The Amazing Spider-Man This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume?

[sauronthegreat]

What the hell are you talking about? Spider-Man has nothing to do with what Paramount does with its Avengers cast of characters. Different universe and it'll stay that way until Disney gets Spidey's film rights back.

Maybe the're going to make some agreement with Marvel about this one.. to be the Spidey as Marvel intended it to be. Because I don't see a new reboot any time soon after this one. Maybe Marvel/Diesney will make some agreement with Sony for this one to be the groundwork for a potential Spider-Man franchise that will develop gradually with years.

 

[Nimibro]

suit, and an explanation:

i think we are all sure he WON'T be in the 1st film, but he can fit in the third one. maybe doc ock would be in the second one an oscorp scientist who knew about some mob ties osborn had and was going to tell about them to the police, mso osborn sabotaged his experiment. the radioation from the incident affects osborn's mind and he starts seeing goblins, telling him what to do. by the end of the film, he's already talking to himself in public and sees a twisted, goblin-like version of himself. he finally embraces the "goblin", and desins a batman-like costume, only more twisted and goblin-like.

 

[FVD]

I probably should have read the options more closely as I picked Physical Transformation but after reading some of the comments I'm definitely leaning toward the classic Purple and Green costume. And I agree wholeheartedly to NO Hulk-Goblin. The Armour Suit sucked royally in the Raimiverse.

I do think it would be a better idea to reveal Gobby for a 3rd Movie. The first movie I'd prefer somebody like Lizard or Electro to kick off the reboot. Doc Ock can be used for Movie 2 despite it being a rehash of SM2. Yeah I've explained it all before.

 

[Young Superman]

Old Gobby should look like this.

 

[Anwar]

But that costume would look ridiculous in Live-Action. There are things that just HAVE to be changed.

I say keep a mask/helmet similar to what Dafoe wore but give him a costume that just is covered in a shredded purple cloak so we don't see much of what's under there.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Heres my idea. The serum DOES transform Norman,into a Goblin like creature. But instead of him being a huge Hulk thing,he remains human size. He retains his intellect,but loses his sanity. He wears ripped lilac sheets,a bit like the Alex Ross interpretation.

Basically,a mutated Norman Osborn,looking like a nightmarish version of his classic Goblin self.

 

[Young Superman]

Good idea Rodrigo90, I like it.

 

[Ajendo]

This is how Gobby should look.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Thanks Young Superman.

So his classic look would actually be his skin,instead of a costume,though he wears purple garbs. Normal human size,except a few features on his body grow,like his teeth and ears. His eyes a murky yellow,and his voice becoming loose and psychotic. The serum should be treated like an addictive drug by Norman,he fashions the gas into liquid substance and cant control his need for it. Later using it cause he likes the power and freedom it grants him and his desire to destroy Spider-Man.

 

[Young Superman]

I like it.

 

[Anwar]

Yeah, that's cool.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Thats the look I like

 

[Young Superman]

Thats the look I like

I like it, but would he still have his glider or would he fly of his own accord?

P.S What's up with the sword?

 

[El Payaso]

Heres my idea. The serum DOES transform Norman,into a Goblin like creature. But instead of him being a huge Hulk thing,he remains human size. He retains his intellect,but loses his sanity. He wears ripped lilac sheets,a bit like the Alex Ross interpretation.

Basically,a mutated Norman Osborn,looking like a nightmarish version of his classic Goblin self.

Excellent.

 

[chaseter]

If he transforms back and forth, then I don't think it will work. Transforming into a goblin and then back to a human is cliche, tired, and lame. Norman being that same man underneath the mask is more scary that him transforming into a goblin. Also, would they explain the experiment gone awry that transforms a man into an evil green skinned halloween creature? Did he get some goblin DNA? If he doesn't, then you lose the duality that is Norman and Green Goblin and that would be terrible. The only thing that will work imo is if you make it a costume...a really ****ing scary costume.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I dont fancy seeing something like that chaseter,sorry you dont like my idea.

I mixed in both the Classic interpretation and Ultimate interpretation. I do agree his duality is important. A different interpretation of Norman's duality would lie in his struggle of who he wants to be,the human or the creature he has become,what will he fully embrace?

