Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 5

[BoredGuy]

Look at GOTG for a drawing of what me and other people have been trying to explain and this movie is actually going for a similar vibe because people loved it.

But that's what you're not fully grasping.... not everyone wants a story about the Asgardian Ragnarok to have Guardians of the Galaxy's tone. It's just not what some people picture.

First of all you have to accept that Hulk is indeed in Thor Ragnarok. Second of all you have to realize and make yourself understand that this is not a direct interpretation of the "Ragnarok" storyline or the "Planet Hulk" one. It's a mix of both. Like it or not it's what it is and you may well accept it sooner than later.

and third, you have to stop telling people what to do.
I mean, you're right here in what you were saying, but try not to come off so damn pushy about it.
For the one saying "everyone needs to chill the f*** out about the f***ing humor!!" I think it's you that needs to relax and take a deep breath.

People are allowed to have trepidation about certain aspects of the film, just as you're allowed to be 100% on-board
Like Krystal said above, a lot of people had a bad taste in their mouth after TDW, and think the focus in building hype should be on the less controversial aspects of the films
nobody's saying, "That's it, this movie will be s**t, pack it up Marvel. Game over man, Game over!"

That last Hiddleston clip is good, and that's just what some, myself included, want to hear them focus on... the threat of Hela and the unbelievably high stakes. Its fine, its awesome even that they're having fun, and we all know Marvel films are fun and not "dark or depressing", nobody wants that... we just want to hear that they're taking it seriously too.

 

[jaqua99]

I would say that some of the humor in the first Thor was salvageable. Some of it was quite good. But in the TDW i have to agree with you. Darcy, her sidekick, crazy Selvig... it was a damn mess. Dumb humor all over the place. And way too much time spent on them that could have been better used somewhere else.


First of all you have to accept that Hulk is indeed in Thor Ragnarok. Second of all you have to realize and make yourself understand that this is not a direct interpretation of the "Ragnarok" storyline or the "Planet Hulk" one. It's a mix of both. Like it or not it's what it is and you may well accept it sooner than later.

After accepting those things then you can start to figure out what is gonna happen accordingly to what we know and how much time is gonna be spent with the character. I'd say Hulk will probably be the third/fourth character in the movie with most screen time. 1. Thor / 2. Loki / 3. Hela / 4. Hulk...

"Contest of Champions/Plantel Hulk/Gladiator" Those are 3 things are just inspiration for what the Hulk part of the movie is gonna be. It's all being crammed into one through line. I assume that around 40% of the movie will be dedicated to that in order to properly add weight and content to the stakes. Flushing out why Hulk ended up there, what was/is he doing, the Grandmaster part in all of this, the fights in the arena and epic showdown between Thor and Hulk. And by the way most of this time we are gonna see what's happening through Thor's perspective. So he will be there and interact with all of this.

All that being said, the synopsis used the phrase "race against time", "destruction of Asgard"... Working title was "creature feature", and Hela, Surtur and Fenris are all in it. Sounds like Ragnarok to me.

Also, I think 40% dedicated to the Planet Hulk stuff is a bit generous. I'd say 25%-33%. Basically, most of the first sct

 

[MbJ]

Hiddleston talks a bit about Loki and Hela.

On the recent press tour for Legendary's Kong: Skull Island, IGN sat down with Hiddleston and asked him about Loki's first thoughts on the new Sorcerer Supreme and judging by his response, it sure sounds like he'll be less than impressed: “I think he probably dismisses Strange. Yes, his sorcery is very impressive, but Loki’s been doing that for centuries so who cares." However, while he may be dismissive of Doctor Strange, it sounds like he'll share a very different dynamic with Cate Blanchett's Hela: "Hela is a different beast and full of surprises and actually might have been someone with whom at one time he could’ve gotten along, but the circumstances have changed.”

 

[Loki882]

All that being said, the synopsis used the phrase "race against time", "destruction of Asgard"... Working title was "creature feature", and Hela, Surtur and Fenris are all in it. Sounds like Ragnarok to me.

Also, I think 40% dedicated to the Planet Hulk stuff is a bit generous. I'd say 25%-33%. Basically, most of the first sct

They hyped up TDW a lot to, and that ended up being very underwhelming. So I'm not trusting their hype machine this time. I'll believe it when I see it.

As for the tone, Ragnarok is basically the Norse Apocalypse, and it has the goddess of death as the main villain, that shouldn't be a film with tons of humor. In terms of tone, it should be closer to TWS/CW than GOTG, imo.

