Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 5

[2kt09]

So, I agree, the studios should hire quality people and let them do their jobs (within certain parameters).

The parameters for sure are where we'll disagree.

 

[InCali]

The parameters for sure are where we'll disagree.

I think Feige has done a pretty good job at bringing quality movies with different tones (GotG, Thor, CA:CW being examples). Others are welcome to disagree.

 

[2kt09]

I think Feige has done a pretty good job at bringing quality movies with different tones (GotG, Thor, CA:CW being examples). Others are welcome to disagree.

Thank Feige for Taika Waititi...now don't get in his way as he's crafting the next masterpiece

 

[jaqua99]

Unless Thanos turned him into a decorative window pane. Maybe Surtur is closer to Thanos.

I'm thinking they might superpower Thor if Odin ends up dying soon.

Surtur would crush Thanos

 

[KINGTHANOS]

Surtur would crush Thanos

In the comics with no gauntlet, yes, but in the MCU? Maybe not. Korath said he was the most powerful being in the universe, and they all know of the Celestials.

 

[Vartha]

Original Sin came out in 2014 didn't it??
So like 3 friggin years!
I just want Thor to get back to his full power levels and stop lookin like a hobo already

yeah, but less than that, since Secret Wars and Thors when the Odinson disappeared at the end of that book

 

[jaqua99]

In the comics with no gauntlet, yes, but in the MCU? Maybe not. Korath said he was the most powerful being in the universe, and they all know of the Celestials.

Think that was hyperbole.

I mean..Dormammu was powerful enough consume planets.

 

[an_ewok]

Think that was hyperbole.

I mean..Dormammu was powerful enough consume planets.

Wasn't Dormammu in another universe, though?

 

[HammerDown]

When you look at the possible matchups for Thor Ragnarok you can't help but feel excitement.

Thor vs Loki
Thor vs Hulk
Thor & Hulk vs Hela
Heimdall vs Hela / Skurge
Thor & Hulk vs The Grandmaster
Thor & Hulk vs Surtur
Thor / Hulk vs Fenris Wolf
Odin, Thor, Loki & Hulk vs Hela & Surtur...

So many possible matchups and so much goodness... So much! And you still have Valkyrie to add to the mix, the other gladiators from the arena and the minions from Hel and Surtur's helm possibly. No wonder the producer of the film and even Karl Urban talked about the amount of battles and the amazing action... Can't wait!

 

[meanmc]

I would like to see a Synder "Thor: Ragnarok"... could be a great dark movie and would fit to the story too.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I would like to see a Synder "Thor: Ragnarok"... could be a great dark movie and would fit to the story too.

That suggestion is utterly horrifying. As if he hasn't already ruined enough beloved DC characters and properties with his immature version of 'dark and gritty' without getting his hands on Marvel too.

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Think that was hyperbole.

I mean..Dormammu was powerful enough consume planets.

As it's already been mentioned, Dormammu doesn't reside in 'our' universe, he's from an alternate dimension and it's likely that Korath doesn't even know that Dormammu exists. Technically Asgard and the other nine realms are in alternate dimensions too, if my theory below is correct.

My take in the comics and the films has always been that the Nine Realms are nine separate planets in nine separate dimensions (or 'realms' as the Asgardians call them) that are somehow linked to each other by Yggdrasil (whatever Yggdrasil truly is) and are only accessible through the bifrost which creates an interdimensional bridge or by hidden interdimensional portals on each planet, which is how Loki takes Thor and Jane through that mountain in Asgard and pops out in Svartalfheim on the other side in TDW. And Thor and Jane also find a portal in that random cave in Svartalfheim that takes them back to Earth. Loki seems to know where the hidden portals (or pathways) are on Asgard which is potentially how he could have come into contact with Hela during the events of TDW and made some kind of deal with her.

Anyway tl;dr, Dormammu, Odin and Surtur may technically be more powerful than Thanos (without the Gauntlet) but they're all in different dimensions so Thanos can still be described as being the most powerful being in 'the' (meaning our) universe.

