The Wrestling Thread generates more income than Darren Young - Part 76

[Wheels]

What that saying? One bad apple spoils the bunch? Raw is that one bad apple on the USA Network and some of the blame goes to Bonnie Hammer, the head of USA Network. Raw is so bad though that it sticks out like a sore thumb and spoils all of the shows she brought onto the USA Network such as Burn Notice, White Collar, Royal Pains, Covert Affairs, Psych, Suits, Necessary Roughness and Fairly Legal as well as former show Monk.

And all of those USA shows have fantastic writing. Some of those shows are liked by many of us who post in the wrestling thread. The goodwill that those USA Network shows brought is ruined by WWE Raw. It's bringing down the quality of the USA Network.

Raw is like a rotting and smelling dead flower in a field of stunning pretty red roses.

I hate to agree with this, but it's true

 

[Trainwreck2100]

What that saying? One bad apple spoils the bunch? Raw is that one bad apple on the USA Network and some of the blame goes to Bonnie Hammer, the head of USA Network. Raw is so bad though that it sticks out like a sore thumb and spoils all of the shows she brought onto the USA Network such as Burn Notice, White Collar, Royal Pains, Covert Affairs, Psych, Suits, Necessary Roughness and Fairly Legal as well as former show Monk.

And all of those USA shows have fantastic writing. Some of those shows are liked by many of us who post in the wrestling thread. The goodwill that those USA Network shows brought is ruined by WWE Raw. It's bringing down the quality of the USA Network.

Raw is like a rotting and smelling dead flower in a field of stunning pretty red roses.

Let's not go crazy now, necessary roughness and covert affairs are crap. I'm not familiar with fairly legal but assume it must be decent since CBS tried to rip it off like they did Psych.

 

[Slushy]

I remember comparing Miz to a 10 year old boy trying to get his older brother's attention while he was hanging out with one of his friends from high school. He was just out of place begging for attention when the real feud was Rock/Cena. The Miz was just there trying to get attention any way he could and felt like a third stringer. That, in my opinion, took a lot of steam out of Miz as a main eventer, and then following it up with a string of lackluster feuds and stories, where the only highlight was the Awesome Truth, Miz has a long way to build himself back up to main event status.

I didn't agree with The Miz becoming WWE Champion. As a matter of fact, I think he's the worst guy to win the belt, but to be fair, he got the Chris Jericho treatment when it comes to booking. Aside from going over Jerry Lawler, he never got one shred of credibility from the creative to be taken seriously as the top guy. And the worst part about his reign was he won the main event of Wrestlemania, arguably the biggest moment of his career, and it was treated like an afterthought.

What's everyone "match to remember"?

WWF: Hogan Vs. Warrior, WM VI

New Generation: Hart Vs. Michaels, WM XII

Attitude: Austin Vs. Maivia, WM XVII

WWE: Cena Vs. Helmsley, WM XXII

PG: Cena Vs. Punk, MITB 2011

Man I didn't think there was so many Rock haters out there. I guess I'm a mark or whatever, but i mean geez. The guy used his WWF/WWE platform to transition into a decent acting career. Its not like he left the WWF to go shoot "Thunder in Paradise".

I think the guy deserves some credit for even wanting to come back, whether it's for his ego or for $$$ to pay for his divorce.

As far as him working promotion for his upcoming movies. All of those films look like they would have no problem being a sponser of any of those PPV's especially G.I Joe/ Wrestlemania.

The Rock is the biggest WWE Superstar in history. He crossed over into Hollywood and and became a bigger star succeeding where Hogan and Piper left off. Despite hardly having a track record of refusing to do jobs, the hate for Dwayne Johnson on wrestling boards such as this ever since he came back is just baffling.

One question, I just thought of this...is Chris Jericho a nostalgia act?

　
Because of HHH's meddling, Y2J was never trusted to carry the company. After his last return, I would Jericho is now. He pretty much passed his torch to Punk after failing to win back the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania this year. If he wants to end his career, now would be a good time to do it.

Do people really think Shawn Michaels is the best in-ring performer ever? The rest I can understand, but as much as I like HBK (he was what really got me into wrestling hardcore), he probably isn't a top 10 in-ring guy.

While I can't stand Michael Hickenbottom, Michaels is up there with the all-time in-ring greats (Savage, Hart, Guerrero, etc.) when it comes to delivering high quality matches since his is usually the best match on the card. My Top 10 HBK matches:

Vs. Savage - England 1992
Vs. Ramon - RAW August 1994
Vs. Hart - Wrestlemania XII
Vs. Edge - Royal Rumble 2005
Vs. Angle - Wrestlemania XXI
Vs. Hogan - SummerSlam 2005
Vs. Mysterio - RAW November 2005
Vs. Flair - Wrestlemania XXIV
Vs. Jericho - No Mercy 2008
Vs. Undertaker - Wrestlemania XXV

Hell, he even made Jarrett and Sid look like a million bucks.

