Apocalypse Things you didn't like in X-Men: Apocalypse (Spoilers)

[psylockolussus]

And to be fair to Ratner, X3 was rushed into production unlike Apocalypse, they were working on the story even before DOFp was released. They had more time to produce a good film and the visual effects looked worse compare to the previous X-Men team films.

 

[henzINNIT]

Ratner sucks, no question. He can point a camera well enough though, he wasn't as destructive to TLS as the script was.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Who's making excuses for X3? And no, we are not gonna throw personal insults here. Anyway, how about we stop making X3 look bad just to say Apocalypse wasn't that bad? Next thing, you'd be comparing it to Origins: Wolverine.

Exactly!, X3 does that by itself

 

[First Avenger]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks both X3 and XA are similar in quality.

 

[iacobusleo]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks both X3 and XA are similar in quality.

I think both movies are similar in storytelling quality, but ultimately X3 is far more offensive than XA. On the flip side, X3 is actually rather entertaining if you shut your brain off for a bit (due to its short running time and overt focus on action), while XA can be quite slow for about half of its running time. So choose your poison. XD

 

[First Avenger]

I think both movies are similar in storytelling quality, but ultimately X3 is far more offensive than XA. On the flip side, X3 is actually rather entertaining if you shut your brain off for a bit (due to its short running time and overt focus on action), while XA can be quite slow for about half of its running time. So choose your poison. XD

I agree with this a lot. I would choose the shorter movie honestly. XD Apocalypse as story goes is not as offensive or controversial as TLS for X-Men fans but the story is not interesting at all,plus it's overlong based on the simple end of the world story it wants to tell. I lost interest pretty soon because it was rather unengaging and I didn't like their take on Apocalypse at all,while X3 is so fast paced it flies by when you watch it. But on the whole I'd rate them similarly.

 

[Neptune]

So i watched this movie again, just for laughs and this is undoubtedly one of the worst X-men movies. Right up there with X-3, the wolverine and Origins. There's lots of things about this movie i hate but my biggest gripe is Apocalypse. He was just awful.

 

[Mystique's Leg]

For me, it's difficult to compare the faults of X3 and XA.

As blockbusters, they're both entertaining and certainly not in the same 'bad' category as Elektra, Catwoman, Origins, Batman & Robin,... (or, dare I say, even Suicide Squad).

Both concepts of X3 (The Phoenix and the cure) are very interesting and strong, but the movie is too short to go deeper.

For XA, it's rather the opposite. Apocalypse may be a popular comicbook villain, but for the duration of one movie he's just another generic bombastic villain a la Thanos or Doomsday. The story is quite simplistic and tries to be a (tiring) destruction movie. Luckily, there are moments the story and the villain elevate themselves, like when Apocalypse takes over Cerebro or the fight on the Astral Plane. The charisma of Oscar Isaac also helps.

 

[Neptune]

I think execution is more important than concept. Just look at suicide squad. The concept of a supervillain team doing black ops style missions sounds awesome, but then the movie is just another generic under written crapfest. And they try to trick us by saying the movie isn't for critics, it's for fans Yeah...because critics can't possibly be fans of comics and fans can't possibly be critical.

The same goes for this movie and X-3. The concepts are cool, the execution is horrible. I'm seriously worried about the future of this franchise. Everytime Kinberg opens his mouth i get sad and think about what Marvel could do with X-men. He just doesn't get it and he never will.

 

[psylockolussus]

I was just watching the clip of Psylocke/Archangel fighting with the good mutants, I liked their teamwork as horsemen. I was entertained but then I realized that it was the only thing that Psylocke had in the movie that I found entertaining. I kinda hate that I'm trying to appreciate every single thing that she did in the movie when she could have gotten a bigger or more meaningful role.

 

[Mystique's Leg]

I was just watching the clip of Psylocke/Archangel fighting with the good mutants, I liked their teamwork as horsemen. I was entertained but then I realized that it was the only thing that Psylocke had in the movie that I found entertaining. I kinda hate that I'm trying to appreciate every single thing that she did in the movie when she could have gotten a bigger or more meaningful role.

