Apocalypse Things you didn't like in X-Men: Apocalypse (Spoilers)

[Metamorpheus]

Moira and stryker

Stryker's role in the movie had nothing to do with Apocalypse, and Moira almost served as a mere observer. I'm talking about world leaders and millions of humans reacting with outrage to the destruction that was taking place. We got a few clips of meeting rooms, blank stares and military personnel but it's almost as if all the humans went into hiding.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Stryker's role in the movie had nothing to do with Apocalypse, and Moira almost served as a mere observer. I'm talking about world leaders and millions of humans reacting with outrage to the destruction that was taking place. We got a few clips of meeting rooms, blank stares and military personnel but it's almost as if all the humans went into hiding.

I liked the stuff with Magneto in the foundry and forest, but like you said, it seemed like they disappeared when Apocalypse showed up.

 

[DavidHaller]

after the Quicksilver scene this whole movie became such a trainwreck. I am wondering if it is possible that they simply did not finish editing and special effects in time? Did anything happened behind the scenes we don't know? Was Singer maybe replaced by a Skrull?

 

[Metamorpheus]

this human-less situation was also completely random in Kairo! Suddenly all human inhabitants of the city just vanished and only five mutants emerged infront of green screens (or worse all humans got killed by Apocalypse without any explicit scenes of misery taking place or the X-Men trying to save civilians).

I think a scene where the four horsemen attack the Egyptian military, who try to save civilians would have been nice and the X-Men doing some heroics as a team saving people while fighting the horsemen (instead of these mediocre, bad choreographed X-Men vs. horsemen fights in debris...)

It is quite sad that X-Men Evolution did a better job doing the Apocalypse storyline than Singer's movie...

Exactly, the lack (or lack of appearance) of collateral damage made the situation seem less perilous. There were no scenes of people evacuating the cities, you'd think there'd be millions of people fleeing cities given the sudden threat, instead Cairo was merely deserted. The one on one battles made the final scene feel one dimensional, your idea of the horsemen wreaking havoc and destruction while the X-Men were saving humans would've made the final scene more epic.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Why would the horseman wreak havoc? They were already wiping the world clean so why would they spend time trying to kill people?

its easy to say what should have been but there is no point saying stuff should have happened within the same idea they were doing on screen.

 

[DavidHaller]

Why would the horseman wreak havoc? They were already wiping the world clean so why would they spend time trying to kill people?

its easy to say what should have been but there is no point saying stuff should have happened within the same idea they were doing on screen.

to produce empathy in the audience! Audiences are completely disconnected from the plot when everything becomes CGI porn without a human centre. Killing individual human beings produces stronger emotional affects than seeing redunantly landmarks getting destroyed - strangely without any human being involved at all!! hello? where is everyone? the world is getting destroyed maybe run for your life?! Where are all Egyptian people of Kairo and why is the audience not allowed to care for them? Why are there no dead bodies anywhere? And why does Storm not care for any of them?

the movie was critically ripped apart and I think it is just fair to think about ways how this disappointing movie catastrophe could have be a little bit less horrible...

 

[DavidHaller]

Exactly, the lack (or lack of appearance) of collateral damage made the situation seem less perilous. There were no scenes of people evacuating the cities, you'd think there'd be millions of people fleeing cities given the sudden threat, instead Cairo was merely deserted. The one on one battles made the final scene feel one dimensional, your idea of the horsemen wreaking havoc and destruction while the X-Men were saving humans would've made the final scene more epic.

exactly! showing a small group of people standing infront of green screen is just bad directed cinema. Magneto vs. Apocalypse was so bad. it is hard to watch..honestly, how could Singer fall into this dumb genre trap??? Did he turned of his brain entirely? Hasn't he seen Kinberg's FANTASTIC FOUR to learn from these mistakes? The ending there is exactly the same ******** without imagination!

Apocalypse should have been portraied as being menacing but Singer never achieved that.