The experiment would have to be a human enhancer,not a performance enhancer like before. It sharpens his senses,causing his features to grow,as well as muscle mass. Side effects obviously cause sickly green skin colour, and insanity. Look at what Oz did to him in Ultimate Spider-Man,explain that? Ive explained it enhances everything about him,size,senses,speed,agility,strength and intellect. That hideous Goblin like appearance is a side-effect of the drug,but he feels its the face of power.

In all honesty,it wouldn't make that much of a difference between costume or transformation.

 

[chaseter]

IMO, I love Norman when he knows fully well what he is and he uses his Norman persona as a snake in the grass. I don't like the Jekyl/Hyde mentality.

Oz in the Ultimate universe is terrible and I can't explain it and neither can they...what they did to Norman/Green Goblin in that universe is awful.

Another reason I think they will stay away from transformations is the cost of CGI. This budget isn't very big and that would eat a lot of money or look like crap if they don't use enough.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I completely agree. I know the idea isnt a costume,but it would most certainly be Green Goblin with all his facilities. The costume I guess you could say is simply within the drug itself. His mind wouldn't be a separate entity,Norman would know full well what he is doing as the Goblin. A reason behind the costume,he wears gloves because they can emit blinding flashes,the boots fit into the Glider. I would like to see him stay as the Goblin for a good duration of the movie.

The drug is meant to enhance a human's strength intellect and senses,etc,but the side-effect is physical mutation.

I think either way a costume or transformation would require good makeup,not much of a sweat. CGI wouldn't necessarily have to be an issue.

I want Goblin to have a face like this,but no mask can do that. It looks more like a mutation,thats what gave me the idea.

 

[Mistah K88]

^I thought that it was established (in this very thread) that a silicone mask could look like that. No mutation/transformation required. Yes, I'm sure that this would take hours to put on. But they can play it as just a simple mask like they did with Mrs. Doubtfire (which costume took hours to put on, but also just seemed to be a mask that could slip on and off in the movie. Not even Spidey's costume in the movies is as simple as it seems in real life.

One of the best points of having a mask is the ability to be unmasked...unintentionally (by someone else rather than yourself).

 

[SpeterMan3]

Yep.

 

[Michael Frost]

TBH the whole problem with the epic moment that was the unmasking of the Goblin, was that it was already done in the movies. People already know that Norman is the Goblin.

While I still think he should have a silicone mask for accuracy sake, it's not really going to be a surprise anymore. So, unfortunatly, that kinda mutes the "masks can be taken off" point out...

I still think the new Spidey saga needs to ignore what happened before and try to be it's own and only medium. Looking too much at what was already done and go in the opposite direction just to "be different" is something that's more harmful than beneficial.

 

[Rodrigo90]

But you have to come up with a really good reason why a 40+ would intentionally dress up like THAT. Nobody can find a suitable reason how he acquires this. I dont think Oscorp would be working on a costume like this,and I really cant see Norman going into a costume shop and asking for one. Some things work in the movies and some things dont.

I honestly dont see the problem of him mutating into his classic look. Unmasking him isnt important and its already been done.

The theme in Spider-Man is more so "The Man Behind The Creature" not the mask.

 

[Michael Frost]

But you have to come up with a really good reason why a 40+ would intentionally dress up like THAT.

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because he ****ing went bonkers under the serum?

The villain is already stablished as a mad psychotic guy who likes masks. Is it really that much of a stretch that he develops a persona by wearing a mask?

It's not like they actually explain where the hell did the hightech Goblin mask he had on the Raimi films came from, either.

EDIT: I just made this out of a custom silicon mask (just recolored it):

 

[Rodrigo90]

Thats right, I forgot he had a love of masks...hmm.

But still, I really want to see something unexpected. If he is in a mask,he should just be in costume for most of the movie. But I feel if its using Ultimate as influence, he will probably mutate. I just want him to mutate into classic look, if so.

 

[Michael Frost]

While I find the whole purse and purple garment taking it a little too far, if we had a silicon mask + some purpleish ragged robes it would actually look good.