Agreed, I was also surprised that Angel was given more motivation to join Apocalypse than Psylocke. It was not much, but at least that scene in the barn gave some perspective and it was easily his best scene in which Ben Hardy really could act and show some character. Psylocke had nothing but her action scenes.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Agreed, I was also surprised that Angel was given more motivation to join Apocalypse than Psylocke. It was not much, but at least that scene in the barn gave some perspective and it was easily his best scene in which Ben Hardy really could act and show some character. Psylocke had nothing but her action scenes.

I think for psylocke it was meant to be more subtle, she was attracted to men with power and what they could offer her, thats why she backstabbed caliban, its pretty much what i think singer was getting at when he associated psylocke being similar to a cult member who sleeps with the leader of the cult

obviously that may not be the sorta of development people hoped for but i am guessing that was the idea

 

[BeholdMe]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks both X3 and XA are similar in quality.

I actually agree with this. It was just to much trying to be squeezed into one movie and the outcome just wasn't that great eventhough it could've been great. They seriously dropped the ball.

 

[JoeyConQueso]

One of the big disappointments I had was that the one thing that actually had me looking forward to the movie, and the aspect I've heard universally praised, was what they decided to trim. I really wanted to see a movie that reintroduced and focused on the young X-Men team. They did such a good job casting the young actors and then it feels like they kind of wasted in the chaos of the movie. I wanted to get to know these versions, see what makes them tick and see why they're on the team. With all of the past films, the X-Men team members have always remained mysteries for the most part except for Wolverine, the one guy that's supposed to be enigmatic. I wish that they'd given them a smaller adventure to work with this time or that the Apocalypse threat wasn't quite as insane as it was so that they could have done more character building. I have my fingers crossed that they can retain the cast for another movie but thinking that they might use another decade long time jump has me worried that it would be another wasted opportunity to really get to know these characters.

 

[psylockolussus]

thinking that they might use another decade long time jump has me worried that it would be another wasted opportunity to really get to know these characters.

Not doing a long time jump will not ensure Storm, Psylocke, Angel, Beast, Jubilee for getting a bigger role.

And yes, you could develop and find out more about the characters even with a time - jump if only the writers will give them something to do other than to stand and act as eye-candies.

 

[JoeyConQueso]

It's just about them getting a bigger role. I want to get to know them as I see them developing as superheroes. Skipping ahead 10 years, I'd think they should already be fully developed in that area; going from clueless rookies to war vets, and we don't get to see how. I'm also pretty over the whole "22 year old playing 45 year old" thing they've been doing with the franchise.

 

[henzINNIT]

It's just about them getting a bigger role. I want to get to know them as I see them developing as superheroes. Skipping ahead 10 years, I'd think they should already be fully developed in that area; going from clueless rookies to war vets, and we don't get to see how. I'm also pretty over the whole "22 year old playing 45 year old" thing they've been doing with the franchise.

They would either skip over it, or (even worse in my opinion) pick up 10 years later with these kids still in similar positions. It reminds me of Beast, who seems to be developing really slowly because of the gaps between movies. There was so much character potential missed in Apocalypse that another jump would sting. The non-aging characters are most definitely wearing thin also.

 

[craigaat]

I didn't like Mystique in any way, but the movie was better than I expected. I actually think it's the best of all the prequels.

 

[Jaxon]

So I finally got around to watching this because X-men movies just aren't good so I keep avoiding it. So my expectations were low and all I can say is I got through it.
I don't know how you would save this franchise other than trying to tell smaller more personal stories.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

You know, I heard that Civil War was made as an answer to X-men Apocalypse. Walking out of Civil War I was wishing they would of been the ones to make X-men Apocalypse.

The fight scene in Civil War where Ant Man grew, is exactly the same kind of cinematography that we should of gotten in X-men Apocalypse. But instead we got pure trash.

The fight scenes were horrible, absolutely horrible. Its like they don't know how to put more than one person making an athletic move in a shot. Where Civil War had 5, 6, 7 characters in the same shot fighting simultaneously, X-men has to show one person throw a car, then show a completely different shot of another character dodging the car.