 

[henzINNIT]

I think there must have been some struggles behind the scenes on this one. All the last minute CGI destruction felt tacked on, and is coincedently something we know Singer had trouble with. Singer was interested in the history and ideology of Apocalypse and found himself directing a disaster porn movie. I wonder if that was just a creative mis-step, or if there was external pressure to up the ante.

 

[Legion]

I wouldn't even call it disaster porn though. They kept calling it a disaster movie but I really didn't see it like that at all. You could have went to use the restroom and missed all of the "destruction".

 

[psylockolussus]

It was totally lacking of the end of the world imagery.

 

[X-Maniac]

this human-less situation was also completely random in Kairo! Suddenly all human inhabitants of the city just vanished and only five mutants emerged infront of green screens (or worse all humans got killed by Apocalypse without any explicit scenes of misery taking place or the X-Men trying to save civilians).

I think a scene where the four horsemen attack the Egyptian military, who try to save civilians would have been nice and the X-Men doing some heroics as a team saving people while fighting the horsemen (instead of these mediocre, bad choreographed X-Men vs. horsemen fights in debris...)

It is quite sad that X-Men Evolution did a better job doing the Apocalypse storyline than Singer's movie...

The 'human-less situation' is typical of the X-Men movies though. The climaxes almost always take place in a remote location (often on an island) and we seldom get a lot of big scenes with the wider world reacting to the events.

It's been this way since X1 back in 2000. Even in DoFP, the future climax was in a Chinese monastery. And in X2, we didn't really see the effect of what was happening in Cerebro when Xavier was forced to target the world's humans.

I'm wondering if it's because Singer prefers to work in those sorts of controlled and private environments (usually studio sets). Or if it's because the way the X-Men are envisaged in this franchise is as a largely secret group operating mostly off the radar, away from prejudice and prying eyes.

Whatever the reason, I don't think it's a a criticism that can be reserved only for X-Men: Apocalypse.

The other thing I would say is the film wasn't about the reaction of humans, you can't expect to keep cutting to some shot of a United Nations committee or a Whitehouse emergency meeting.

Nor could you expect to see mangled corpses lying under rubble. Comic book fantasy flicks don't tend to show graphic scenes of death and the dead. I think you're being melodramatic on this point and some of your other issues, even though i don't think the movie was perfect by any means.

 

[DavidHaller]

The 'human-less situation' is typical of the X-Men movies though. The climaxes almost always take place in a remote location (often on an island) and we seldom get a lot of big scenes with the wider world reacting to the events.

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Nor could you expect to see mangled corpses lying under rubble. Comic book fantasy flicks don't tend to show graphic scenes of death and the dead. I think you're being melodramatic on this point and some of your other issues, even though i don't think the movie was perfect by any means.

No, I don't think you can compare 'Days of Future Past' and 'X-Men Apocalypse' in this regard at all!


First of all 'Days of Future Past' very much shows civilians and human reaction en masse in scenes taking place in the past. In the future these reaction do not matter at all, because it portrays mutantkinds last stand. For what particular reason shall we see human reactions in a lost future where hate has won and every mutant is horribly killed?? The Sentinels are the ultimate representation of hate winning. There is no goodness in humankind left! Every death in these scenes is a reminder why it was necessary to change the past, while the scenes taking place in the 70s show new glimpses of hope in mutant and human relations. To quote Jennifer Lopez: "Those who hate us and fear us/Can not keep us down/Cause we hear in our heartbeat a beautiful sound/If they try to deny us or silence us now/We just say no, oh, yeah, we let 'em know/Love make the world go round/And love is love, is love, is love is love." :-p