 

[InCali]

If you want Strange to appear again in Infinity War he better not cross paths with Hela. He is not on her level t:

That was my first reaction also, BUT, Strange often fought against incredibly powerful beings and came out on top due to his intelligence and resourcefulness. I could see him surviving an encounter with Hela, but she certainly wouldn't be someone you'd want to cross on a regular basis.

 

[The Endless]

Old school Strange was basically a deus ex machina. He's defeated much more powerful foes than Hela.

 

[InCali]

I was not expecting to "reassure" anyone with what i posted. It was simply of interest for the movie and by that alone got to these thread. One cannot simply please everyone. Sometimes it's worth giving a shot and trying to make a point across to certain individuals, other times not so much... Different tastes or point of views.

For myself i choose to look at these coments from Tom Hiddleston in this perspective...
There was a big chemistry/complicity and friendship between Taika Waititi and Chris Hemsworth which in turn "brough the best in each other". For myself that's great... Director and main character of the movie going along perfectly and having great chemistry with each other. If that's not a promising thing about the movie then i don't know what is.

About the humor remarks when he says this will be "the funniest depiction of the character of Thor that you ever seen". That doesn't bother me one bit. The funniest depiction of the character Thor we have ever seen was arguably in the first Thor movie. I can still remember a few great funny moments from Thor that we're in fact memorable and there was nothing wrong with that. In TDW the humor was all over the place and not so much about Thor himself but more about other people wich just made for a damn waste of screen time if you ask me.

Thor Ragnarok having the funniest depiction of the character of thor doesn't worry me at all. Funnier than the character in the first Thor? Sure. Why not.

This drink. I like it. Another!!

 

[InCali]

Old school Strange was basically a deus ex machina. He's defeated much more powerful foes than Hela.

She's pretty powerful. From the DS comics I've read, Dormammu was the most powerful villain DS defeated and I would say she's probably in the same ballpark. I mostly read the earlier DS comics though.

 

[MbJ]

As for the tone, Ragnarok is basically the Norse Apocalypse, and it has the goddess of death as the main villain, that shouldn't be a film with tons of humor.

Plenty of 80's action films had pretty serious, violent plots while still having humor. Humor is not the problem. Bad, invasive humor that kills scenes that should be serious, are.

 

[scarlet-witch]

They hyped up TDW a lot to, and that ended up being very underwhelming. So I'm not trusting their hype machine this time. I'll believe it when I see it.

I liked The Dark World more than Thor 1

 

[Finarfiniel]

You know, all those scared that Ragnarok won't be dark and depressing. . . did you ever read the original Ragnarok arc from the Simonson run? It was many things, but "grim" wasn't really one of them. It was a lot more. . . heavy metal guitar riffs. Sure, some characters did die during it, but the tone was not "Lo is the tragedy" it was more "Death is nothing! Heroism lives forever!"

Precisely. We already know this movie is heavily influenced by Walt Simonson's run which is trippy, weird, humorous and colourful, as well as epic in scale. That's exactly what I want out of a Thor movie so I'm stoked.

However, while he may be dismissive of Doctor Strange, it sounds like he'll share a very different dynamic with Cate Blanchett's Hela: "Hela is a different beast and full of surprises and actually might have been someone with whom at one time he could’ve gotten along, but the circumstances have changed.”

I'm dying to find out if Loki and Hela have any kind of familial relationship in the MCU, I definitely don't think they'll be father and daughter (as much fun as it would be to see people's heads exploding trying to figure that out ) but I hope they keep some kind of connection between them, they had a really fun dynamic in the silver age comics.

She's pretty powerful. From the DS comics I've read, Dormammu was the most powerful villain DS defeated and I would say she's probably in the same ballpark. I mostly read the earlier DS comics though.

Comics Hela is very powerful (much more so than Thor and Loki), she can bend space and time, teleport, time travel, create illusions, kill with just a look, e.t.c, but she's not on the same tier as Dormammu unless she's in her own realm. In Hel she's virtually unbeatable as she has total mental control over everything and every soul there. Doctor Strange, Clea and Scarlet Witch once got trapped in Hel by accident and knew better than to even attempt to fight her there, so the Doc used flattery to convice her to let them go. She has a soft spot for Strange, she wants to own his soul after death. t:

Plenty of 80's action films had pretty serious, violent plots while still having humor. Humor is not the problem. Bad, invasive humor that kills scenes that should be serious, are.

This.

 

[jaqua99]

They hyped up TDW a lot to, and that ended up being very underwhelming. So I'm not trusting their hype machine this time. I'll believe it when I see it.

As for the tone, Ragnarok is basically the Norse Apocalypse, and it has the goddess of death as the main villain, that shouldn't be a film with tons of humor. In terms of tone, it should be closer to TWS/CW than GOTG, imo.