Apocalypse was awfully done. His dialogue was trash, and I didn't care for his voice either. He should of been 90-100% CGI. Instead of 100% CGI of the background in those whack fight scenes, or in Magneto ripping apart the fabric of the earth, CGI a character who doesn't look human at all instead of putting a human with shoulder pads out there.

All that being said, I was entertained, but unfortunately its not a movie I can watch over and over again like I was hoping it would be.

Civil War is however.

 

[NotNickFury]

This is a very minor and really insignificant nitpick, but while I like the fact that we got some slightly comic accurate costumes in that final Danger Room sequence, I'd still like to see something vibrant and brighter. Costumes that pop.

I get why the X-Men films started off with that all black motif, but really, I think the likes of Deadpool, Spider-Man, and many of the MCU films- even the CW DC shows- have shown that you can have bright, colorful costumes and they don't look ridiculous.

While we got close with the end of Apocalypse, they still have that black militant design that we've had since 2000. At this point, I'd just like something brighter and feels like the comic costumes come to life, which is what I get from looking at Iron Man, Deadpool, Flash, Thor, and countless other examples. Heck, even Jubilee looks ripped right from the panels and she's not even part of the main team.

Again, I know it's a really minor thing to bring up and probably sounds ridiculous, but given that we're dealing with a younger team of X-Men, and how even First Class got close with the yellow and blue costumes, I'd like to see outfits that pop.

 

[Flint Marko]

And to be fair to Ratner, X3 was rushed into production unlike Apocalypse, they were working on the story even before DOFp was released. They had more time to produce a good film and the visual effects looked worse compare to the previous X-Men team films.

Didn't know that. Makes the whole thing more embarrassing.

 

[CB Fan]

After watching again:

The film itself could've been at least two films long with a much more epic scope

Waste of another classic X-Men villain

Retread of previous movies that wasn't necessary at all

Quicksilver music sequence (I saw the film twice opening weekend and nobody in the half filled theaters laughed during either showing but they loved when he was beating up on Apocalypse)

More Magneto overuse and retread

Storm is underused/developed yet again

They felt the need to make this a first class trilogy focusing on characters who arguably completed their arcs in DoFP.

Quicksilver looks for his father, finds him and basically says "eh, never mind".

Psylocke is pretty much OT Mystique

Angel possibly dead and a bit of a dick.

Simon Kinberg wrote and Bryan Singer Directed

 

[Fervid09]

So I quite liked the movie overall and I don't feel any animosity towards any of the actors or crew, so this is an absolutely honest question without any shade intended, but: Is there anyone here who has any idea (or theories or speculations) about why this movie ended up the way it did? Like several others here, I also think XM:A is inferior to DOFP in a lot of ways (plot, storytelling, CGI) that I can't believe the same people are behind them (Bryan Singer, Kinberg, the same VFX company, I assume)...so has anyone heard of any drama/conflicts/whatever behind the scenes that set this movie back so hard? I initially thought it was because there were only 2 years gap of production between DOFP and XM:A instead of the usual 3 years and that it surely would have been one of the factors that affected XM:A's overall quality (because of deadlines, no time to revise scripts, relying on more digital effects instead of practical, shorter time to polish VFX, etc.) but as some people have said here, they actually started pre-production before DOFP was even released. Also, I quite remember Bryan Singer tweeting about Apocalypse being the next movie on December 2013, so they must have planned this out heavily and it wasn't just a spur of a moment decision by FOX because of DOFP's success.

So...what the hell happened during production? What do you guys think?

Normally, I would just put this down to directors/writers being humans too and making colossal mistakes now and then even after achieving success, but the VFX quality is what's throwing me off. I mean, I'd understand if the scandal pertaining to Bryan Singer affected him so deeply that it affected his work, and Kinberg will be Kinberg I guess, but what the hell happened to the CGI? In an X-Men movie, in this day and age, and especially after the CGI quality in DOFP, what the hell happened in Apocalypse?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Chances are they hadn't planned anything out untill the time of writing the story treatment.

As for any problems I am willing to bet there were no issues beyond the effects guys working on jungle book at the same time as apocalypse.

Apocalypse was much more busier then DOFP, that's pretty much all it is, they wanted to do everything with it so it was a bigger balancing act to pull off.