Nothing would diminish ending the streak from his resume. I just think it would be something on the back burner. Around that time is when the streak started gaining true legitimacy , imo. It was a big deal before , but even bigger after Orton couldn't end it.
I think Orton punting Vince McMahon might of been the best moment of his career. It was surreal and had a bit of realism. I think they dropped the ball with the "ied" storyline. I just got ridiculous after that. They should of just went with Orton snapping and then not being fired because Triple H wanted payback. They did bury Legacy. I think they might of learned form that and aren't making the Shield look weak because of it. I agree it's not Orton's fault he wasn't able to live up to his potential.
I think The McMahons still could have gotten satisfaction and won the feud while Orton got put over strong during it. Like at WM25. I don't see how they expect to truly make new stars when they make the prospects look like weaklings and cowards most of the time. Punting McMahon was one of the more impressive things Orton got to do.
Originally Posted by
sweetre15 
So...does anyone think Brock Lesnar will beat "The Lean Mean Burying Machine" in his rematch at Extreme Rules?
I think so. Hard to see Haitch going over again. He's already won the most high profile match in the feud so that should be enough to sooth his ego and make him look like a credible challenger to Lesnar.
Brock jobbing to Triple H again when its not needed would be a terrible creative decision. it seems like they want to use Brock for some kind of big match down the road. If they want that to be as big as possible he needs to win the feud.
Originally Posted by AntMan
Yep. For instance I would fawn all over Lita, AJ, and Mickie and not pay much attention to the three women discussed previously if they were all in the same room.
For me theres a difference between physical attractivness and sex appeal/being sexy. Kelly Kelly or McCool might be more attractive in the mainstream way in terms of looks but someone like Mickie knows how to be sexy. Its all in the attitude, the charisma, and the personality. She knows how to use it. I think Kelly has all the sex appeal of a styrofoam container even though she has model good looks.
The way AJ Lee slinks around on all fours sometimes? Wow. Thats sexy.
Originally Posted by
Hunter Rider
I watched SD and Impact tonight, well a version of SD that was edited down to just the 4 main matches, but I'll post something on the shows later.
I just wanted to post this while it's fresh in my mind, the end of SD was everything right about how an aging legend should use his power and status. The end on TNA was the complete opposite.
It's irrelevant that Ambrose lost, Taker shared that ring with him like an equal, they went toe to toe and Taker had to pull out a quick submission as Ambrose got cocky. Then post match The Shield destroyed the most unstoppable wrestler of the last 20 years and he took that powerbomb through a table HARD, no soft placement bulls**t.
In the space of one week and 2 shows Taker has elevated The Shield, their stock is even higher because he treat them with respect, he shared the ring like they were his equals with (the fact he can still go flat out being a bonus), and then he let them get over on him by them showing him no fear and destroying him.
On TNA Bully Ray looked like a fool running away from a geriatric Hogan after the phoniest punch exchange you'll see this side of a Shane McMahon segment. Then 2 guys with a combined age of nearly 120 cleared off a biker gang of 10 guys who had quite easily kicked the assess of the rosters younger members.....embarrassing.
Totally agree. Like I said a few days ago I'll give the story a chance and I'm glad Stings back but I was antsy about Hogan punching out Bully Ray and he and Sting clearing the ring. Hogan doesn't look credibly taking on a man like Bully anymore. Its not so much a static image thing but the fact that he moves like molasses in winter. Bully literally had to hit Hogans fist with his head because Hogan is too broken down to move.
As for The Shield...THIS is how you make stars. Ambrose lost...and it didn't even matter. The Shield mauled the biggest dog in the yard. They looked strong in losing and may have put Taker on the shelf for a while. Huge bragging rights as only some of the toughest men in the industry have been able to do that.
It wasnt some screwy pre match thing like HHH vs Sheamus when Big White FINALLY beat The Game and put him on the shelf either. The Shield were badass enough to take on and take out the Deadman at the ring area in front of everybody.
I think that at the very least they will handle them better than Nexus which had a similar storyline running because this time WWE has something special in all these guys and they know it.
Originally Posted by The Sage
I have a feeling that Taker's mentality is "Go hard or go home" when it comes to the ring.
I think the Shield is going to get involved in the Steel Cage match with Brock/HHH, giving HHH an out on the loss so he won't do a clean job.
Eventually I think it will take a Superteam to beat the Shield.
Agreed. He might be breaking down but he's not going to let it show in the ring. He takes too much pride in his work and his image as a performer. He's not there JUST for a payday like Hogan is now but he wants to give people their moneys worth.
If Haitch loses because of the Shield that would disgust me. Now a post match beatdown on HHH? That would be cool.
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
Keep The Shield undefeated until Survivor Series.
Main Event: War Games
Brock Lesnar and The Shield vs John Cena, CM Punk, Kane & The Undertaker
That's when they finally lose.
Thats a great idea. Punk gets the pin? That would be even better. The Shield finally gets beaten as a group but it takes a hell of an effort to do it. That makes them look strong.