It's worth remembering too that characters won't always have the same power level in the MCU as they do in the comics. From what we know about Ragnarok so far I'm pretty sure they're going to power Hela up from her comics incarnation, she's described as 'all powerful' in the synopsis and we know that she's going to bring unprecedented levels of destruction and terror with her.

 

[Vartha]

Well, IF the "worm holes" rainbow bridge are within the same universe Asgard could just be so far away from Earth we wouldn't detect it even if we tried.
I think we're IN that same Yggdrasil nebula within the same dimension just so VASTLY far away, that we as humans would never reach it without the same rainbow bridge technology.
I think Dormammu's universe is a different dimension because of the different laws of physics there, lack of time for one. Asgard has time it's they just live alot longer than we humans

the Infinity stones have different aspects for THIS dimension. Surtur was a step up from Odin basically, in the comics Odin had to become a weapon (missile) to destroy Surtur's body in this dimension, and they ended up in the Asgardian's afterlife battling each other over and over.
You would THINK that because one of the stones is a TIME stone, Thanos would be able to effect Dormammu with it like Strange did, but then it might not even effect Dormammu BECAUSE time doesn't effect him like us

 

[2kt09]

I would like to see a Synder "Thor: Ragnarok"... could be a great dark movie and would fit to the story too.

Dark and hilarious too.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I think we're IN that same Yggdrasil nebula within the same dimension just so VASTLY far away, that we as humans would never reach it without the same rainbow bridge technology.
I think Dormammu's universe is a different dimension because of the different laws of physics there, lack of time for one. Asgard has time it's they just live alot longer than we humans

But time existing in Asgard and the other Nine Realms doesn't mean we're all part of the same dimension. The Ancient One said there are an infinite amount of dimensions other than our own, I presume many of them are very similar to ours and many (like the Dark Dimension) are vastly different.

the Infinity stones have different aspects for THIS dimension.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that beings such as Odin couldn't have seen the power of the stones and removed one of them from our dimension (the Tessaract/Space Stone for example) to take them to another (a.k.a. Asgard) to ensure they are kept separated. Asgard is apparently the protector of the other Nine Realms, including Earth/Midgard so it makes sense that Odin would want to remove a potential threat.

IDK though, that's just my interpretation, I may be completely wrong.

 

[metaphysician]

Unless Thanos turned him into a decorative window pane. Maybe Surtur is closer to Thanos.

I'm thinking they might superpower Thor if Odin ends up dying soon.

Nah, Surtur is fully a peer of Odin. Thanos isn't that buff, he's just powerful ( and bricky ) enough that he can fight Odin for an extended time before inevitably losing.

Remember not to confuse Thanos' own capacities, with Thanos using the Infinity Gauntlet or some other omnipotence macguffin. Thanos can turn Odin into a window pane with the Infinity Gauntlet, but so could Rick Jones.

 

[metaphysician]

G'damn it...in that case...

PLEASE DON'T "QUALITY CONTROL" THIS

So you actively want Marvel Studios to release crappy movies?

 

[metaphysician]

Also, I'll say it again. Read the actual Ragnarok story. Having the movie not be grimdark is *100% in keeping with the comic source material*.

 

[2kt09]

So you actively want Marvel Studios to release crappy movies?

Follow the discussion. InCali was bringing up something else. I highlighted the portion that was relevant to what was being talked about.

 

[metaphysician]

Follow the discussion. InCali was bringing up something else. I highlighted the portion that was relevant to what was being talked about.

And I am bringing up my own, much blunter point: that I find his entire position laughable on the face. When you start using "quality control" as a *bad* thing, then you need to consider your whole stance.

 

[First Avenger]

I would like to see a Synder "Thor: Ragnarok"... could be a great dark movie and would fit to the story too.

Yeah,a razzie-worthy movie.

