Apocalypse Things you didn't like in X-Men: Apocalypse (Spoilers)

[Kahran Ramsus]

Effects guys had their hands filled with jungle book

It would explain a lot, because Apocalypse really looks unfinished.

 

[Stan Lee]

Yeah, some of the green screen and CGI when they face Apocalypse and his horsemen looks funky. But I thought it was decent for the majority of the film. There are things in the film I didn't know was CGI like the Cerebro room.

Yeah the effects are bad. The visual effects from X3 look better than Apocalypse, and that was 10 years ago.

Disagree about The Last Stand having better effects. Nothing in that movie tops the Quicksilver scene, the destruction of Cario, Angel wings and transformation, Auschwitz, Nuke scene, and the world destroying scenes(minus the crates).

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Apocalypse
- Voice was terrible
- Appearance was terrible
- His powers were not right and used incorrectly...I really could not of imagined them screwing up Apoc's power set that badly.
-Again, I must emphasize this again. Apocalypse has some of the coolest powers in the Marvel universe. It what makes him so memorable. The ability to grow, the ability to change his body into anything he wants, supersonic speed, unmatched physical strength...etc, to turn him into a sith lord without a light saber is just awful. Its why I hope and pray Marvel can take over this franchise some how and get it away from Fox. Once that happens, we will finally get the Xmen movie that will dominate everything.

Special Effects

It all just look so bad. Green screen was so cgi it looked like they were fighting in the matrix.

Fight Scenes

Just the worst stuff out there. Fox cannot handle more than two characters in a fight scene frame. They have to take turns. Every move gets its own 1-on-1 shot. Meanwhile marvel is one continuous camera that follows the action for the entire fight sequence where more than 10 different characters can be fighting at once in a continuous flow. I apologize if I am not explaining it right. If someone know what I am saying and can say it better please do.

Plot

Just a garbage, lazily thought out plot. Hate how the powers of apocalypse give Magneto the ability to ravage the entire planet. And then how magneto kills millions and its all good at the end. Its just not well thought out when it goes down like that. This whole franchise is like this with horrible loophole after loophole. Marvel can't take over fast enough.

Apocalypse

Again, this was just awful. He looked like he was wearing a costume. Didn't look like an advance mutant with supersonic speed. His moves looked like a regular human in a suit was making moves. Same with how I don't like Wolverine and the way he moves. Where as in Civil War, you can clearly see the super human movement of Black Panther, Bucky and Captain America. That is the single biggest problem with fox. They cannot bring the powers to the screen accurately or in an aesthetically pleasing way.

 

[Stan Lee]

Apocalypse growing in size was kinda a cartoon only thing. Nor did he ever have supersonic speed and his strength level has never been impressive. He's always been a mid-level villian with Mr. Fantastic powers.

And Apocalypse getting the horsemen to cause the destruction and them being forgiven is something pulled straight from the original storyline. You can't complain about the film not following the comics and then complain when they do.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Apocalypse growing in size was kinda a cartoon only thing.

What? Apocalypse has grown in size in the comics.

Nor did he ever have supersonic speed

No he has always had supersonic speed.

and his strength level has never been impressive. He's always been a mid-level villian with Mr. Fantastic powers.

He has overpowered both Thor and Hulk in the comics very easily. He also man handled stryfe. Mr. Fantastic is nowhere near as powerful as Apocalypse. Any Marvel rating you can find will tell you this.

And Apocalypse getting the horsemen to cause the destruction and them being forgiven is something pulled straight from the original storyline. You can't complain about the film not following the comics and then complain when they do.

In the original storyline they were being mentally controlled against there will. They made the choice to do wrong, which is a deviation from the original storyline and which makes the movie ridiculously poorly thought out. You can't cherry pick was is the same, ignore what is different, and then act like that very difference doesn't make the movie not make sense anymore.

 

[Stan Lee]

What? Apocalypse has grown in size in the comics.

Only once in his origin story. Never in the present except in X-Factor #68 where he was using a machine to increase his power. For some unexplained reason.

No he has always had supersonic speed.

He's had supersonic reflexes by reacting to Quicksilver(like the movie version). But there is never a moment where actually travels at that speed.

He has overpowered both Thor and Hulk in the comics very easily. He also man handled stryfe. Mr. Fantastic is nowhere near as powerful as Apocalypse. Any Marvel rating you can find will tell you this.

You need to read the context of those stories. It was a much younger Thor before he was worthy and that was a dying Hulk that was weakened after the events of the Onslaught Saga. So weak that Wolverine accidentally knocked him out with a slap on the back.

