Homecoming The Zendaya is possibly someone, maybe thread - Part 2

[PeterBenParker]

I saw what he mentioned. It is interesting.

Think when the time comes for MJ to appear, she'll have the classic scene..

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Well, damn, I found the easter egg! Anybody wanna screenshot this girl from the movie because im'a 'bout to go to IMDB to see if I can find her and if she resembles the stunt woman. I see you, Talion. Being all cryptic, but you taught me well. t:

what part of the movie is it in?

 

[harryoscop]

what part of the movie is it in?

The part where Peter is walking through the hall of the apartment complex. There's a girl next door to him, on her phone and gives him a glance

 

[Arachnerd]

Yep, that's what I was assuming as well. You can't really tell if it's the same actress though since the camera focus is on Peter.

Though it could probably be an MJ easter egg still.

*patiently awaits for Talion to say WRONG*

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I'm not sure that's an Easter egg lol

 

[spideyboy_1111]

lol... sounds like the "punisher is in Spider-man 2" nonsense... some of you read into things way too much

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I highly doubt Watts & Co. were in cahoots with the Russos before any of the prelim stuff (that we know of) was set forth for Homecoming.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I highly doubt Watts & Co. were in cahoots with the Russos before any of the prelim stuff (that we know of) was set forth for Homecoming.

Didnt Watts say he was on-set for CW? Maybe im trippin

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Didnt Watts say he was on-set for CW? Maybe im trippin

I think you're right, but observing and hanging out (which James Gunn did as well) doesn't necessarily imply a level of collaboration deep enough to vaguely foreshadow something for a move that's 1 year + away from the corner of the screen for less than a second.

I wouldn't be mad if it did, just doesn't seem likely to me is all.

 

[Talion]

I highly doubt Watts & Co. were in cahoots with the Russos before any of the prelim stuff (that we know of) was set forth for Homecoming.

Dudes... for Christ's sake. The Russo Brothers wouldn't need to be in cahoots with Jon Watts for something like this to happen. What we saw:

There is a girl next door to Peter's apartment in a cellphone. She seems to look at him, Peter isn't shown looking at her. That's the scene. I'm not saying she is Mary Jane. What I'm saying is that this is HINTING at Mary Jane, which is a different thing. And why do I say MJ and not Gwen or anyone else? Because she IS the girl next door. Not simply A girl next door, which this one probably is.

Imagine that the whole Aunt May presenting MJ thing eventually happens, in Homecoming or down the line, probably down the line. Do you remember how Peter and May talk about other kids at the end of Civil War and May thinks that the Steve he was talking about was the one with the overbite? Reverse that. May talking about this girl next door and Peter remembering his neighbors and wanting nothing to do with them, for whatever reason. In storytelling, not everything is supposed to actually be something, while this is an obvious allusion to the whole "girl next door" myth when it comes to MJ. She isn't MJ, just like the girl in the yellow umbrella was only shown later down the road after several red herrings. Jesus. Some here have some really poor comprehensive skills.

 

[harryoscop]

What the heck is the Girl with the yellow umbrella? either way, after going over the scene a couple of times, I honestly don't even think it's an MJ easter egg. Girl doesn't seem to have red hair or anything. It's probably purely coincidental. And she looked at him because he was getting close to her and that's generally what people do if they see what looks like somebody approaching them. Or she was just looking at him because she wanted to.

 

[Talion]

What the heck is the Girl with the yellow umbrella? either way, after going over the scene a couple of times, I honestly don't even think it's an MJ easter egg. Girl doesn't seem to have red hair or anything. It's probably purely coincidental. And she looked at him because he was getting close to her and that's generally what people do if they see what looks like somebody approaching them. Or she was just looking at him because she wanted to.

It is a girl living next door to Peter. It's not supposed to be MJ, but a hint hint for audiences. Not everything is literal, and you're free to think it is an Easter egg or not. For me it's an obvious one. The girl with the yellow umbrella is a reference to How I Met Your Mother. The point is that a hint doesn't mean that this is ACTUALLY MJ and if you people can't understand what I'm saying, it's not my problem. For me this isn't all that different than Favreau putting Cap's shield in Iron Man 2. It's a little nod, an obvious one since they literally placed a girl lying around next door to him. It's obvious, but not literal. Nuance, people.

