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"They're Attacking Me Because I'm White!"

I'd also like to point out no matter how easy Obama supposedly has it as a presidential candidate because he is black, he has also probably had to overcome a lot more obstacles in his life as a person of color then, say, your average white male politician. Her comments still diminish his accomplishments before his presidential run and that's where I personally find them offensive.
 
I don't think that's true. it's only a factor if you bring race into it. he's not running as a black guy. he's running as a democrat who happens to be part black. it's nothing he can control. he's not out there on the campaign wearing a grill and eating fried chicken and collard greens, for pete's sake. however, if someone brings up the idea that he's only a viable candidate because of the color of his skin, i think he's got an obligation as a member of the african-american community to not let that kind of stuff drag his campaign down and to speak out against it. judge him on his policies and credentials, not on whether he's just some slick talking, non-threatening black dude who's got no business running for president. that's just going to piss off the black community, who, last i checked, make up a large portion of democratic voters.

I've never said that he is responsible for the treatment against him. I'm just saying that no one wants to go there. Anyone who does suggest anything negative against him or questions him gets a backlash and somehow creates a controversy that shouldn't be a controversy.
 
Marx, I'm listening to a radio program and a black woman just called in and gave the perspective of the black community. If a black man from Obama's campaign had said something about how Hillary is only where she is because of her husband and her gender, there would be insane outrage against a black man for attacking a white woman. It's absolutely correct. I guarantee you it would be worse than what's going on with this Ferraro thing.
 
Marx, I'm listening to a radio program and a black woman just called in and gave the perspective of the black community. If a black man from Obama's campaign had said something about how Hillary is only where she is because of her husband and her gender, there would be insane outrage against a black man for attacking a white woman. It's absolutely correct. I guarantee you it would be worse than what's going on with this Ferraro thing.

I think this campaign has come to a point where the issues of race and gender are boiling over. Everything was fine at the beginning, but it has progressed into something that is not at all good for the Democratic Party.
 
I think this campaign has come to a point where the issues of race and gender are boiling over. Everything was fine at the beginning, but it has progressed into something that is not at all good for the Democratic Party.

I agree. It needs to stop completely. Hopefully it will.
 
I posted this in another thread but I wanted to post it here too.

"Barack Obama's spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright giving a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ. In it he describes how a black Jesus was oppressed by white people and he goes on to say that, "Hillary ain't never been called a n*****...

Since I can't seem to get videos to work on this site, go to youtube.com and search for -
Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...

If a white person were saying these things, there would be hell to pay!
 
I've never said that he is responsible for the treatment against him. I'm just saying that no one wants to go there. Anyone who does suggest anything negative against him or questions him gets a backlash and somehow creates a controversy that shouldn't be a controversy.

are you saying that if someone says anything negative about something like his policies or experience they'll be attacked for being racist? if so, i don't agree with that.
 
I posted this in another thread but I wanted to post it here too.

"Barack Obama's spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright giving a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ. In it he describes how a black Jesus was oppressed by white people and he goes on to say that, "Hillary ain't never been called a n*****...

Since I can't seem to get videos to work on this site, go to youtube.com and search for -
Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...

If a white person were saying these things, there would be hell to pay!

Has she ever been called one? It's a reality that he faces and she doesn't. His pastor is a jerk in my opinion, a racist actually. Very similar to Jesse and Al. But Obama isn't. And like Clinton with this Ferraro mess, he shouldn't be criticized for it, but he's been criticized for it quite a bit by the right wing already as well as Hillary's supporters. I guess this means that when my preacher gets up there preaching right wing crap, I shouldn't listen to him on issues of spirituality. You can be a good preacher but a biased person politically. That's what I think about the likes of Jesse, Al, and Jeremiah.
 
I've never said that he is responsible for the treatment against him. I'm just saying that no one wants to go there. Anyone who does suggest anything negative against him or questions him gets a backlash and somehow creates a controversy that shouldn't be a controversy.

Well why should they go there? Why turn this into a primary about race and sex? The media is publicizing this because Ferraro made a stupid statement, and deserves to be criticized for it. Do you want the media to start suggesting too that the only reason he is where he is is because he's black? Even if there is any truth to the statement, it still diminishes everything that a black man named Barack Hussein Obama has to overcome just to get to the position he's in. The same can be said for Hillary Clinton as a woman. To say either has it easy, and they are where they are because of their race or sex pretty much ignores everything they've had to accomplish just to get to the position they are at.
 
