Things you don't want to see happen in the next Superman movies

[BestGirl]

First of all, i dont think that Tony is cracking jokes as much as he does in the movie. He is a magnificent bastard, but he is a lot more serious than he is in the movie. So that was mostly down to Downey projecting a bit of himself there.

It doesn't matter what he's like in the comics as far as the GA is concerned. They were given wise-cracking movie Tony and they liked him.

And besides, how many movies with Downey cracking jokes can you watch before you get bored?

As long as RDJ's starring, probably an infinite number. t:

There needs to be character development, there need to be good villains.

IM can probably get away with weaker villains for a while, as long as Downey is playing Tony. That's the best part about having a charismatic, humorous hero. Like I said, IM had a pretty weak villain, but the audience ate it up.

Anyway, just because Clark isnt cracking jokes all the time, it doesnt mean that he isnt compeling as a character. Far from it. Personally, even though his villains are god tier, what really fascinates me and draws me to the franchise is Clark himself.
And like i said before, Clark is the definition of the white knight, both as Clark and as Superman. I've written above how the mere presence of him would make a robber feel ashamed of committing a crime, how he boosts the morale and hopes of people worldwide. If he dies, the impact around the world would be 1000 times the impact Princess Diana's death had and that's not because he can lift cars and fly. And all that says something.

Clark is a good guy, but the problem with earnest boy scout characters is that they can easily become dull. The trick for the next director will be blending action in the form of a great villain, humor from Clark's relationship with Lois, and Superman's inherent nobility, so the GA can come to understand why the entire world loves him so much.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I wasn't fond of zod from the movies either but after I read "last son" my opinion changed. I like darkseid too its just he doesn't seem like a superman villain, more of a justice league type threat and I really dont think his character could be done justice without seriously changing some things within the context of the movie to fit within a decent running time.

What do you think needs changing?

But i agree with you that Darkseid is more of a JL threat since he has a whole planet and a huge army at his command. The STAS episode with his first attack on earth was pretty good though.
To be honest i think i find Darkseid more interesting than Brainiac and i'd really like to see him once they do Lex and Brainiac. Its that with Darkseid, you also get the whole fifth dimension. Granny Goodness, Steppenwolf, Kalibak, Desaad, Orion, Godfather, Apocolips, New Genesis, etc. On the one hand you have this high tech paradise, N. Genesis, and on the other you get Apocolips, a steampunk planet full of S&M and fire. Its the definition of awesome!

In fact i think they could and should do a New Gods movie to introduce them to us. Later they can use them in any JL or Superman movie. The thing is that since the average Joe doesnt know the New Gods, they would carry the stigma of the comic book franchise without having a well known star like Batman or Superman to draw the audience. Space Strumfs, space monks with laser swords, or a spaceship shaped like a dish are all fine, but try to introduce a new comic book movie franchise and you wont get as much success, simply because "its from a comic book no one knows about. They re scrapping the bottom of the barrel".

So she is the best figher in DCU?

I dont know about that. Supposedly Lady Shiva is or something like that. I never really cared for Shiva so i dont know.

The trick for the next director will be blending action in the form of a great villain, humor from Clark's relationship with Lois, and Superman's inherent nobility, so the GA can come to understand why the entire world loves him so much.

I agree with this.
Also, Superman is probably the most loved superhero of them all, with hundreds of great stories and tons of character development in the comics. It wouldnt be hard to get some inspiration and guidance from those stories and produce a successful franchise.

 

[solidsnake86]

I think what you described is basically the problem with doing the darkseid from the comics. Look at how many things need to be addressed, between the two plants, the gods and all the minions your right, they almost need there own movie. I think for a superman movie you would really take the spotlight away from him in order too explain all that stuff.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Okay so no Dariskeid....He is Superman's best super villian though....Other then Lex Luthor.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think what you described is basically the problem with doing the darkseid from the comics. Look at how many things need to be addressed, between the two plants, the gods and all the minions your right, they almost need there own movie. I think for a superman movie you would really take the spotlight away from him in order too explain all that stuff.

I wrote a large post the other day, about how i'd like this franchise to go now that its heading for a reboot. So among other things, i proposed that during the second movie (in which Lex and his thugs like Metallo and Parasite would be the main villains), we could see spies of Darkseid collecting info about earth and its defenses. That way we could be introduced to some of the characters and get some of the background info about the New Gods. In the third movie we could see Darkseid invade. So basically, the second movie would prepare us a little bit on whats coming in the third.
And anyway, if an Apocolips invasion could fit in two STAS episodes, why cant it fit in one Superman movie?

 

[Young Superman]

Jor-El as an old man, he should be in his late 30s early 40s at the oldest.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Jor-El as an old man, he should be in his late 30s early 40s at the oldest.

I agree with that. Just dont make him too young. He is supposed to be wise, and you cant have a 25 year old man acting wise as a hologram in the fortress. He also needs to be of a certain age, because he supposedly was an acclaimed member of the science committee (or something like that) and he was responsible for incarcerating Zod. So he cant be less than 40.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally i want to see a younger jorel myself too.

