The Wrestling Thread generates more income than Darren Young - Part 76

[RetroNaz]

The problem (one of many) at WWE is I have no faith that even if they put over a guy, he might be a top star for a year or so, but then they screw him over with a crap gimmick or story. Whoever (if anyone) gets the honour of beating Taker needs to almost be untouchable from then on.

What gets me, is that everyone from fans to the wrestlers, to previous superstars, all seem to be of the same idea; Ziggler has it all, he is the future. So what are WWE doing jobbing him ALL the time?! Start turning him face for goodness sake. He'd be a marketing dream, the new Ric Flair. Have him ditch Vickie, turn face and really go for it. Dolph cashes in at some point, he loses, blames Vickie, leaves Vickie, turns face, performs as his show man persona, giving the crowd what they want to see, crazy spots in matches, epic selling, stuff that makes him pure gold with everyone. Then he can lose matches without losing face because of the entertainment. As it stands, his losing is making him look crap when he's not.

As for Punk and his title reign. I'm a Punk fan, but the good work that's been done with how he won the title is now obsolete with this ridiculous heel turn. The whole 'demanding respect' thing has been done to death and it's boring. I don't care if he loses. I don't care if he lost to Ryback, but as per my first point (much like Chris Jericho said) if Ryback wins he needs to be dominant. He doesn't have to hold the title for years to be dominant, he could drop the belt to anyone via interference or anything, but he has to be backed as a power house for the rest of his tenure at WWE to make it all worth a damn.

Simply put, WWE has no long term planning. They don't know how to book their talent to their strengths and they can't groom the younger guys to be exciting or watchable for anymore than a couple of weeks. The entire structure needs an enema.
And they need to change the way they write a show.
How many times do we need to see story lines about general managers changing hands every few moths? Imagine if UFC did something like this. Or football. Basketball, etc.
How many times will they continue to shove guys down our throats because they're simply big, muscly guys (insert boring, bland, terrible at anything beyond one or two moves)?
How many times will WWE throw meaningless matches out there where a win means nothing at all. These hollow victories do nothing for the wrestlers nor the belts they wrestle for. None of the titles mean anything anymore. WWE have conditioned us to think that.
Lame comedy skits that are "injokes" have no place on a television show being broadcast to the world. They need to stop these. They need major creative and production changes. They need to sit down and decide who their stars will be and who they want to develop into stars and do it.

 

[Darkness Falls]

they missed golden chances to end the streak with orton at 21 imo
i can't see anyone on the roster ending it, especially not after taker has beaten shawn and hunter at the past four wrestlemanias

cena would be an extreme let down and with the way punk has been booked lately i have no faith in punk being "the one" ethier

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

All this talks about WWE creative problems got me thinking....would it be interesting if people behind the screens, like the writers/bookers,would have a Q and A with the fans every now and again, like the comic/film writers occasionally does on conventions and things like that.

 

[RetroNaz]

That's a neat idea Paladin. It would be a great way for WWE to engage with their audience and learn what people would like to see. Who they would like to see. What works. What isn't.

It's like a normal day job any of us in this forum have, and going through a performance review. Your boss tells you the things you're doing really well at, but also explains the things you need to improve on.

WWE could certainly use this.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

I think it would have benefited the WWE in the long run to try that, creative people from different entertaintment mediums has been doing that since forever.

Just have a conversations with the fans, not through twitter or anything like that, but have a panel with all the writers and the fans interacting, like we've seen with writers from games, movies and comics on conventions.

 

[RetroNaz]

Makes sense.
Oh, and someone needs to shoot Twitter in the face.

 

[DCMarvelNews]

they missed golden chances to end the streak with orton at 21 imo
i can't see anyone on the roster ending it, especially not after taker has beaten shawn and hunter at the past four wrestlemanias

cena would be an extreme let down and with the way punk has been booked lately i have no faith in punk being "the one" ethier

I don't think the streak will ever end - to me we're to far into it. I agree with you regarding Orton at WM 21, I remember reading something on the Internet how wwe had planned for Orton to win and Taker agreed, but during the night Orton went to management and told them he didn't want to end it. Probably rubbish, but a cool myth I think.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Twitter can be useful sometimes. If I had a twitter account I'd follow sports insiders like Ken Rosenthal and Jason LaCanfora because they use Twitter to break news on MLB and NFL stuff.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

It's not twitter's fault the WWE are morons

 

[Pink Ranger]

It's not twitter's fault the WWE are morons

These days, the word "WWE" can also be easily replaced by "movie stars," "NFL players" and "politicians."