 

[bullets]

After a reign of 366+ days, they better not have CM Punk lose his title to Ryback of all people.

That would be the start of my hiatus.

So... People of the wrestling thread, out of the WWE roster, who do you think deserves to be pushed right now?

My list:
Zack Ryder (sick of watching him job.)
Tyson Kid
Damien Sandow (although he's getting more of one now.)
Curt Hawkins

In fact, I wish Ryder & Hawkins teamed up instead of Ryder & Santino... Especially since they were tag team champions.

And Paul Heyman should have been made manager, I'm still hoping he is eventually. It'd make Raw more entertaining... Vickie has already been manager plenty of times.

Heyman is so good I hope he stays around longer. The rest of the list is good. I think Ziggler could use more wins.


Ryback is featured on the TLC PPV poster

 

[bullets]

I will not be surprised if AJ and Cena end up becoming an actual couple down the road.

I'd bet money they are sleeping together.


I'm surprised they don't hav more of the divas interacting with the guys. They could create more storylines off that.

 

[Wheels]

He might as well change his name to Dolph Jobbler. WWE treated Bryan and Punk the same way. I bet if Barrett won MITB he wouldn't be booked like that.

 

[bullets]

I bet your right. Ziggler should look like a credible threat to the World Heavyweight Championship. At this point he might be the first guy to lose after cashing in.

Barret will be in the title picture no matter what.

 

[NDX]

I prefer Job Ziggler.

Ryback is featured on the TLC PPV poster

Yeah, so glad I'm not going to that.

 

[Wheels]

I bet your right. Ziggler should look like a credible threat to the World Heavyweight Championship. At this point he might be the first guy to lose after cashing in.

"ahem" Cena.

 

[Slushy]

Cena was the first guy to cash in and fail to win the title, but he won his title shot match by disqualification.

The way Ziggler has been booked since the beginning of this year, I'm expected him to be the first guy to cash in and get pinned for it!

 

[Wheels]

He won the match? I don't remember a decision being announced. Either way, he didn't win the title, so he's a MITB loser in my book.

 

[The Sage]

- New details are coming out about The Undertaker's status for WrestleMania 29 and it's said that The Deadman is not in good shape at all. One thing that wasn't reported after his WrestleMania match with Triple H this year is that the hip replacement he had a few years back was damaged pretty bad.

There is talk that some of the surgical work he has had done over the past few years is really beat up to the point that he's back to square one. Taker had been going to see specialists in New York but he is so beat up now that WWE has been flying the doctors to his home in Texas instead.

There is also a lot of talk within WWE that if he does end up doing anything at WrestleMania 29, it likely won't be a big time physical match like we are used to. As we have noted, there is talk of having Taker work the Royal Rumble as a surprise entrant with the idea he can do a few memorable spots before being eliminated.

Right now The Undertaker is not being figured into any major WrestleMania plans internally. The feeling is if he wants to do it and feels like he can do it, WWE will make room for him. It wouldn't be the first time but it's possible could see The Undertaker skip a WrestleMania in 2013.

Some people within WWE are under the impression that the "end of an era" hype from this year's WrestleMania against Triple H really was the end as far as big time WrestleMania matches for The Undertaker go.

- People close to Ric Flair are saying that he will be returning to WWE at the October 29th RAW from Charlotte, North Carolina. The belief is that he will be getting involved in the storyline with AJ Lee, Vickie Guerrero and John Cena.

We've noted before that there have been rumblings of Flair returning but the lawsuit from TNA was preventing that. Flair has canceled at least one upcoming independent wrestling appearance that was booked in North Carolina.

Source: PWInsider

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/353075724.php
http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/353075387.php

 

[RetroNaz]

Ryback looks like a bald Rob Van Dam in that poster.

 

[RetroNaz]

Undertaker should just retire. Why do these guys risk their health and quality of life for an audience that couldn't care less about their personal well being? (I mean this in as nice a way possible).

Ric Flair to return to WWE? Lame. He's just too old to mean anything anymore. He's become a caricature of what made him so good to begin with.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Undertaker needs one more match and retire.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Then AJ will get to see The Cenis.

: BEST. POST. EVER.

 

[Slushy]

Man, sucks to hear about Undertaker. I really wanted to see him Vs. Lesnar. Hell, even Rock Vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania would've been cool.

If the report is true, just have him skip WM 29 (as weird as that will be) and tap out to Cena at 30. Best way to go about it IMO.

 

[RetroNaz]

Tapping out to Cena? Please god. No.
Cena doesn't need yet another legend laying on their back for his "legacy".

 

[Slushy]

Sorry, I think The Streak should end and if anybody's going to do it, it should be Cena.

 

[RetroNaz]

Nah don't be sorry man
But please not Cena
I'd much rather they keep the streak with the Undertaker. They've come this far with it, it's too big to give that to anyone. Especially with WWE's booking, it would simply mean nothing after a month.

