"They're Attacking Me Because I'm White!"

[redfirebird2008]

At the very least in all of this, she was playing the gender card big time in her comments.

 

[jaguarr]

[Kanye]Geraldine Ferraro doesn't care about black people![/Kanye]

jag

 

[comicgirl]

[Kanye]Geraldine Ferraro doesn't care about black people![/Kanye]

jag

she cares about herself.........................period.

I'll bet Lou Dobbs and the rest have her on the show. Maybe she can get booked on SNL.

 

[jaguarr]

I'd rather see her get booked on campaign fund embezzlement charges.

jag

 

[sinewave]

olbermann's special comment about this tonight was pretty good.

 

[comicgirl]

olbermann's special comment about this tonight was pretty good.

Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Olbermann for Pres!!!!!t:t:t:

 

[redfirebird2008]

Wow, Pat Buchanan just told a female to shut up on MSNBC. I bet he's gonna get in some trouble for that.

 

[Matt]

olbermann's special comment about this tonight was pretty good.

I'm not a big Olbermann fan. He comes off as very smug. Or maybe I'm thinking of Anderson Cooper. Meh, they probably both do. Most analysts and talk hosts for cable news networks are smug SOBs.

 

[comicgirl]

Wow, Pat Buchanan just told a female to shut up on MSNBC. I bet he's gonna get in some trouble for that.

yeah, a black female........Check out Barbara Bush's bio; she calls Buchanan "the most blatant racist she'd ever met." Groovy. Who is that "dude looks like a lady" from Air America?




Shut up, ya uppidity ******..........................he's sickening

 

[redfirebird2008]

I'm not a big Olbermann fan. He comes off as very smug. Or maybe I'm thinking of Anderson Cooper. Meh, they probably both do. Most analysts and talk hosts for cable news networks are smug SOBs.

Damn right he's smug. He's the only one that's willing to say the truth about Bush. He calls him a liar every night on his show.

 

[comicgirl]

I'm not a big Olbermann fan. He comes off as very smug. Or maybe I'm thinking of Anderson Cooper. Meh, they probably both do. Most analysts and talk hosts for cable news networks are smug SOBs.

it's their personal forum/soap box. I rather like Anderson. He's tries to see all sides of the issue.

Spoiler

BTW, his mother is Gloria Vanderbilt and he's gay. His book Dispatches from the Edge is live! ..........Go, Anderson!

 

[Zen]

Working as a state legislature is a whole different ball game and you are smart enough to know that. Again, its like saying a baseball player will automatically be good at football or basketball.

What was Abe lincolns national experience again?


and to a lesser extent... FDR, teddy, cleveland... barely had more. wilson had none if im correct... and round it off with Clinton, who was criticized for not having alot of experience as well


give up this angle. plenty of presidents on both sides of the aisle who had PLENTY of experience have turned out to be horrible.


i think the presidency should be centered on ability to work with people on both sides of the aisle, solid judgement, and get the people into the process as much as you can.

Experience honestly is a hollow marker for success.

do you honestly think the handfull of years clinton had over bush jr in years as govenor... made him that much more of a better policy president (morals aside )

no... its judgement... working with people, and getting people into the process.

there is no experience in being the president except when you ARE the president... unless your analogy is trying to say that being a president, govenor, senator, whatever... are all the same thing. thats not the case.

i think it would have been better if you compared rookies to Vets. even then the point stands... there is no way to have experience that equates to being a good president outside of being a president.

regardless... sometimes the Rookies come out of the bullpen or off the sidelines with more fire and ferver then any veteren on the field... and become huge playmakers. then again theres always the reiprical...

 

[Franklin Richards]

well... that and you have to know what country Doha is the capital of...

 

[comicgirl]

What was Abe lincolns national experience again?


and to a lesser extent... FDR, teddy, cleveland... barely had more. wilson had none if im correct... and round it off with Clinton, who was criticized for not having alot of experience as well


give up this angle. plenty of presidents on both sides of the aisle who had PLENTY of experience have turned out to be horrible.


i think the presidency should be centered on ability to work with people on both sides of the aisle, solid judgement, and get the people into the process as much as you can.

Experience honestly is a hollow marker for success.

do you honestly think the handfull of years clinton had over bush jr in years as govenor... made him that much more of a better policy president (morals aside )

no... its judgement... working with people, and getting people into the process.

Well, it should be easy then. McCain is a hothead and Hillary is known as an isolationist in the Senate. My way or the highway, salt the earth if you don't like it. Great.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Obama looks to win,so people are doing anything to stop him. Even using the racial terms.

 

[Matt]

What was Abe lincolns national experience again?


and to a lesser extent... FDR, teddy, cleveland... barely had more. wilson had none if im correct... and round it off with Clinton, who was criticized for not having alot of experience as well


give up this angle. plenty of presidents on both sides of the aisle who had PLENTY of experience have turned out to be horrible.


i think the presidency should be centered on ability to work with people on both sides of the aisle, solid judgement, and get the people into the process as much as you can.