 

[Dr. Evil]

It's not twitter's fault the WWE are morons

The WWE will deny that they are morons.

 

[UnionJack]

Sorry, I think The Streak should end and if anybody's going to do it, it should be Cena.

Worst idea ever.

Cena has it all, more titles than he needs/deserves.

Taker should get to 20 and then retire .. leave his streak intact thats his legacy.

 

[The Batman]

I wanted to see Taker whoop Lesnar, but its time he retired if his injuries are that bad. No one should take the streak at this point, IMO.

 

[UnionJack]

That's a neat idea Paladin. It would be a great way for WWE to engage with their audience and learn what people would like to see. Who they would like to see. What works. What isn't.

It's like a normal day job any of us in this forum have, and going through a performance review. Your boss tells you the things you're doing really well at, but also explains the things you need to improve on.

WWE could certainly use this.

But with the love of Twitter and whoever uses Tout they would see what people want, I'm sure they have staffers looking at forums to see whats hot.

Then again if that was true they'd have turned Cena heel years ago and given Vickie the boot for good.

Most of the bad stuff can comedown to one person ... Vince. He has the final say and you know his ideas are past what people want in this day and age.

 

[UnionJack]

Makes sense.
Oh, and someone needs to shoot Twitter in the face.

Nothing wrong with Twitter I've used it to make contacts and get freelance work.

What it should have, like Facebook, is an age you can sign up then it wouldn't get full of idiot kids ruining with teenage crushes/bullying.

 

[Kaleb]

possible surivor series spoiler

Spoiler

Local advertisements for the 2012 WWE Survivor Series pay-per-view tease that the main event will be John Cena vs. CM Punk for the WWE Title.

Advertisements also indicate that Ryback and Big Show may be team captains for traditional Survivor Series team elimination matches.

source:lordsofpain

 

[UnionJack]

possible surivor series spoiler

Spoiler

Local advertisements for the 2012 WWE Survivor Series pay-per-view tease that the main event will be John Cena vs. CM Punk for the WWE Title.

Advertisements also indicate that Ryback and Big Show may be team captains for traditional Survivor Series team elimination matches.

source:lordsofpain

Yup sounds about right for the Main Event

 

[Pink Ranger]

Yup sounds about right for the Main Event

That card actually sounds pretty good. Not amazingly good, but good enough.

 

[UnionJack]

That card actually sounds pretty good. Not amazingly good, but good enough.

Well it quoted 2 matches.

The teams will be full of the midcarders and the Main Event is well nothing new.

Anyone else looking forward to this new WWE Title they are making?!

 

[Wheels]

I'm looking forward to seeing the new design. Hopefully, we get something more traditional and less tacky.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I'm looking forward to seeing the new design. Hopefully, we get something more traditional and less tacky.

Personally, I've always wondered what John Cena's face would look like cast in gold relief. Odds are I will get my chance.

 

[Benstamania]

Not real shocking.

PWInsider.com is reporting people close to Ric Flair are expecting him to appear on Raw next Monday in Charlotte, NC.

In support of this information—Flair has canceled an upcoming independent booking he was scheduled to have in North Carolina. It's expected if Flair is to return, he will get involved in the AJ, John Cena and Vickie Guerrero storyline.

There is no word on the status of the lawsuit TNA has with WWE that's been reportedly a major hold up in Flair or any other former TNA talents from working with WWE.

I wonder exactly how he'll appear? I hope it's to take control from Vicki...

 

[X Knight]

Flair as RAW GM?? wasn't he that many eons ago??

also, ending the streak would do nothing (positive) for Cena.

 

[TheFuture]

Please...no. Naitch is like a bad caricature of himself at this stage.

 

[Wheels]

Flair as RAW GM?? wasn't he that many eons ago??

also, ending the streak would do nothing (positive) for Cena.

Technically the first GM's were Stephanie McMahon and Eric Bischoff. However, Flair was the first person to run the RAW brand, as co-owner of WWE.