In the original storyline they were being mentally controlled against there will. They made the choice to do wrong, which is a deviation from the original storyline and which makes the movie ridiculously poorly thought out. You can't cherry pick was is the same, ignore what is different, and then act like that very difference doesn't make the movie not make sense anymore.

You're confusing the cartoon version with the comic version. In the comic all Apocalypse did was give them a drug that removed their reservations(inhibitions) similar to that drug in the recent Batman game. Otherwise, Warren and the horsemen followed Apocalypse because they wanted to (deep in the back of their minds).

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Pestilence' motive:

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War's motive:

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Famine's motive:

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Death's motive:

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If he could out right control people he wouldn’t have tried to convince X-Factor to join to him. He would have just brainwashed and got it over with.

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According to Apocalypse he needs his horsemen to be vulnerable.

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[En Sabah Nur]

Only once in his origin story. Never in the present except in X-Factor #68 where he was using a machine to increase his power. For some unexplained reason.



He's had supersonic reflexes by reacting to Quicksilver(like the movie version). But there is never a moment where actually travels at that speed.



You need to read the context of those stories. It was a much younger Thor before he was worthy and that was a dying Hulk that was weakened after the events of the Onslaught Saga. So weak that Wolverine accidentally knocked him out with a slap on the back.



You're confusing the cartoon version with the comic version. In the comic all Apocalypse did was give them a drug that removed their reservations(inhibitions) similar to that drug in the recent Batman game. Otherwise, Warren and the horsemen followed Apocalypse because they wanted to (deep in the back of their minds).

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Pestilence' motive:

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War's motive:

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Famine's motive:

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Death's motive:

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If he could out right control people he wouldn’t have tried to convince X-Factor to join to him. He would have just brainwashed and got it over with.

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According to Apocalypse he needs his horsemen to be vulnerable.

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Apocalypse Power straight from Marvel
http://marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse

"Apocalypse can also increase his strength to levels surpassing that of the Hulk, grow to giant sizes, and gain the power of flight, sometimes through turning his arms into wings or jets."

More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_(En_Sabah_Nur)#ixzz4Y9UdW4mX


Mr. Fantastic Powere straight from Marvelhttp://marvel.com/universe/Mister_Fantastic



Its just not close. And this is coming straight from Marvel so...

 

[Stan Lee]

What happens in the story>what a website says. Apocalypse has never once been shown to increase his strength, especially to that of beyond Hulk's level(who can destroy the planet). Apocalypse was beaten by a young unworthy Thor who Hulk has beaten.

And that page can be edited by members on the site. Similar to Wikipedia.

 

[Frankeh]

Apocalypse in the original story however was abnormaly tall yet in the movie he's shorter than Magneto. Everyone thought they were going to make him taller in post-production and it didn't happen. Singer put his actor above the character.

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And En Sabah Nur is right that we were denied his flashy power of shapeshifting that could've made him a proper opponent in combat for the X-Men instead of just standing around:

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And if you're going to tell me the powers in the movie are better, I'm going to tell you I don't agree. One of the sentinels in DOFP displayed something similar -- the one who turned his hand into Deathstrike's claws, and it looked cool. You can't cherrypick what has to be honored from comic Apocalypse.

If he had these powers in the movie and everyone had been impressed by it you would've given it credit for being straight out of comics.

 

[marvelrobbins]

What happens in the story>what a website says. Apocalypse has never once been shown to increase his strength, especially to that of beyond Hulk's level(who can destroy the planet). Apocalypse was beaten by a young unworthy Thor who Hulk has beaten.

And that page can be edited by members on the site. Similar to Wikipedia.

Inless it has changed since i stopped buying new comics in mid 2000's apocalypse had only grown once like you said in X-Factor #68

it helps when you actully collect X-Men comics and spin-offs and don't just go by the 1990's animated show

 

[Stan Lee]

Apocalypse in the original story however was abnormaly tall yet in the movie he's shorter than Magneto. Everyone thought they were going to make him taller in post-production and it didn't happen. Singer put his actor above the character.

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And En Sabah Nur is right that we were denied his flashy power of shapeshifting that could've made him a proper opponent in combat for the X-Men instead of just standing around:

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And if you're going to tell me the powers in the movie are better, I'm going to tell you I don't agree. One of the sentinels in DOFP displayed something similar -- the one who turned his hand into Deathstrike's claws, and it looked cool. You can't cherrypick what has to be honored from comic Apocalypse.

If he had these powers in the movie and everyone had been impressed by it you would've given it credit for being straight out of comics.

Wolverine is also not short like his comic counterpart.

That's why I said he was basically Mr. Fantastic. He actually was originally going to have shapeshifter powers. But apparently it was too much for the budget.