Marx, I'm listening to a radio program and a black woman just called in and gave the perspective of the black community. If a black man from Obama's campaign had said something about how Hillary is only where she is because of her husband and her gender, there would be insane outrage against a black man for attacking a white woman. It's absolutely correct. I guarantee you it would be worse than what's going on with this Ferraro thing.

I think this campaign has come to a point where the issues of race and gender are boiling over. Everything was fine at the beginning, but it has progressed into something that is not at all good for the Democratic Party.

I posted this in another thread but I wanted to post it here too.

"Barack Obama's spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright giving a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ. In it he describes how a black Jesus was oppressed by white people and he goes on to say that, "Hillary ain't never been called a n*****...

Since I can't seem to get videos to work on this site, go to youtube.com and search for -
Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...

If a white person were saying these things, there would be hell to pay!

i agree with all of these.
 
anyone supporting hillary who attacks Obama as riding on the coattails of something besides accomplishment looses all credibility. the same can be said for hillary...

if her last name was not clinton, and she was not a woman... would she be in the place where she is now? honestly her credentials do not out weigh Obama's at all.

ferraro should not be called racist, but...

definitely should be called hypocritical.


Show me another 60-year-old white male with his charisma, speaking power, grasp of the moment and ability to TRULY reach across party lines and unite people behind him; who has shunned lobbyist money; someone who brings all of these things to the table, and has true conviction, and not a SHRED of scandal in his background (Hillary has exposed every skeleton in his closet and the closet is bare).

Unfortunately there aren't any old white guys right now who fit the bill because honest politicians who meet the above criteria come along about once in a generation. You could argue that Reagan had it. The same goes for JFK. This time around, the guy just happens to be half black.

And, if anything, his "blackness" should IMPEDE his ability to unite people behind him, as he still has to deal with racism.

Compare him to Hillary, who owes EVERYTHING SHE HAS - EVERYTHING - to the fact that she married Bill. That's the secret to her success in a nutshell. She farking married Bill Clinton and tagged along for photo-ops for 8 years. If anyone owes everything they have to what race or sex they were born, it's Hillary.
 
Marx, I'm listening to a radio program and a black woman just called in and gave the perspective of the black community. If a black man from Obama's campaign had said something about how Hillary is only where she is because of her husband and her gender, there would be insane outrage against a black man for attacking a white woman. It's absolutely correct. I guarantee you it would be worse than what's going on with this Ferraro thing.

That lady sounds like an idiot.

1. Hillary IS where she is because of her husband. Can anyone deny that Bush got where he got because of his dad and Rove?
2. There would be no outrage because a black man attacked a white woman. That situation would have nothing to do with race. That's just ignorant.
3. It would not be worse than this because if anyone suggested that what the black man said was racist, the "black leaders" would come back with, "people who suggest it are racist." He would be martyrized because he was attacked for stateing a very valid opinion...... and he was black.

I posted this in another thread but I wanted to post it here too.

"Barack Obama's spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright giving a sermon at Trinity United Church of Christ. In it he describes how a black Jesus was oppressed by white people and he goes on to say that, "Hillary ain't never been called a n*****...

Since I can't seem to get videos to work on this site, go to youtube.com and search for -
Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...

If a white person were saying these things, there would be hell to pay!

Wow, a "black Jesus" I didn't know there were two Jesus'. Is there an "Asian Jesus" too? :whatever: And what does Hillary ever being called a ****** have to do with anything? Has Obama ever been called a ****?

anyone supporting hillary who attacks Obama as riding on the coattails of something besides accomplishment looses all credibility. the same can be said for hillary...

if her last name was not clinton, and she was not a woman... would she be in the place where she is now? honestly her credentials do not out weigh Obama's at all.

ferraro should not be called racist, but...

definitely should be called hypocritical.


Show me another 60-year-old white male with his charisma, speaking power, grasp of the moment and ability to TRULY reach across party lines and unite people behind him; who has shunned lobbyist money; someone who brings all of these things to the table, and has true conviction, and not a SHRED of scandal in his background (Hillary has exposed every skeleton in his closet and the closet is bare).

Unfortunately there aren't any old white guys right now who fit the bill because honest politicians who meet the above criteria come along about once in a generation. You could argue that Reagan had it. The same goes for JFK. This time around, the guy just happens to be half black.