 

[2kt09]

And I am bringing up my own, much blunter point: that I find his entire position laughable on the face. When you start using "quality control" as a *bad* thing, then you need to consider your whole stance.

InCali was talking about quality control in the sense of quality crew being attached.

Quality control for me is TDW, IM2, Ant-Man, and this brief conversation of Dr Strange's tacked on humor.

I don't at all seeing that kind of "quality control" being lapped on to Waititi and Ragnarok.

 

[HammerDown]

So we already have discussed and pretty much agreed that the first "Teaser Trailer" for Thor Ragnarok is most likely gonna drop in April. According to my math and if it follows exactly the same path as the GOTG 2 promotional campaign, then the "Teaser Trailer" for Thor Ragnarok should drop on the 20th of April.

The "Teaser Trailer" for GOTG 2 dropped 6 months and 23 days before release.
So if the same thing happens with TR then it would drop in less than 2 months from now. Tick - Tock.

 

[HammerDown]

Just got my mind blown. Holy ****!
So i was going through some stuff on youtube about Thor Ragnarok and found this curious video in particular. While some of the stuff that it contains was already of my knowledge... one particular thing wasn't at all and caught me completely by surprise.

The "Eternal Flame" wich is in Odin's vault in the MCU as long with other artifacts. (In the comics, the Etenal Flame is a mystical flame that cannot be extinguished. It was stolen from Surtur by Odin, Vili, and Ve Borson at the dawn of time so that Surtur could not light his sword and bring about Ragnarök.)

I actually already knew this and some of the stuff about the other artifacts. What i missed completely was the meaning of another very important artifact in Odin's vault.

The "Tablet of Life and Time"! (In the comics, the tablet presented a biochemical formula for a serum, the so-called Lifeline Formula, which could rejuvenate, heal, and grant its user the chance to reach the full evolutionary potential of its race turning the user into an immortal near omnipotent.
The rune markings are on the Tablet can be translated as: "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow". That is a reference to "The Gods of the Gods", who, in the comics, are omnipotent and omniscient beings that draw their life energy released by the Ragnarök and caused the cycle of death and rebirth to continue.)

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How "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow" we're destroyed.

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[Vartha]

BUT what was used to power Bi-Frost BEFORE Asgard took possession of the Tesseract hmmmm? Odin doesn't reveal EVERYTHING as we've seen time and again. Loki did say "you don't have A tesseract yet" in Avengers. Suggesting there ARE more than one of at least the Tesseract.

But time existing in Asgard and the other Nine Realms doesn't mean we're all part of the same dimension. The Ancient One said there are an infinite amount of dimensions other than our own, I presume many of them are very similar to ours and many (like the Dark Dimension) are vastly different.



Agreed, but that doesn't mean that beings such as Odin couldn't have seen the power of the stones and removed one of them from our dimension (the Tessaract/Space Stone for example) to take them to another (a.k.a. Asgard) to ensure they are kept separated. Asgard is apparently the protector of the other Nine Realms, including Earth/Midgard so it makes sense that Odin would want to remove a potential threat.

IDK though, that's just my interpretation, I may be completely wrong.

 

[Vartha]

Yeah, Several of us translated the runes on the one tablet when the First Thor was about to come out HD. That's why I was saying early on I hope we see RUNE-Thor. He was/is more powerful than Odin ever was.
Rune Thor was so powerful he stopped the Ragnarok Cycle, and Those who sit above in shadow from feeding on Asgard and the nine realms' demise

The "Tablet of Life and Time"! (In the comics, the tablet presented a biochemical formula for a serum, the so-called Lifeline Formula, which could rejuvenate, heal, and grant its user the chance to reach the full evolutionary potential of its race turning the user into an immortal near omnipotent.
The rune markings are on the Tablet can be translated as: "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow". That is a reference to "The Gods of the Gods", who, in the comics, are omnipotent and omniscient beings that draw their life energy released by the Ragnarök and caused the cycle of death and rebirth to continue.)