The Venom Discussion

[Daisy]

David Boreanaz is hispanic.He can't play Brock since he's caucasian

Got some news for you... Hispanics are Caucasian.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Who cares, either way? Jessica Alba is hispanic and was cast as the extremely caucasian Sue Storm.

And correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the actor who played the caucasian Kingpin was african-american.

i don't think Venom is a role that requires the actor to be of a certain background, as opposed to say, Thor or Black Panther, who are both characters who's origins stem from certain regions where their respective races are prominent.

 

[Symbiotica]

i don't think Venom is a role that requires the actor to be of a certain background, as opposed to say, Thor or Black Panther, who are both characters who's origins stem from certain regions where their respective races are prominent.

Uhhh.... so then for instance it would be okay with you if Black Crappy turned out to be.... Halle Berry? How about Jada Pinkett Smith as MJ? How okay would that be? From what you say, that should be perfectly fine...

I do NOT like seeing these characters changed in this fashion, and that includes Kingpin; spent the entire movie not enjoying the actor's performance, but thinking, "Um.... that's *not* the Kingpin."

I loathe the concept of casting against type. Brock is a very light-skinned blonde guy, and should remain so in order to avoid the Kingpin problem [i.e. an annoying distraction from the character]. let's leave it at that.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Yes, as a matter of fact that WOULD be "perfectly fine" although i have no idea who the hell you're referring to by "Black Crappy"..

Let me direct you to a story entitled "Heroes Don't Cry" from Peter Parker #35 for a good example of my feelings towards the race issue.

Also; i wasn't aware that Duncan being cast as Wilson Fisk was a "problem" of some sort. Guess you just see things a bit differently than i do.

 

[Symbiotica]

I think its pretty safe to say the majority of people find casting against type, whether by race or by other criteria, to be a "problem;" Tom Cruise could tell you all about that after his "Interview with a Vampire" total fiasco. Or... you could ask Halle Berry about what a positive experience CINO was for her; although in that case I will admit the problems went far deeper than the target audience's last [Michelle Pfeiffer] exposure to Catwoman.

I am sorry, I want Brock to maintain his traditional race, just like I want Robbie Robertson to maintain his and MJ to maintain hers. Hypothetically speaking.

 

[SentinelMind]

^so you're saying the fact Halle was black is what ruined the movie? Hmm...I thought it was the ridiculous plot, horroble script, bad lines, and poor directing.

Silly me....it was the race.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

How was Tom Cruise's Interview With The Vampire a "total fiasco"? That movie grossed over $223 Million dollars, worldwide, on a $60 million dollar budget. Doesn't sound like the "majority" had any issues there. Even author Anne Rice, who publicly denounced Cruise's casting, apologized to him after the movie's premiere.

In regards to Halle's Catwoman; that movie had WAY more issues than the actress cast in the lead. One of the most famous Catwomen of all, Eartha Kitt, is of african descent, and fans loved her on the old Batman tv series. Where do you think that Catwoman cliche' "Purrrrr-fect" comes from?

Boreanez would be "Purrrrr-fect" as Venom, hispanic descent non withstanding.

 

[SentinelMind]

Speaking of casting against background.....wasn't Two-face white in the comics...yet in the Burton movie and the TAS, Harvey Dent was played by a black person. I don't think that hurt the series or the original movie too much. "A Black Harvey DENT...NO!!!"

I say the race should only matter if changing the race would change the appreciation of the character. I don't know, but I wouldn't mind seeing some more ethnic minorities in superhero or prominent villain roles,....without portrayed as a stereotype.

 

[Arcturus]

I am sorry, I want Brock to maintain his traditional race, just like I want Robbie Robertson to maintain his and MJ to maintain hers. Hypothetically speaking.

I have to agree with Symbiotica on this part here. Keep them true to there comic counter-parts. But either way. There is nothing wrong with it. Oh and by the way, this would be a great scene in a movie with Venom.

 

[Symbiotica]

^so you're saying the fact Halle was black is what ruined the movie? Hmm...I thought it was the ridiculous plot, horroble script, bad lines, and poor directing.

Silly me....it was the race.

Pray do not put words in my mouth: here is exactly what I said, no more, no less.

Or... you could ask Halle Berry about what a positive experience CINO was for her; although in that case I will admit the problems went far deeper than the target audience's last [Michelle Pfeiffer] exposure to Catwoman.

Thank you.

As far as box-office, I am not going to get into some long, drawn-out battle regarding whether or not box-office take "proves" my point. Anyone interested in the vampire genre well remembers the huge flap regarding Cruise's miscasting as Lestat; there's no need to reiterate that. It has nothing to do with Venom. Even Rice herself publically commented on what a stupid move it was on the studio's part.

If people are going to pick one tiny part out of my post and focus on that to further their "cause," while conveniently ignoring the rest that fails to aid the "vilification" agenda, it kind of renders further discussion meaningless.
I never said a thing about disqualifying Boreanaz because he's "Hispanic," and do not even *go* there trying to say I did; that was somebody else.