 

[Young Superman]

daniel day lewis for jor-el and cate blanchett for lara.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Things you don't want to see happen in the next Superman movies

1) Realism limiting the potential and beauty of the franchise.
2) Another tribute to Donner
3) Clark being the bumbling fool that nobody cares about. I'd rather he is like Clark in STAS or "Lois and Clark".

 

[SuperMike335!!]

I agree with that. Just dont make him too young. He is supposed to be wise, and you cant have a 25 year old man acting wise as a hologram in the fortress. He also needs to be of a certain age, because he supposedly was an acclaimed member of the science committee (or something like that) and he was responsible for incarcerating Zod. So he cant be less than 40.

Sure he can look under 40.

There are people who just naturally have talent who are in positions like that at 30.

I have a friend I went to high school with, who is like that.

Just naturally smart, and a good student. He already has his PHD, and is a quantum-physicists or something like that, and he is working on a project in Sweden smashing the particles of atoms. He is only 28 years old too.

Many people can be very well accomplished before the age of 40. I think 30 as a lower limit is better. I would not want to see him look younger than that either. Anywhere from 30-40.

I think Jor-El should look at least 30. Anywhere from 30 to 40. Over 40 I have never thought was good, because he is after all just became a father too, with an infant or toddler.

I STAS he seemed about 35-40, and that worked well. Lara seemed several years younger.

The idea of an already accomplished, but relatively young family, with their entire future ahead of them, cut short.

The way Jor-El and Lara looked in the Donner films I feel was too old. Both should have looked 10 years younger.

 

[Fresh Prince]

1) Realism limiting the potential and beauty of the franchise.
2) Another tribute to Donner
3) Clark being the bumbling fool that nobody cares about. I'd rather he is like Clark in STAS or "Lois and Clark".

Hell I take SV Clark over Donner's Clark....But all you said I do not want....Also do not want *****y Lois Lane(Bosworth Lois).

 

[Mr. Earle]

Oh yeah, i hated Bosworth Lois.
What's "SV" though?

 

[Webhead2006]

sv=smallville(shorthand name)

And supermike i agree about your points on a 30-40yr old jorel thing that is how i would like to see him too.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Oh yeah, i hated Bosworth Lois.
What's "SV" though?

Smallville.

 

[wattabrownsound]

what about seeing a metropolis that goes from liking superman to disliking him? if not, should there be any superman haters in metropolis other than his villains? they can be people at The Daily Planet where clark would hear their hurtful comments everyday, or people on the news or even regular people who don't an alien to save them but the everyday men in uniform.

 

[Webhead2006]

well it would be a bit realistic to think everyone loves the guy. There could be some average joes or some nutjobs that dont like superman.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Maybe there is a Metropolis tabloid that hates Superman. Its editor, Jonah Jackson thinks Superman is a menace and he has his reporters write negative articles about him. Everyday he orders his photographer Peter Carter to bring him pictures... Pictures of Superman!

I'd love to see that. Some fun, sarcasm, deconstruction or an easter egg would be great!

 

[El Payaso]

Maybe there is a Metropolis tabloid that hates Superman. Its editor, Jonah Jackson thinks Superman is a menace and he has his reporters write negative articles about him. Everyday he orders his photographer Peter Carter to bring him pictures... Pictures of Superman!

I'd love to see that. Some fun, sarcasm, deconstruction or an easter egg would be great!

As a joke is great, but that's one of the things I'd hate to see in a future whatever-the-superhero-is movie; stupid winks for fanboys.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Maybe this one is too over the top, not to mention that it involves a franchise of Marvel's, but a few discreet winks to the fans wouldnt be so bad. Nobody else would notice, so what's the problem?

 

[Webhead2006]

yea it would be a funny thing, but then it could be stupid too. I do like the idea though that not everyone likes superman. You would think that would happen sure like 98% of the city loves the guy and he is a great person. But then there could be people who fear him, or think he is going attack the world or something.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The 90% of the world worships Superman. Only villains and maybe conspiracy theorists are skeptical about him. Just saying how his status is in the comics...

 

[Webhead2006]

oh i didnt know that.

 

[BestGirl]

The 90% of the world worships Superman. Only villains and maybe conspiracy theorists are skeptical about him. Just saying how his status is in the comics...

When he first arrives in Metropolis he would definitely scare people who couldn't figure out what he was and what he wanted. The longer he sticks around the more Metropolitans love him, of course.

 

[El Payaso]

yea it would be a funny thing, but then it could be stupid too. I do like the idea though that not everyone likes superman. You would think that would happen sure like 98% of the city loves the guy and he is a great person. But then there could be people who fear him, or think he is going attack the world or something.

Absolutely. There would be conspiracy theories about him. The man can be watching me in the privacy of my home and I wouldn't know and if he felt like it he could defy the Army and no one could stop him. There would be some paranoia going on.