I do agree for the most part.

 

[Bren]

I was (a bit) disappointed by TDW but they sure got me whelmed for it.
Dang, I don't learn my lesson, I'm roaringly excited about Ragnarok too!

Just watched the 2nd mockumentary, absolutely brilliant. I hope Darryl gets to appear in the film. Very very (very)) briefly, very very silently, but in it.

 

[kguillou]

Plenty of 80's action films had pretty serious, violent plots while still having humor. Humor is not the problem. Bad, invasive humor that kills scenes that should be serious, are.

That sums it up, man. You know, I wonder how much of the humor in TDW was Alan Taylor and how much of it was Feige and the studio stepping in and shoving it in. Part of me feels there's no way Taylor was happy with that product.

 

[JtheDreamer]

That sums it up, man. You know, I wonder how much of the humor in TDW was Alan Taylor and how much of it was Feige and the studio stepping in and shoving it in. Part of me feels there's no way Taylor was happy with that product.

Seriously.

So much forced slapstick - particularly in the 3rd act. They even brought Whedon in for some of it. They also totally lied about the cosmic journey that was supposed to happen in there, just turned out to be Thor and Malekith warping around some of the realms while they fought.

 

[Vartha]

EASY HD, you know I dislike opponent vs opponent games and story-lines. They're just too repetitive.
I can see Hulk taking up BRB and Hercules' places in the film where they were in the comic lines from the various Ragnarok stories easy. (I think there were 3 stories, might be one more)

I would say that some of the humor in the first Thor was salvageable. Some of it was quite good. But in the TDW i have to agree with you. Darcy, her sidekick, crazy Selvig... it was a damn mess. Dumb humor all over the place. And way too much time spent on them that could have been better used somewhere else.


First of all you have to accept that Hulk is indeed in Thor Ragnarok. Second of all you have to realize and make yourself understand that this is not a direct interpretation of the "Ragnarok" storyline or the "Planet Hulk" one. It's a mix of both. Like it or not it's what it is and you may well accept it sooner than later.

After accepting those things then you can start to figure out what is gonna happen accordingly to what we know and how much time is gonna be spent with the character. I'd say Hulk will probably be the third/fourth character in the movie with most screen time. 1. Thor / 2. Loki / 3. Hela / 4. Hulk...

"Contest of Champions/Plantel Hulk/Gladiator" Those are 3 things are just inspiration for what the Hulk part of the movie is gonna be. It's all being crammed into one through line. I assume that around 40% of the movie will be dedicated to that in order to properly add weight and content to the stakes. Flushing out why Hulk ended up there, what was/is he doing, the Grandmaster part in all of this, the fights in the arena and epic showdown between Thor and Hulk. And by the way most of this time we are gonna see what's happening through Thor's perspective. So he will be there and interact with all of this.

 

[Mjölnir]

That sums it up, man. You know, I wonder how much of the humor in TDW was Alan Taylor and how much of it was Feige and the studio stepping in and shoving it in. Part of me feels there's no way Taylor was happy with that product.

Taylor, who was pretty vocal about not being able to do exactly what he wanted, said that the ability to make silly things with in the universe was one of his favorite things.

His complaints were really more directed to how the story was done, and that he had to have James Gunn's mid credits scene attached to it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Alan Taylor should've complained about the wrong directions being given to Thor to get to Greenwich.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Taylor, who was pretty vocal about not being able to do exactly what he wanted, said that the ability to make silly things with in the universe was one of his favorite things.

His complaints were really more directed to how the story was done, and that he had to have James Gunn's mid credits scene attached to it.

I don't get why they aren't allowed to do what they want, yeah it's a shared universe but apart from Edgar Wright they are brought in knowing that, that shouldn't come as surprise to them that they have to fit in certain things. But then if they don't think something fits then it shouldn't be forced because it usually doesn't work. Mid/post credit scenes aside, these are separate from the film seems fair game.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't get why they aren't allowed to do what they want, yeah it's a shared universe but apart from Edgar Wright they are brought in knowing that, that shouldn't come as surprise to them that they have to fit in certain things. But then if they don't think something fits then it shouldn't be forced because it usually doesn't work. Mid/post credit scenes aside, these are separate from the film seems fair game.

Well Edgar Wright is an exception, because he was brought in as director/ script writer in the 1970s when big budget comic book movies didn't even really exist, let alone shared universes. This was before Superman, at the time of the Streets of San Francisco when Michael Douglas was still young.

 

[Moridin]

Seriously.

So much forced slapstick - particularly in the 3rd act. They even brought Whedon in for some of it. They also totally lied about the cosmic journey that was supposed to happen in there, just turned out to be Thor and Malekith warping around some of the realms while they fought.

