The Walking Dead The Walking Dead Season 3 Episode 11 "I Ain't a Judas" Discussion Thread

[danoyse]

Honestly, there's never been an episode of this show that I found completely boring.

But Rick's instability, Michonne's glumness (though she did recite massive swaths of dialogue last episode by her standards), and the prison is starting to drag a little bit.

Agreed. It was a good episode, but it really felt like a bridge episode. I was hoping Maggie would tell Andrea what 'Phillip' had said to her, just to see how she could respond to that.

And you know it's bad when the only person Herschel can have a reasonably sane conversation with about their current situation is Merle.

I feel like they just can't stay at the prison anymore. Even without the threat of the Governor and the rest of the Woodbury, it barely seems safe from walkers anymore. Only a matter of time before its overrun.

 

[Sakuraba]

The problem with the locations, ie "I'm tired of the farm" or "I'm tired of the prison" is that those places seem like the only places on earth in the Walking Dead universe.

It's totally justified eye boredom, as it is with the tired set of Woodbury. This is why I was wanting Merle and Daryl to have some time off having their own survival adventures visiting new towns and raiding stores that aren't a CVS or Walgreens. It enriches the world and gives some contrast to the prison and Woodbury.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Actually, I didn't get tired of the farm.

Really?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well the prison has several advantages. Aside from being the safest place, it probably also had a decent weapons cache, food (though that's probably gone by now), and facilities (though they haven't really brought that up).

Also, it has watch towers, though they never utilized those.

 

[DIRECTOR]

in the beginning of the episode, when rick is looking through the binoculars, who or what did he in the woods? Right before Carl comes to talk to Rick. Did anybody catch that?

 

[Evelisse]

I thought it was one more very quick shot of Ghost Lori stepping behind a tree.

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm kind of hoping the group splits up again. Show us the broad world of the Zombie Apocalypse. I'm also a bit ticked off that they pretty much skipped winter, cause I wanted to see how they would handle the Walker during that time.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Granted it's Georgia, so the winters are pretty mild, but how does this work in like New York? Do zombies get frozen?

Walk around covered in snow and ice?

 

[Sawyer]

I always imagined the fallout from the big battle between Woodbury and the Prison having [blackout]the whole group (or those that survive, at least) split and on foot, taking a few episodes to get the whole group back together[/blackout].

 

[Sakuraba]

I'm kind of hoping the group splits up again. Show us the broad world of the Zombie Apocalypse. I'm also a bit ticked off that they pretty much skipped winter, cause I wanted to see how they would handle the Walker during that time.

I'll second this. It's more interesting when they get separated and have to work their way back to each other.

I thought the skipping of winter was a cop out too. When they had the camp outside Atlanta a big concern was keeping the fire low because it attracted walkers, so you wonder how they kept their large group warm safely. They basically could have covered this in one episode that spanned the entire cold months, or at least had flashbacks, which is a storytelling device the show should get back to.

 

[Sakuraba]

Granted it's Georgia, so the winters are pretty mild, but how does this work in like New York? Do zombies get frozen?

Walk around covered in snow and ice?

They freeze in the comic and thaw in the spring.

 

[Thundercrack85]

They freeze in the comic and thaw in the spring.

Figure people would just destroy them while they're inactive. Shattering walkcicles.

Seriously, that might not be a bad plan. Just try to kill every single walker. Everyone kill ten a day. Don't even need to use bullets.

Well, the crazy governor is a more immediate threat than the zombies.

 

[Hunter Rider]

So close to death by nekkid Andrea for the Governor! Now Tyrese is going to lead them into the prison and she'll get the blame from grumpy Rick and co.

 

[squeekness]

in the beginning of the episode, when rick is looking through the binoculars, who or what did he in the woods? Right before Carl comes to talk to Rick. Did anybody catch that?

I thought it was one more very quick shot of Ghost Lori stepping behind a tree.

Me, too.

 

[Lily Adler]

So close to death by nekkid Andrea for the Governor! Now Tyrese is going to lead them into the prison and she'll get the blame from grumpy Rick and co.

Seriously, the only way I would even go back to being indifferent to Andrea is for her to pull a Catwoman.