And, if anything, his "blackness" should IMPEDE his ability to unite people behind him, as he still has to deal with racism.

Compare him to Hillary, who owes EVERYTHING SHE HAS - EVERYTHING - to the fact that she married Bill. That's the secret to her success in a nutshell. She farking married Bill Clinton and tagged along for photo-ops for 8 years. If anyone owes everything they have to what race or sex they were born, it's Hillary.

As I've said before, it's his blackness AND whiteness that's helping him, as well as his lighter tone. Not to say that everything else you've said about him isn't valid, but he wouldn't be the media darling he is if he was just white or very black, IMO.
 
Why is she apologizing? Didn't she reject and repudiate them yesterday? That's pretty much the same thing as an apology. She has nothing to apologize for in this. Ferraro does, though it looks like she won't. I feel bad for Hillary on this one.
 
Why is she apologizing? Didn't she reject and repudiate them yesterday? That's pretty much the same thing as an apology. She has nothing to apologize for in this. Ferraro does, though it looks like she won't. I feel bad for Hillary on this one.

I don't believe that Hillary should be apologizing at all. She has already rejected, denounced, repudiated, etc. Ferraro's comments. As I said before, what more do people expect her to do? You cannot control what your supporters or endorsers say.
 
I don't believe that Hillary should be apologizing at all. She has already rejected, denounced, repudiated, etc. Ferraro's comments. As I said before, what more do people expect her to do? You cannot control what your supporters or endorsers say.

I agree. Maybe she's just trying to reach out to black voters who feel hurt by it and make it very clear to them that she had nothing to do with it. But as you mentioned, she really didn't need to.
 
anyone supporting hillary who attacks Obama as riding on the coattails of something besides accomplishment looses all credibility. the same can be said for hillary...

if her last name was not clinton, and she was not a woman... would she be in the place where she is now? honestly her credentials do not out weigh Obama's at all.

ferraro should not be called racist, but...

definitely should be called hypocritical.


Show me another 60-year-old white male with his charisma, speaking power, grasp of the moment and ability to TRULY reach across party lines and unite people behind him; who has shunned lobbyist money; someone who brings all of these things to the table, and has true conviction, and not a SHRED of scandal in his background (Hillary has exposed every skeleton in his closet and the closet is bare).

Unfortunately there aren't any old white guys right now who fit the bill because honest politicians who meet the above criteria come along about once in a generation. You could argue that Reagan had it. The same goes for JFK. This time around, the guy just happens to be half black.

And, if anything, his "blackness" should IMPEDE his ability to unite people behind him, as he still has to deal with racism.

Compare him to Hillary, who owes EVERYTHING SHE HAS - EVERYTHING - to the fact that she married Bill. That's the secret to her success in a nutshell. She farking married Bill Clinton and tagged along for photo-ops for 8 years. If anyone owes everything they have to what race or sex they were born, it's Hillary.


My only problem with your comments, Zen, are that as of now...Obama has NOT proven that he can reach across party lines. In fact, he is one of the most polarizing figures in the Democratic party. Republicans do not seem to like him because he is extremely liberal and noting in his senate tenure implies that he can cross lines. In other words, even though Obama says he can cross lines and unite, his actions do not back up those words.
 
Ever heard of his legislation with Republican Senator Dick Lugar? Or his successful efforts in a Republican-controlled Illinois senate to reform health care in that state? Also, do you have any quotes to prove that Republicans dislike him in Congress? And by the way, neither Clinton nor Obama are true liberals. Not by a long shot. Kucinich makes Obama and Clinton look like Republicans.
 
she said the Obama campaign was calling her racist, which is incorrect.
she also said the same thing about Jesse Jackson in '88.











Also, someone tell me anything she's done for the advancement of civil rights for non-white americans?
 
My only problem with your comments, Zen, are that as of now...Obama has NOT proven that he can reach across party lines. In fact, he is one of the most polarizing figures in the Democratic party. Republicans do not seem to like him because he is extremely liberal and noting in his senate tenure implies that he can cross lines. In other words, even though Obama says he can cross lines and unite, his actions do not back up those words.
And, they supposedly love Hillary...because? She's the perfect target to get the faithful wired up.
 
I'd also like to point out no matter how easy Obama supposedly has it as a presidential candidate because he is black, he has also probably had to overcome a lot more obstacles in his life as a person of color then, say, your average white male politician. Her comments still diminish his accomplishments before his presidential run and that's where I personally find them offensive.