In 'X-Men: Apocalypse' the tables are entirely turned. Apocalypse creates a massacre with million humans killed in cold blood (more than 10.000.000 people are living in Cairo today). Mutants are not the only direct victims here but also ordinary humans living a peaceful life. My question is, why does Bryan Singer (and you for that matter) not feel the need to show this horrible violent act with direct repercussions and as indeed extremely horrible? Is it maybe because we are actually dealing here with the life of mainly Egyptian muslims and a white North American director does not feel the need to show violence in this particular context as devastating?! (this movie becomes very ugly in the discussion how Western media are dealing with terrorism taking place in the 'West' and in the 'non-West' and what produces stronger outcries, empathetic identification and general media responses!) And why does not even Storm gets a moment of grief or hindsight after probably everyone she knew in her life is killed? Magneto and Storm are welcomed smiling with open arms into the X-mansion after they stand still and watched satisfied while all these humans are massacred in Egypt? Who is rebuilding Egypt? Does anybody really care? In a nutshell: WTF! What the **** did Bryan Singer think while he edited this dumb movie. And why did he gave the audience not any reason to understand what the hell just happened in the last 50 minutes or so of this movie?!

 

[BMM]

Lol. Jesus.

 

[X-Maniac]

No, I don't think you can compare 'Days of Future Past' and 'X-Men Apocalypse' in this regard at all!


First of all 'Days of Future Past' very much shows civilians and human reaction en masse in scenes taking place in the past. In the future these reaction do not matter at all, because it portrays mutantkinds last stand. For what particular reason shall we see human reactions in a lost future where hate has won and every mutant is horribly killed?? The Sentinels are the ultimate representation of hate winning. There is no goodness in humankind left! Every death in these scenes is a reminder why it was necessary to change the past, while the scenes taking place in the 70s show new glimpses of hope in mutant and human relations. To quote Jennifer Lopez: "Those who hate us and fear us/Can not keep us down/Cause we hear in our heartbeat a beautiful sound/If they try to deny us or silence us now/We just say no, oh, yeah, we let 'em know/Love make the world go round/And love is love, is love, is love is love." :-p


In 'X-Men: Apocalypse' the tables are entirely turned. Apocalypse creates a massacre with million humans killed in cold blood (more than 10.000.000 people are living in Cairo today). Mutants are not the only direct victims here but also ordinary humans living a peaceful life. My question is, why does Bryan Singer (and you for that matter) not feel the need to show this horrible violent act with direct repercussions and as indeed extremely horrible? Is it maybe because we are actually dealing here with the life of mainly Egyptian muslims and a white North American director does not feel the need to show violence in this particular context as devastating?! (this movie becomes very ugly in the discussion how Western media are dealing with terrorism taking place in the 'West' and in the 'non-West' and what produces stronger outcries, empathetic identification and general media responses!) And why does not even Storm gets a moment of grief or hindsight after probably everyone she knew in her life is killed? Magneto and Storm are welcomed smiling with open arms into the X-mansion after they stand still and watched satisfied while all these humans are massacred in Egypt? Who is rebuilding Egypt? Does anybody really care? In a nutshell: WTF! What the **** did Bryan Singer think while he edited this dumb movie. And why did he gave the audience not any reason to understand what the hell just happened in the last 50 minutes or so of this movie?!

LOL... Have you tried chamomile tea?

 

[Metamorpheus]

As far as Singer's X-Men movies and their final battles, X1 showed the world leaders in Ellis Island, X2's action scenes were isolated because they were inside a damn at Alkali Lake, and DOFP had the past scenes including people at the White House and the bunker. So other than X2 the other movies involved humans in the final act. I think FC was best in showing a realistic X-Men battle against other mutants with human lives at stake.

 

[henzINNIT]

X2 did show some humans struggling during the final act, feeling the effect of Cerebro (most notably the president and his men).

X-Men have always been pretty contained and secretive. It'd be fun to delve further into how they are viewed by, and interact with the outside world.

Apocalypse creates a massacre with million humans killed in cold blood (more than 10.000.000 people are living in Cairo today). Mutants are not the only direct victims here but also ordinary humans living a peaceful life. My question is, why does Bryan Singer (and you for that matter) not feel the need to show this horrible violent act with direct repercussions and as indeed extremely horrible? Is it maybe because we are actually dealing here with the life of mainly Egyptian muslims and a white North American director does not feel the need to show violence in this particular context as devastating?! (this movie becomes very ugly in the discussion how Western media are dealing with terrorism taking place in the 'West' and in the 'non-West' and what produces stronger outcries, empathetic identification and general media responses!) And why does not even Storm gets a moment of grief or hindsight after probably everyone she knew in her life is killed? Magneto and Storm are welcomed smiling with open arms into the X-mansion after they stand still and watched satisfied while all these humans are massacred in Egypt? Who is rebuilding Egypt? Does anybody really care? In a nutshell: WTF! What the **** did Bryan Singer think while he edited this dumb movie. And why did he gave the audience not any reason to understand what the hell just happened in the last 50 minutes or so of this movie?!