 

[Optimus27932]

I thought it was one more very quick shot of Ghost Lori stepping behind a tree.

I thought the same thing when i saw that.

 

[the dmg]

Agreed. It was a good episode, but it really felt like a bridge episode. I was hoping Maggie would tell Andrea what 'Phillip' had said to her, just to see how she could respond to that.

I was surprised she didn't burst out at Andrea when she said Phillip. That would have probably put things in a whole other perspective for her.

I feel like they just can't stay at the prison anymore. Even without the threat of the Governor and the rest of the Woodbury, it barely seems safe from walkers anymore. Only a matter of time before its overrun.

They said in the episode where Glen and Carl went into the tombs that the tombs filled up with more walkers than before. They can't go any deeper than they currently are, which doesn't give them a lot of protection from if a small army of people can breach through. I don't see the walkers being able to break down the jail doors, but it makes it a lot more dangerous for them to get their supplies or make an escape if the front is taken.

I thought it was one more very quick shot of Ghost Lori stepping behind a tree.

I noticed that too, shows that even though he's pre-occupied he's still losing it.

Well the prison has several advantages. Aside from being the safest place, it probably also had a decent weapons cache, food (though that's probably gone by now), and facilities (though they haven't really brought that up).

Also, it has watch towers, though they never utilized those.

They have been using the towers as a post. They've shown and mentioned it a few times.

 

[SuperT]

Finally got around to watching the eppy this afternoon. Even though she's been a clueless dolt up to now, the way Rick & Co. treated Andrea when she came to the prison was ridiculous.

It's not like she chose Woodbury over them, she didn't even know they were all still alive until a couple of days ago. Did they really expect her to just up and leave Woodbury to come live in the prison with them without batting an eye? Seriously!

I mean, I can understand Michonne being annoyed since she and Andrea were together for quite a bit and she took care of Andrea so it was a little more personal.

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm still in the belief that Andrea and Michonne were more than friends during that long winter. At least, that's how it comes off when Michonne and Andrea are around each other.

 

[Sakuraba]

Finally got around to watching the eppy this afternoon. Even though she's been a clueless dolt up to now, the way Rick & Co. treated Andrea when she came to the prison was ridiculous.

It's not like she chose Woodbury over them, she didn't even know they were all still alive until a couple of days ago. Did they really expect her to just up and leave Woodbury to come live in the prison with them without batting an eye? Seriously!

I mean, I can understand Michonne being annoyed since she and Andrea were together for quite a bit and she took care of Andrea so it was a little more personal.

It struck me as a combination of catering to the fans in the audience that hate Andrea, and banging home the point to Andrea that Rick is a bad dude and he killed your man-crush Shane too just in case her love for the Woodbury commoners wasn't reason enough for her to go back there.

 

[Sakuraba]

I'm still in the belief that Andrea and Michonne were more than friends during that long winter. At least, that's how it comes off when Michonne and Andrea are around each other.

It would make sense given Michonne's instant suspicion and dislike of the Governor.

 

[Darthphere]

You know, the more I think about the whole Woodbury vs The Prison thing, the more flawed I see the reasoning. There is one person to blame for all of this, Merle. If Merle leaves Glenn and Maggie alone while on their run, none of what came after would have happened. Does that excuse The Governor's actions? Not entirely but it really does seem on both sides that if you remove Merle from the equation they could have continued to live peacefully.

Also, ego comes into play. As The Governor had his eyes on the prison but Merle told him it would be impossible. Then you have a group of 5 or 6 people just clear it out. His ego really took a hit with that.

 

[Sawyer]

You know, the more I think about the whole Woodbury vs The Prison thing, the more flawed I see the reasoning. There is one person to blame for all of this, Merle. If Merle leaves Glenn and Maggie alone while on their run, none of what came after would have happened. Does that excuse The Governor's actions? Not entirely but it really does seem on both sides that if you remove Merle from the equation they could have continued to live peacefully.

Also, ego comes into play. As The Governor had his eyes on the prison but Merle told him it would be impossible. Then you have a group of 5 or 6 people just clear it out. His ego really took a hit with that.

 

[Darthphere]

Stuff. Thaaangs. Happen.

 

[Sawyer]

... stuff.