 

[X-Maniac]

Apocalypse looked taller in some scenes anyway in XM:A, like when he was holding Mystique by the neck. That height/size inconsistency stood out a bit to me.

Would have been cool to see the shapeshifting of his body (or is it just his armour?) to make wings, shields, weapons. He would have indeed seemed more formidable.

To pay for those sort of FX they would probably need to have removed the mansion destruction, Quicksilver rescue and Weapon X scenes. But we could instead have seen Quicksilver doing something else like rescuing people in Egypt or elsewhere.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I wonder, with a mostly different crew possibly doing the next film, would they be able to replicate a Quicksilver sequence? Would they even want to? The first one in DOFP was universally praised, while the second had its detractors.

I assume Second Unit Director Brian Smrz won't necessarily come back.

We know what happens when they try to replicate something from the previous movie with disastrous results. Exhibit A: Mystique's botched make-up job.

 

[2kt09]

We know what happens when they try to replicate something from the previous movie with disastrous results. Exhibit A: Mystique's botched make-up job.

Not one that I noticed, but all in all she progressively looked more like she was part of the Blue Man group rather than a scaly reptilian.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Not one that I noticed, but all in all she progressively looked more like she was part of the Blue Man group rather than a scaly reptilian.

Whats interesting is Comic Mystique was not scaly reptilian so if you wanted to translate Comic mystique then chances are she would look like apart of the blue man group.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I wonder, with a mostly different crew possibly doing the next film, would they be able to replicate a Quicksilver sequence? Would they even want to? The first one in DOFP was universally praised, while the second had its detractors.

In terms of the Apocalypse Quicksilver sequence it was still a praised success that marketing have highlighted in a dozen tv spots, even if there are some who were not as impressed by it as they were the first one but chances are those voices won't be the loudest.

But saying that do they try and do another one? there is a chance they could attempt too but there is also a chance they feel they won't be able to top it and will attempt something new and different since you can still have alot of fun with his powers either way.

 

[X-Maniac]

Whats interesting is Comic mystique was not scaly reptilian so if you wanted to translate Comic mystique then chances are she would look like apart of the blue man group.

The point being made is the make-up got worse - and more and more unconvincing...

 

[Stan Lee]

Probably because of Jlaw's reaction to it.

 

[EnDz0n3]

In terms of the Apocalypse quicksilver sequence it was still a praised success that marketing have highlighted in a dozen tv spots, even if there are some who were not as impressed by it as they were the first one but chances are those voices won't be the loudest.

But saying that do they try and do another one? there is a chance they could attempt too but there is also a chance they feel they won't be able to top it and will attempt something new and different since you can still have alot of fun with his powers either way.

So basically what I just said.

 

[2kt09]

Whats interesting is Comic mystique was not scaly reptilian so if you wanted to translate Comic mystique then chances are she would look like apart of the blue man group.

I much prefer the scaly reptilian.

 

[henzINNIT]

Probably because of Jlaw's reaction to it.

Didn't they dramatically reduce the make-up time for Lawrence from DOFP onward? Added the body suit too.

I prefer the design and colour of DOFP, but it is a noticable step-down in quality from First Class and the films preceding it. Seemed to get worse again for Apocalypse.

 

[Stan Lee]

Didn't they dramatically reduce the make-up time for Lawrence from DOFP onward? Added the body suit too.

I prefer the design and colour of DOFP, but it is a noticable step-down in quality from First Class and the films preceding it. Seemed to get worse again for Apocalypse.

They probably used a different material as well. She looks a bit darker in this film.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Using Apocalypse at all
Mystique still being a star in the films just because she's played by Jennifer Lawrence.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Using Apocalypse at all
Mystique still being a star in the films just because she's played by Jennifer Lawrence.

She was the star even before she become de Jennifer Lawrence per say.

The moment Mystique was placed in charles backstory it pretty much set the stage that whoever played mystique was gonna get a big role.

 

[FlareKnight]

She was the star even before she become de Jennifer Lawrence per say.

The moment Mystique was placed in charles backstory it pretty much set the stage that whoever played mystique was gonna get a big role.

A bigger role than you'd expect for Mystique? No doubt. Basically making her the main character in the past 2 X-Men movies and the leader of the X-Men? No, I don't think so.

There is no doubt Mystique's role was ballooned beyond belief because Jennifer Lawrence got the role.

And that kind of ties into one of my issues with this movie. It is making the same choice that the previous films did. You find an actor that either is super popular or becomes popular through that character and have them overshadow everyone else. Wolverine isn't the leader of the X-Men, Mystique is not the leader of the X-Men. When are these movies going to give Cyclops a break and run with him?

I really hope Jennifer Lawrence really is sick of the make-up and everything and doesn't come back.