Heated but accurate. I can't believe Apocalypse and DOFP are from the same director.

That gif is aweome regardless. I miss these guys.

 

[psylockolussus]

Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are just iconic as Prof X and Magneto!

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

The movie is completely underwhelming. So much potential only to yield subpar results. This franchise needs to return to Marvel and get a proper reboot. Aside from X2 and X3, I have always been disappointed in the franchise under Fox.

P.S.

Yes, I enjoyed X3...wanna fight about it?

 

[DavidHaller]

The movie is completely underwhelming. So much potential only to yield subpar results. This franchise needs to return to Marvel and get a proper reboot. Aside from X2 and X3, I have always been disappointed in the franchise under Fox.

P.S.

Yes, I enjoyed X3...wanna fight about it?

no need to fight about it! But you have obviously a horrible taste in movies and no particular sensitivity when it comes to identity politics of minorities if X3 does not offend you vigorously to the core. #straightmaleopinions

 

[Kanon]

I wish they had added a scene of Apocalypse addressing the UN, like the one in the Blood of Apocalypse storyline (yeah, not the best comic to adapt, but that part was awesome compared to this movie)

 

[Flint Marko]

This and ASM 2 were the first superhero movies where I left thinking, "you know, I don't think I'm ever going to watch that again".

 

[Kanon]

This and ASM 2 were the first superhero movies where I left thinking, "you know, I don't think I'm ever going to watch that again".

Oh, you haven't watched Fant4stic yet

This was weak, but ASM 2 was on a different level, more in the family tree of Batman & Robin. This was close though, and I fear the franchise will get closer with the attempts to recreate the comic costumes

 

[Flint Marko]

Oh, you haven't watched Fant4stic yet

This was weak, but ASM 2 was on a different level, more in the family tree of Batman & Robin. This was close though, and I fear the franchise will get closer with the attempts to recreate the comic costumes

I actually watched FFINO twice; call me a masochist, but I actually find huge failures like that and GL to be morbidly fascinating.

ASM 2 and XM:A, on the other hand, were just so dull and lifeless, fueled entirely by corporate cynicism and contractual obligations, that it doesn't warrant any sort of revisiting IMO.

 

[magneto23]

This movie was underwhelming. No doubt about that. Speaking personaly, my sky high expectations made things worse. Probably worse than things actually were/are. But damn, saying it's not worth another viewing is too harsh IMO. There is definitely enough good in Apocalypse to warrant multiple viewings.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think the movie is perfect, but I've seen it three times and found more to enjoy each time.

First time was at a London premiere (in 3D) where the audience was fantastic, responding to the humour and the overall experience in a wonderful way. So much so that the RT reviews surprised me.

I took myself to see it a second time. The plan was to take a friend who hadn't seen it yet, and for both of us to have a first experience of a new IMAX cinema that has opened not far from me, but my friend couldn't make it. So I went on my own, and really enjoyed it (again in 3D but also in IMAX this time). The audience weren't as responsive as at the premiere though.

Third time was with my partner, who hadn't been to see it at that point. He's not a superhero geek or comic book reader, he can be harshly critical if he doesn't like something, we don't always agree and we have in the past had massive arguments over a movie, lol. This third viewing was just recently, while it was still playing at a local cinema (it's finished there now). That was in 2D. Again I found new things to observe, study and enjoy.

I do think it's hard to remember everything about a movie from the first showing (especially with the distractions in a cinema with people's phones, yakking, shuffling and fidgeting, chomping, unwrapping food with all the crackling noises, getting up for the toilet, coming in after the movie has started, etc).