Experience honestly is a hollow marker for success.

do you honestly think the handfull of years clinton had over bush jr in years as govenor... made him that much more of a better policy president (morals aside )

no... its judgement... working with people, and getting people into the process.

there is no experience in being the president except when you ARE the president... unless your analogy is trying to say that being a president, govenor, senator, whatever... are all the same thing. thats not the case.

i think it would have been better if you compared rookies to Vets. even then the point stands... there is no way to have experience that equates to being a good president outside of being a president.

regardless... sometimes the Rookies come out of the bullpen or off the sidelines with more fire and ferver then any veteren on the field... and become a huge playmaker.

Lincoln lived in a different time. Its not fair to compare Lincoln to modern standards as it wasn't really until Lincoln that being President even became a full time job. Prior to Lincoln the president pretty much did nothing. FDR served a FULL TERM as governor of New York. Teddy was vice president and governor of New York. Cleveland, also governor of New York. But this has nothing to do with experience. It has to do with the double standard of the media IN A MODERN PERSPECTIVE (so stop comparing century old events when there was not a television media to modern times, please).

Just 4 years ago, we saw the media trash John Edwards nonstop due to his lack of experience. Edwards, mind you, had triple the experience Obama. I am not commenting as to whether or not experience is an issue. That is up to each and every voter to decide for themselves. I am commenting that the media gave Obama a free pass on this and several other issues such as not having a coherrant platform until 2 weeks before Super Tuesday because he is black and that automatically made him a ratings grabbing, newspaper selling candidate.

My point is, if a white candidate attempted to run for the presidency with 2 years in senate as his only experience on the national platform, he would be laughed out of the race. Obama got a pass though. I am not saying he is a senator because he is black, I am not saying he is where he is today because he is black. I am saying he got a free pass during the primary from the media and higher ups in the party because he is black.

 

[Matt]

Obama looks to win,so people are doing anything to stop him. Even using the racial terms.

She did not use a single "racial term."

 

[Zen]

(so stop comparing century old events when there was not a television media to modern times, please).

so the age of television is what demands experience of our politicians, not...you know...ethics, newspapers, pundits of the time, community leaders and public speakers.... or anything which despite your argument still existed in the papers and media of the time. i would think that back then, candidates were more scrutinized based on policy rather then image precisely because of a lack of TV... not the other way around

the argument your making about how those past presidents are irelevent based on the television is very confusing, bordering on incomprehensible...

???

how does a TV make experience experience more important? ...or devaluing the comparison?

 

[Franklin Richards]

The world is more meticulous now.

 

[Matt]

so the age of television is what demands experience, not...you know...ethics, or anything which despite your argument still existed in the papers and media of the time.

the argument your making about how those past presidents are irelevent based on the television is very confusing, bordering on incomprehensible...

???

how does a TV make experience experience more important? ...or devaluing the comparison?

TV and the internet making evaluating one's experience far more accessible to the average voter. There is a level of information that was not avaliable in the past. With two clicks on Google one can now learn everything they need to about a candidates voting record. We can see countless analysts and strategists duking it out on Meet the Press. Its created a new age. Anyhow Zen, I expected better from you than to ignore the entire bulk of my argument and respond to one sentence.

 

[Zen]

She did not use a single "racial term."

i agree with you on the ferraro thing, i dont think she made the comments out of some racist sentiment. i think they were mearly very careless.

 

[comicgirl]

She did not use a single "racial term."

Obama "wouldn't be succeeding in the presidential race if he weren't black."


'They're attacking me because I'm white'

So, her throwing those sticks of dynamite and then wrapping herself in the "they called me a racist" (false) flag is definately not fanning the racial flames. Let us not forget '88 and her comments about Jesse Jackson.


Let me float something down on you real quick..........there's more than one way to call someone a (Black racial slur) a (Irish racial slur) or a (Hispanic racial slur).

 

[souvlaki]

A big huge LOL at some of the people in this thread. Yes, because a black man with a name that sounds Muslim always has it easier in the US. Give me a break. Some people really need to get a clue.

 

[Matt]

i agree with you on the ferraro thing, i dont think she made the comments out of some racist sentiment. i think they were mearly very careless.

As a career politican she should know better, but the comments are completely blown out of porportion.

 

[Zen]

TV and the internet making evaluating one's experience far more accessible to the average voter. There is a level of information that was not avaliable in the past. With two clicks on Google one can now learn everything they need to about a candidates voting record. We can see countless analysts and strategists duking it out on Meet the Press. Its created a new age. Anyhow Zen, I expected better from you than to ignore the entire bulk of my argument and respond to one sentence.

i responded to the entirety of a single post. i didn't cut. i realize it referenced an earlier argument, but i commented on your support for ferraro's argmument for lack of experience.

hey man if your looking for my opinion on the rest of your argument you got it,

i agree with most of what you said.

the experience angle fires me up because its vague and baseless.

As for ferraros words, i think they were extremely careless... more so then one of Obama's staffers calling clinton a monster.

but being directly racist. i just don't think it was.

however... her saying Obama should apologize to her was rediculous.

aside from the experience thing, i don't really have much i can say with what your argument was, because i agree with it. when you brought in the experience analogy of your own you were trying to agree with her sentiment... and i think that argument is something to address.... whether or not ferraro is a racist, well i think shes just a victim of a very sensitive political sphere... one that sees someone saying the word monster... gettin worse treatment by the political campaign she supported.