only do it if they have UN approval, or if the UN specifically requests help. That way they don't cause international incidents or upset delicate political situations or, worse of all, start to come across as authoritarian figures themselves.

Of course, superheroes working with the leaders of humanity and presenting a united front against war and poverty isn't nearly as wangsty or dramatic as if their hands are oh-so-tied by all that bureaucracy and politics and making it seem like characters like Superman were compelled by nasty national decrees to ignore international injustices, and so we get stories like this that, honestly, seem thoughtful enough from a distance but just makes less and less sense the closer you examine it. Frankly I'd just be happy to forget it ever happened.

 

[Darthphere]

...I'm with Darthphere on this one.

How dirty do you feel right now?

 

[BrianWilly]

I was wearing a full-body condom, so it's okay.

 

[Darthphere]

In related news, totally plan on wearing my stars and stripes track suit to the Captain America midnight showing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought that was a major fashion faux pas, like wearing a band's t-shirt to one of their concerts.

 

[Assassin]

should i bring my nerf hammer to the thor showing tomorrow?

 

[BlackLantern]

Yes it is...but darth is a rebel...leather jacket and all

So apparently there is this group over in Europe that wants to abolish the monarchies over there

 

[Darthphere]

I thought that was a major fashion faux pas, like wearing a band's t-shirt to one of their concerts.

I don't understand when people wear another band's t-shirt to a concert.

 

[Darthphere]

Yes it is...but darth is a rebel...leather jacket and all

So apparently there is this group over in Europe that wants to abolish the monarchies over there

Are there that many left? Britain, Spain, Monaco, what else? Either way, who cares let them be. I heard that William and Kate's wedding presents consisted of people giving money to a slew of charities which is cool IMO.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The monarchies don't even have any real power. They just get a cut of the national taxes to dick around and be national embarrassments, more often than not. It entertains the smallfolk.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm a sucker for monarchies and **** like that. I watched some of the royal wedding, not gonna lie.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I could not be less interested if I tried. Although I noticed William is balding like a motherf***er in some pictures I saw on The Morning After.