I didn't even *know* he was Hispanic. Jesus Christ.

 

[Silver Sable]

Got some news for you... Hispanics are Caucasian.

????????

 

[Daisy]

????????

Hispanic isn't a race. It's an ethnicity.

And I actually I misspoke... not all Hispanics are Caucasian. The Hispanic people referred to in the thread (Borenaz and Alba) are, which is what led to my comment. Hispanics/Latinos can be black as well, like Sammy Sosa (he's Dominican).

Hence, not a race... but ethnicity.

 

[Silver Sable]

Hispanic isn't a race. It's an ethnicity.

And I actually I misspoke... not all Hispanics are Caucasian. The Hispanic people referred to in the thread (Borenaz and Alba) are, which is what led to my comment. Hispanics/Latinos can be black as well, like Sammy Sosa (he's Dominican).

Hence, not a race... but ethnicity.

I'm confused.How can that be?

 

[Daisy]

I'm confused.How can that be?

Very basically:
Hispanic/Latino... The designation is very heavily based on language, but culture plays a part in it too. They denote of some sort of "spanish" decent at some point. Spain is a country, with its own language, culture, etc. and Spaniards are white. They are not, however, a race, any more than Poles, Italians or Irish are. In places where Spain colonized it "exported" its language and culture, including to black slaves who worked under Spanish rule, like in the West Indies. They adopted the predominant Hispanic culture and language, and when places like Santa Domingo, Puerto Rico, etc. revolted and the Spanish left, what remained were large black poluatations heavily steeped in Spanish culture and language.

Hispanics can be white, black, mixed (white/indigenous or black/indigenous)... those that are considered Indigenous (in Central and South America) are not, however, Hispanic (they frequently don't speak Spanish).

 

[TheSlag]

Texans However... are a race of our own.

YEEEHAWWWWW... *hears the cries of Thank God... HEYYYYYY!!!!!

 

[Daisy]

Texans However... are a race of our own.

YEEEHAWWWWW... *hears the cries of Thank God... HEYYYYYY!!!!!

Well... I know you're most definitely in a class by yourself.

 

[TheSlag]

Well... I know you're most definitely in a class by yourself.

Damn. Just like grade school. They called us "Special" too.

 

[PALADIN]

I don`t really keep up with movie news much,so for all I know the speculation about WHAT villain Church will be playing in SM #3 may be over now--but in case it`s not........

I just happened to check the listing for SM #3 at Internet Movie Database and the Writing Credit--Characters--is being given to STAN LEE and STEVE DITKO, as with the previous films......No Other Credit Given For Characters.


Thus far, as with other comic movies, credit is given to The Creators of those characters that were used in the film.

I have no idea who created Venom (don`t care, either--I was never very impressed with Venom) ...But I do know that neither Stan Lee nor Steve Ditko had ANYTHING to do with Venom. Ergo, the film will feature ONLY characters that Stan Lee and Steve Ditko are credited with the creation of.

Full Cast and Crew for
Spider-Man 3 (2007)

Directed by
Sam Raimi

Writing credits (in alphabetical order)
Steve Ditko comic book & characters
Stan Lee comic book & characters
Alvin Sargent screenplay

So....Unless Venom is merely considered a "house" character, with No Creator who deserves credit; I would speculate that what we`ll see in the film will be Lee/Ditko characters ONLY. Sandman would seem the high probability choice.

 

[Silver Sable]

Very basically:
Hispanic/Latino... The designation is very heavily based on language, but culture plays a part in it too. They denote of some sort of "spanish" decent at some point. Spain is a country, with its own language, culture, etc. and Spaniards are white. They are not, however, a race, any more than Poles, Italians or Irish are. In places where Spain colonized it "exported" its language and culture, including to black slaves who worked under Spanish rule, like in the West Indies. They adopted the predominant Hispanic culture and language, and when places like Santa Domingo, Puerto Rico, etc. revolted and the Spanish left, what remained were large black poluatations heavily steeped in Spanish culture and language.

Hispanics can be white, black, mixed (white/indigenous or black/indigenous)... those that are considered Indigenous (in Central and South America) are not, however, Hispanic (they frequently don't speak Spanish).

Sounds interesting.Did you find this out in school?

 

[Mr Jide]

Well, as far as rumour has it, you guys can kiss any hope of venom being in spidey 3 goodby.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Sounds interesting.Did you find this out in school?

I thought it was common knowledge.

 

[Caliber]

I thought it was common knowledge.

It should be. I'm hispanic.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Goodbye Venom Appreciation Thread,seeya in the S-M4 boards.

 

[Lethal Venom]

and hello hobby and Sandman board lol

 

[Arcturus]

Goodbye Venom Appreciation Thread,seeya in the S-M4 boards.

Thankyou for your wonderful input.