 

[chamber-music]

Undertaker should just retire. Why do these guys risk their health and quality of life for an audience that couldn't care less about their personal well being? (I mean this in as nice a way possible).

This.

Taker should be smart and know when to bow out before he does himself permanent damage.

Wrestling isn't worth ending up in a wheelchair or crippled for life.

 

[RetroNaz]

No matter how popular it will get (if it ever really gets popular within mainstream again), but professional wrestling will always be that fake circus act between a bunch of guys on roids.

 

[Slushy]

I'd much rather they keep the streak with the Undertaker. They've come this far with it, it's too big to give that to anyone. Especially with WWE's booking, it would simply mean nothing after a month.

I loved the idea of The Streak over the years and it was fun to keep going for awhile and obviously, it worked out for the better since we had some great matches take place because of it and WWE made a lot of money with T-Shirts and home releases.

However, I got tired of it after the rematch with Michaels and given that Undertaker is on borrowed time, like the old saying, "All good things must come to an end."

It's all about giving back to the business and if Undertaker calls it quits as this point with The Streak intact, its the most selfish thing he can do. When it comes down to it, you have to pave the way for the future, and you can't do that by having someone leave whose never been beaten on the grandest stage of them all.

Why do these guys risk their health and quality of life for an audience that couldn't care less about their personal well being? (I mean this in as nice a way possible).

During an interview, Roddy Piper was in a state of bewilderment and grief reflecting on all the tragedies of the deaths of his "brothers". In order to make some kind of reason of it all, he personalizes the self destructive nature of humanity (the mindset that allowed for continually doing stupid or unhealthy things in an effort to maintain one's fame and spot) as "The Sickness". He stated the dynamics of the wrestler's hard life, characterizing it all as various "symptoms" that result in being over taken. The need for painkillers to survive, compounded by taking the juice to stay ahead of your competition, the time away from family, the insecurity of it all that eats away at you, the backstabbing, the promoters disregard for you personally, you're just something to be used for profit.

He recalls at times being alone in a hotel room on the road and weeping without knowing why. He finished the interview metaphorically standing atop a building referring to how "the sickness" tempted all his fallen comrades to keep playing with falling off the edge until they actually do, and that it may have gotten them, but it's not going to get him.

 

[cyclone]

The problem (one of many) at WWE is I have no faith that even if they put over a guy, he might be a top star for a year or so, but then they screw him over with a crap gimmick or story. Whoever (if anyone) gets the honour of beating Taker needs to almost be untouchable from then on.

What gets me, is that everyone from fans to the wrestlers, to previous superstars, all seem to be of the same idea; Ziggler has it all, he is the future. So what are WWE doing jobbing him ALL the time?! Start turning him face for goodness sake. He'd be a marketing dream, the new Ric Flair. Have him ditch Vickie, turn face and really go for it. Dolph cashes in at some point, he loses, blames Vickie, leaves Vickie, turns face, performs as his show man persona, giving the crowd what they want to see, crazy spots in matches, epic selling, stuff that makes him pure gold with everyone. Then he can lose matches without losing face because of the entertainment. As it stands, his losing is making him look crap when he's not.

As for Punk and his title reign. I'm a Punk fan, but the good work that's been done with how he won the title is now obsolete with this ridiculous heel turn. The whole 'demanding respect' thing has been done to death and it's boring. I don't care if he loses. I don't care if he lost to Ryback, but as per my first point (much like Chris Jericho said) if Ryback wins he needs to be dominant. He doesn't have to hold the title for years to be dominant, he could drop the belt to anyone via interference or anything, but he has to be backed as a power house for the rest of his tenure at WWE to make it all worth a damn.

 

[RetroNaz]

I loved the idea of The Streak over the years and it was fun to keep going for awhile and obviously, it worked out for the better since we had some great matches take place because of it and WWE made a lot of money with T-Shirts and home releases.

However, I got tired of it after the rematch with Michaels and given that Undertaker is on borrowed time, like the old saying, "All good things must come to an end."

It's all about giving back to the business and if Undertaker calls it quits as this point with The Streak intact, its the most selfish thing he can do. When it comes down to it, you have to pave the way for the future, and you can't do that by having someone leave whose never been beaten on the grandest stage of them all.

Normally I would agree with your comments on giving back to the business.
But, there's not one guy within WWE right now that could carry that win and use it to propel them to the top. What would they seriously gain from beating the streak from a broken down, old Undertaker? It's too little, too late now IMO. That ship has sailed.
Cena beating Undertaker at Wrestlemania would be one of the biggest let downs in recent WWE history. He'd stand to gain maybe a few weeks of bragging rights, but that would just make the crowd turn on him even more than they already have.

You could make a case that beating Undertakers streak would be a great way to provide a killer heel moment, but again, with the way WWE books their talent and the number of turns a wrestler can make with their adhoc booking, the whole thing would be forgotten in a matter of months and the whole "undefeated" legacy would be wasted.

I'm simply not convinced.