Dude, mellow the hell out.

No one is talking about things in the context of his personal life or career as a community planner or career as state or national senator. Everything that is said at this point is in regards to his PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN! That is the context. You have to learn to understand that.
 
As a career politican she should know better, but the comments are completely blown out of porportion.

No you did not just....

:mad:


If you haven't noticed, there is a pattern here with stuff like this--and it's timed in accordance with each primary where the white vote is substantial. For example:

It was Bill making the race comments in South Carolina--complete with the original "Jesse Jackson" comment (Jesse Jackson is another polarizing figure that isn't exactly loved by the white community BTW).

It's Hillary's "half-truth" that Obama is not a Muslim "as far she knows."

It's Hillary saying Obama has nothing to offer but a speech from 2002.

It's Hillary saying John McCain and her are ready to be president but not Obama.

It's Hillary saying that only the states she's won count.


And now we've got her cohorts injecting comments that are sure to piss off anti-affirmative action nuts before the Penn. primary. Surely you can see the rhyme and reason with all of this Matt. It was DESIGNED to be blown out of proportion--and it's intent is to damage Obama. Can't you see that?
 
Why is she apologizing? Didn't she reject and repudiate them yesterday? That's pretty much the same thing as an apology. She has nothing to apologize for in this. Ferraro does, though it looks like she won't. I feel bad for Hillary on this one.

She is on total damage control now, that's why she's apologizing. The African American community is totally buzzing about all this stuff. It'd be one thing if it was just one or two instances of clear race baiting. But like I said, it's becoming a pattern with Hillary's campaign now, and people are sitting up and taking notice.

She's also trying to make peace now because if Obama does not get the nomination, she will NEED the African American community to support her in the General Election. Hence the old saying "Burning Bridges." :cool:
 
My only problem with your comments, Zen, are that as of now...Obama has NOT proven that he can reach across party lines. In fact, he is one of the most polarizing figures in the Democratic party. Republicans do not seem to like him because he is extremely liberal and noting in his senate tenure implies that he can cross lines. In other words, even though Obama says he can cross lines and unite, his actions do not back up those words.


Hes fostered bills with Lugar, worked with coburn on ethics bill, Senator dillard (R) says republicans respected him and his negotiation skills. worked with McCain on the secure america and immigration act.

hes stated publicly that he plans on puttin republicans in his cabinet such as Hagel and lugar.

his tone helps to, if it stays the way it is... he does not disenfranchize republican law makers...

"You know, very rarely do you hear me talking about my opponents without giving them some credit for having good intentions and being decent people," he said. "I think that I would explicitly reach out to disaffected Republicans and remind them of some of their traditions. I mean, there's nothing uniquely Democratic about a respect for civil liberties. There's nothing uniquely Democratic about believing in a foreign policy of restraint. You know, a lot of the virtues I talk about are virtues that are deeply embedded in the Republican Party.... The Democrats don't have the monopoly on wisdom, but we have to make some sharp breaks from the failed administration policies of the past."

no one else is talking like this. i understand it is just that... talk, but this perception helps.

theres articles about him organizing basketball games and poker games with republicans and democrats in the state senate. all of his colleagues praise him as someone who is easy to work with.

and then i think a case can be made that he is a transformational figure. i think he is not nearly as divisive as clinton, the history his election would make would foster an atmosphere of cooperation in my opinion.

i think republicans do like him. there certainly are alot of republican voters who do, and i do not remember seeing specific instances of republicans disliking him for valid reasons besides his candiacy. everything i've seen is positive.

I can see it Matt, perhaps i am blinded a bit by a bias that has slowly crept over me since last november... Perhaps. but i do not think it is accurate to say he has no experience in reaching across party lines, or that there is no perception that he can.

granted it is said he has an extremely liberal voting record, im not going to balk at reality here... but i see him working with everyone. hes not tied to special interests and hes a unique character the likes we may have never seen. change can be fostered in such an arena.

Any nominee can promise it, and they do... i think his cantor in this campaign, his history of working well with others and his historic candiacy will force change if he will, and i think he will.
 
he is extremely liberal
Matt, It seems like on the one hand you don't like him because he's too liberal, when I also remember you attacking him for taking too conservative a stance where it regards big business. [RandomLocalHackNewscaster]Which is it, Councilman?[/RandomLocalHackNewscaster]
 

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