I agree about War Games being part of Survivor Series. Its a great fit.
Originally Posted by Pink Ranger
The WWE creative team has three writers who wear black T-shirts every day. They get into the office by climbing through the windows, do their scripts for the day, then leave as a group.
That...or one of the writers plays dumb during the day but comes back at night and corrects any errors and improves The Shields booking. Just like David Banner did at that research lab in
"The Death Of The Incredible Hulk."
Originally Posted by Van Petrol
If they went this route, I'd be willing to bet Helmsley will insert himself into it.
Doing that has worked out pretty well for Mr. McMahon-Helmsley over the last 12 years so...
Originally Posted by
Hunter Rider
On a potential new member of The Shield; I'm not sure it's a good idea as that trio is working so well both on promos and in the ring. I also find it hard to see physically what type they could add to their group that would stand out.
I agree. It seems like some people think a group needs four people? I don't know why. Maybe because of the Horsemen and DX v2 (excluding Chyna). But three man groups work just as well. Theres a kind of trinity formed. It worked for the original NWO and to me...The Shield has moe in common with the NWO than they do with The Horsemen.
I think four people in the Shield would throw off their current almost perfect balance and I don't mean the kind that comes with numbers. Creatively they are firing on all cylinders.
Then there's The Freebeirds. Another awesome three man group.
On AJ post-Ziggler; I think it's time to let her stand on her own two feet in the Divas division, put some proper booking into it and see if she can lift the division.
Yeah I think she's too good to just be a valet forever. I'd hate to see her wasting the best in ring years of her career when she could be putting on some amazing matches and elevating the entire division (with the right support of course). You are right. She's an amazing performer all around. Women have a much shorter career shelf life and she should be allowed to make the most of her time in WWE.
Originally Posted by ImWithTeamConan
And on the idea of bringing in a fourth member to The Shield, if it has to be anybody I could see it being Ryback. An out of left-field choice but he could cement his heel turn by putting on the special ops uniform. It could be one of those "I could never beat them so I had to join them...also I hate John Cena and so do they" things. I mean, I could see them helping him beat Cena at Extreme Rules.
And also, it'll allow him to outgrow the Goldberg ripoff gimmick. He can still be the monster but by changing his look a little bit he'll tweak his character to a point where he can actually be a heel that says more than two sentences. The only problem is it would definitely steal from Reigns' spot in the group, and IMO it's way too early for Rollins/Ambrose to turn on Reigns.
I think despite his gimmick Ryback has enough to make it on his own. Joining to Shield might be a step backwards for him since he already did the Nexus thing. He just needs some gimmick tweaks...which he may be getting with this tweener run asnd possible heel turn.
Originally Posted by AntMan
AJ Lee is good. The way she sold those irish whips on NXT, the hammerlock bridge, and the shining wizard. She should be champion right now.
I like women's wrestling. Sue me.
Hey, man nothing wrong with watching a great match where you can also ogle the competitors. Thats called the best of both worlds.
Its the kind of supporting act draw that appeals to some of us even more than the mens matches that can't offer that.
Originally Posted by AntMan
I'm dying to see a Bryan vs Ambrose in WWE. Ambrose cut an incredible promo on Bryan in Dragon Gate USA too. It felt like The Joker was talking to Batman.
Agreed. Me...must see...match in WWE. I think these guys could tear it up if the E let them.
Originally Posted by AntMan
I see it to an extent. Ambrose is very much like Pillman in terms of his gimmick. Bryan is very similar to Owen in a lot of areas. However, Ambrose fits into the 80's heel mould in the ring. Terry Funk, Tully Blanchard, Jake Roberts, and Roddy Piper are closer to Ambrose's wrestling style. Pillman was much more of an athletic guy than Ambrose.
Totally agreed. I've never thought about it in depth the way you have and I think you nailed it.
Originally Posted by bullets
Foley said in a recent interview he wanted the matches to be more exclusive and not include all stuff on his previous releases. I noticed WWE is doing that a lot and including a commentary for matches that have been released numerous times.
I'll be holding onto my old dvd collection.
I actuallty appreciate Mick thinking that way. I can see both sides of it. For people who don't have any Foley stuff on dvd it would be best if all his best work, his signature matches, were included in this new release. but for those of us who do have older dvds it doesn't feel like we are being ripped off by paying for the same stuff all over again. I must have the KOTR 98 HIAC match on DVD ten times over. Its selfish of me to say but while I wish other people could get all the big matches on new releases I'm glad I don't have to pay for them again and am getting a dvd with more new to dvd content.
For WWE it makes more business sense to do it this way. They can sell two dvd sets instead of one if they have any of the old ones in stock. If they dont it might be harder for fans to track down those old possibly out of print releases online.
I agree with the alternate commentary. Its a great incentive to buy dvd's with matches on them that you already have on older dvds. Its one thing that pushed me over to by some newer releases where I was hesitant.