 

[harryoscop]

It is a girl living next door to Peter. It's not supposed to be MJ, but a hint hint for audiences. Not everything is literal, and you're free to think it is an Easter egg or not. For me it's an obvious one. The girl with the yellow umbrella is a reference to How I Met Your Mother. The point is that a hint doesn't mean that this is ACTUALLY MJ and if you people can't understand what I'm saying, it's not my problem. For me this isn't all that different than Favreau putting Cap's shield in Iron Man 2. It's a little nod, an obvious one since they literally placed a girl lying around next door to him. It's obvious, but not literal. Nuance, people.

The Cap easter egg is not comparable at all. It was a direct allusion to the character whereas with this supposed 'MJ' thing, it's literally just a random girl sitting on a door step. Completely random.

 

[Talion]

Cap's shield easter egg is not comparable at all. It was a direct allusion to the character whereas with this supposed 'MJ' thing, it's literally just a random girl sitting on the door step.

Was that Cap shield referenced ever again? It wasn't, was it? It's a girl sitting next door to Peter's apartment. Obvious reference is obvious to me. Once again, NOT LITERAL. And that's why we can't have nice things. Some of you have the understanding of this type of things way too literal. And there is no fun in that. Feel free to see that as an Easter egg or not, but it's an obvious thought out scene in my book.

My point bringing it up in the first place was to talk about the girls that Peter is holding on that helicopter scenes. It seems like a hint to MJ, and that could happen WITHOUT MJ showing up. Which I throughly believe it's the case in Homecoming. Nods to the fans, but neither MJ or Gwen show up in Homecoming.

 

[harryoscop]

Was that Cap shield referenced ever again? It wasn't, was it? It's a girl sitting next door to Peter's apartment. Obvious reference is obvious to me. Once again, NOT LITERAL. And that's why we can't have nice things. Some of you have the understanding of this type of things way too literal. And there is no fun in that. Feel free to see that as an Easter egg or not, but it's an obvious thought out scene in my book.

My point bringing it up in the first place was to talk about the girls that Peter is holding on that helicopter scenes. It seems like a hint to MJ, and that could happen WITHOUT MJ showing up. Which I throughly believe it's the case in Homecoming. Nods to the fans, but neither MJ or Gwen show up in Homecoming.

Yeah, this definitely isn't a coincidence:

I hope it's not just c*ck tease like you're suggesting, that would so infuriating. I hope MJ is in Homecoming in a small role. Wouldn't put it past Marvel to have casted an unknown actress and kept it top secret.

 

[Arachnerd]

Yep, that's what I'm assuming at this point.

Honestly I just want the movie to get here faster so we can at least resolve the Zendaya drama once and for all.

 

[Talion]

Yeah, this definitely isn't a coincidence:

I hope it's not just c*ck tease like you're suggesting, that would so infuriating. I hope MJ is in Homecoming in a small role. Wouldn't put it past Marvel to have casted an unknown actress and kept it top secret.

Well, I fail to see how a red head with a partying dress that looks like classic MJ is that more of a nod than an actual unfocused girl lying next door to him in Civil War. Neither are MJ. And no, we don't need neither MJ or Gwen right now. We need fresh, and that's what Zendaya and Laura are in here for. Actually, I'd love to see we getting a whole trilogy without either MJ or Gwen. It's possible.

 

[Talion]

Yep, that's what I'm assuming at this point.

Honestly I just want the movie to get here faster so we can at least resolve the Zendaya drama once and for all.

It's not a drama if you just ignore what Mayimbe said. Her role is actually awesome. She doesn't need to be MJ to be important.

 

[Arachnerd]

Well, I fail to see how a red head with a partying dress that looks like classic MJ is that more of a nod than an actual unfocused girl lying next door to him in Civil War. Neither are MJ. And no, we don't need neither MJ or Gwen right now. We need fresh, and that's what Zendaya and Laura are in here for. Actually, I'd love to see we getting a whole trilogy without either MJ or Gwen. It's possible.

Possible yes, but there'd be a huge backlash from Spidey fans on that regard.

Especially since not many were too happy with Kirsten Dunt's MJ.