Incorrect. From Taylor:

The thing [Whedon] was brought in to help with was not a comedy scene, it was an emotional scene between Thor and Jane. I think he also did a pass with one of my favorite scenes, Thor and Loki talking in the Asgardian skiff at night when the brothers actually have time together to talk. That was one of my favorite scenes and I think he had a pass on that.

http://www.slashfilm.com/what-loki-...-dark-world-and-what-did-joss-whedon-rewrite/

 

[Loki882]

That sums it up, man. You know, I wonder how much of the humor in TDW was Alan Taylor and how much of it was Feige and the studio stepping in and shoving it in. Part of me feels there's no way Taylor was happy with that product.

I think that it's more Feige and Marvel. Because I had these same issues with some of their other films. IM2, IM3 come to mind immediately.

And I really started to notice it with Dr. Strange. There were quite a few moments where I went "ok that joke was forced" or "ok that wasn't all that funny" in that movie. Also, while I did really enjoy Benedict Cumberbatch's performance, I feel like they were trying to turn Stephen Strange into Tony Stark-lite in places. I haven't read a ton of Dr. Strange comics TBF. But from what I have read, he's not a quippy character who makes pop culture references. He's more serious that that.

I honestly feels to me like Marvel sometimes goes "well we're Marvel, and we're known for having humor in our films. so we HAVE to throw in a lot of jokes." And they don't put enough time and care into making sure that the humor fits the tone/situations that they set up.

Both of the previous Thor films have had this issue to. So I'm REALLY hoping that it doesn't happen here as well.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I think that it's more Feige and Marvel. Because I had these same issues with some of their other films. IM2, IM3 come to mind immediately.

And I really started to notice it with Dr. Strange. There were quite a few moments where I went "ok that joke was forced" or "ok that wasn't all that funny" in that movie. Also, while I did really enjoy Benedict Cumberbatch's performance, I feel like they were trying to turn Stephen Strange into Tony Stark-lite in places. I haven't read a ton of Dr. Strange comics TBF. But from what I have read, he's not a quippy character who makes pop culture references. He's more serious that that.

I honestly feels to me like Marvel sometimes goes "well we're Marvel, and we're known for having humor in our films. so we HAVE to throw in a lot of jokes." And they don't put enough time and care into making sure that the humor fits the tone/situations that they set up.

Both of the previous Thor films have had this issue to. So I'm REALLY hoping that it doesn't happen here as well.

I think it's just a matter of they see the box office and general audience reaction and go, let's keep doing what we're doing. They have no reason to change beyond wanting to expand their filmmaking, and if anything it's clearly the opposite of that they don't want to mix things up presumably due to fear of losing the 'Marvel factor'.

Look at this film, Waititi brought in because the script is dark, now apparently it's a laugh riot. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it'd be nice if they went outside of the MCU formula a few times

 

[HammerDown]

I think that it's more Feige and Marvel. Because I had these same issues with some of their other films. IM2, IM3 come to mind immediately.

And I really started to notice it with Dr. Strange. There were quite a few moments where I went "ok that joke was forced" or "ok that wasn't all that funny" in that movie. Also, while I did really enjoy Benedict Cumberbatch's performance, I feel like they were trying to turn Stephen Strange into Tony Stark-lite in places. I haven't read a ton of Dr. Strange comics TBF. But from what I have read, he's not a quippy character who makes pop culture references. He's more serious that that.

I honestly feels to me like Marvel sometimes goes "well we're Marvel, and we're known for having humor in our films. so we HAVE to throw in a lot of jokes." And they don't put enough time and care into making sure that the humor fits the tone/situations that they set up.

Both of the previous Thor films have had this issue to. So I'm REALLY hoping that it doesn't happen here as well.

For Doctor Strange they actually brought someone last minute to inject humor to the movie because it had a much more serious tone. They decided to brighten it up with humor from someone else and that is most likely what made the humor feel out of place and not with the vibe of the overall movie.

The diference with Taika is that he's not gonna have anyone tamper with his movie to add humor. I am willing to bet it's probably gonna be a more even an natural movie than Doctor Strange was... in concern to the humor side of things.

 

[jaqua99]

I think it's just a matter of they see the box office and general audience reaction and go, let's keep doing what we're doing. They have no reason to change beyond wanting to expand their filmmaking, and if anything it's clearly the opposite of that they don't want to mix things up presumably due to fear of losing the 'Marvel factor'.

Look at this film, Waititi brought in because the script is dark, now apparently it's a laugh riot. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it'd be nice if they went outside of the MCU formula a few times

In other word.. **** is getting old!