 

[Dark Raven]

It is a girl living next door to Peter. It's not supposed to be MJ, but a hint hint for audiences. Not everything is literal, and you're free to think it is an Easter egg or not. For me it's an obvious one. The girl with the yellow umbrella is a reference to How I Met Your Mother. The point is that a hint doesn't mean that this is ACTUALLY MJ and if you people can't understand what I'm saying, it's not my problem. For me this isn't all that different than Favreau putting Cap's shield in Iron Man 2. It's a little nod, an obvious one since they literally placed a girl lying around next door to him. It's obvious, but not literal. Nuance, people.

Now it seems as if you're reading too much into a scene. So if an overweight, donut-eating ugly goth girl with spiky black hair lived next door to Peter, that would also still be hinting at Mary Jane because she's a girl living next door to him? That seems really reaching what you're doing and then saying it isn't literal so that you don't have to commit yourself to the position if it isn't actually a hint at all.

 

[Talion]

Possible yes, but there'd be a huge backlash from Spidey fans on that regard.

Especially since not many were too happy with Kirsten Dunt's MJ.

Not sure. Taking their time doesn't mean that Marvel won't make MJ's justice. How I'm quite sure that MJ isn't showing up and never was supposed to? Well, because Zendaya is... someone else. And for that story to work, with Liz and Z's character, MJ and Gwen need to be out of picture. At least for now.

 

[Arachnerd]

Well, it is pretty obvious by now that Gwen won't come into the fold in the MCU, or at least, until a while later due to the ASM movies.

As for MJ, her last live-action appearance was in 2007, although she doesn't necessarily have to appear in Homecoming. That redhead girl Spidey rescues could be just a legitimate easter egg and not actually her.

 

[Talion]

Now it seems as if you're reading too much into a scene. So if an overweight, donut-eating ugly goth girl with spiky black hair lived next door to Peter, that would also still be hinting at Mary Jane because she's a girl living next door to him? That seems really reaching what you're doing and then saying it isn't literal so that you don't have to commit yourself to the position if it isn't actually a hint at all.

Of course not. But can we really tell if this girl has light brown hair or red? Because I've seen that unfocused scene in blu-ray countless times and I still can't put my finger on it. You and others are reading too much on what I'm saying. I've never said that she IS MJ. I said that she is a nod to MJ and the whole girl next door mythology when it comes to her and Peter. Not reaching at all, allusion is different than literal. And nuance isn't for the weak.

 

[harryoscop]

Well, I fail to see how a red head with a partying dress that looks like classic MJ is that more of a nod than an actual unfocused girl lying next door to him in Civil War. Neither are MJ. And no, we don't need neither MJ or Gwen right now. We need fresh, and that's what Zendaya and Laura are in here for. Actually, I'd love to see we getting a whole trilogy without either MJ or Gwen. It's possible.

Yeah, but it's pretty much an identical match of clothing to a dress MJ wore on a date with Peter, plus she had red hair, a lot more of a nod than some random girl sitting in the lobby next to Parkers' apartment. Plus Sony has done this several times in the past, adapting an outfit a character wore in the comics or cartoon for the movie. Abd how do you know it's not MJ? She looks exactly like the character, a whole trilogy without MJ is a ridiculous sentiment considering that we haven't see the character for nearly a DECADE. If you don't need or want MJ again, that's fine, but don't speak for all of us. I very much DO need to see MJ again, preferably in this decade, and in this movie.

 

[Talion]

Yeah, but it's pretty much an identical match of clothing to a dress MJ wore on a date with Peter, plus she had red hair, a lot more of a nod than some random girl sitting in the lobby next to Parkers' apartment. Plus Sony has done this several times in the past, adapting an outfit a character wore in the comics or cartoon for the movie. Abd how do you know it's not MJ? She looks exactly like the character, a whole trilogy without MJ is a ridiculous sentiment considering that we haven't see the character for nearly a DECADE. If you don't need or want MJ again, that's fine, but don't speak for all of us.

Because nods come in different shapes and forms. And I know that neither MJ and Gwen are in the film because they are steering away of both previous takes. Zendaya isn't MJ, neither Laura. We could even get an African-American MJ down the line, but that's not what is happening here. MJ doesn't have a role in this film, not even a minor one. Zendaya and Laura play the main female characters. Don't take the usual templates of Spider-Man films like something that they are following here. Meaning: girl in the school that is either MJ or Gwen.