TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers) - Part 3

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You may want to reread my post again. I stated quite clearly that many reviews--both positive and negative--cited non-stop violence for the 3rd act as something that detracted from the film. Even fans here who loved the film have said the same thing.

I've seen the film twice with two groups of friends: Last night's midnight showing was with fanboys who had mixed reviews but all felt the action was unbalanced and tiresome. Today I went with family and non-CBM fans. Same reactions.

In other words, general consensus does not have to include 100% of everyone involved to be considered "general".

Even if everyone on rotten tomatoes said it was that is only 200 people. including your "friends" that all conveniently agree with your opinion that does not make it the general consensus not even a little your talking about 210 people.
 
If it means anything I agree with Lightning. The non stop fighting and punching through buildings got reeeeaaaal old, even my brother who really liked the movie complained about it.
 
Im interested to hear these other ways he could have stopped Zod from frying those folks.
 
Even if everyone on rotten tomatoes said it was that is only 200 people. including your "friends" that all conveniently agree with your opinion that does not make it the general consensus not even a little your talking about 210 people.

Oh. I see. :cool:

So you're saying that because the RT website doesn't literally show millions of commentators stating the violence was overdone that somehow that's not a real consensus among people? I mean, hell, I haven't posted anything on RT, so maybe I can get the minority number up to 211, huh? And then we can get our "friends" from iMDB and AICN to chime in too. :dry:

Hair-splitting and assery aside, your effort to marginalize my statement doesn't change the fact that those numbers do represent a sampling of what people are thinking out there. And many of our peers here on the Hype who loved the film think it was a bit much.

However, somehow I think you already know that. So let's just move on with our discussion, shall we? :whatever:
 
I really disagree with alot of the fanboy sentiment toward MOS. I understand alot of the criticisms toward MOS , though alot of what people didnt like is what made me enjoy it. Its a matter of taste though so I cant say people who didnt like it are wrong. I can say that I enjoyed it and that I liked that they didnt just do a paint by numbers film which just checked off everything weve seen a million times before. I liked that they put a new spin on the myths. I really enjoyed it .
 
Here's my off the cuff morning after rant that everyone is gonna take issue with....

KRYPTON:
It all starts when we are thrown into the middle of a rather important conversation about the planet on the verge of destruction. And for whatever reason the council of elders doesn’t believe Jor-El, even though he is allegedly the planet’s leading scientist. I say allegedly because his quality as a scientist is never really displayed, yer just kinda told to go with that (which is a common problem in this film). But, before we’re even really allowed to come to terms with the plot of Krypton’s imminent destruction, Zod busts in with an agenda and plot of his own that consumes us for the next 10-15 action filled minutes, which seems more of a distraction from when we started with Krypton’s destruction. Zod comes off as a generic 2-D villain that we’ve seen a hundred times before. But once his Krypton arc is wrapped we are jarringly thrown back to Krypton’s destruction with great urgency. This movie often transitions from one idea to the next without concern for its audience or without regard for the ideas themselves. We weren’t even settled with Zod’s arc and Jor-El’s death and Kal-El’s departure when suddenly the planet starts blowing up leaving me to be like, “Oh! We’re doing that part now? Okay.” It just clumsily stumbles from one thing to the next.

As a personal taste, I didn’t like the portrayal of Krypton. I didn’t like this overly complicated neo-medieval depiction. It was clunky. And while Krypton had their advanced Etch-A-Sketch technology, they didn’t seem advanced as a society. They didn’t seem any better than humans on Earth, which I don’t like. And for no reason they’re all genetically engineered? It’s a casual idea that serves no purpose, other than to diminish a character like Jor-El. Because now instead of earning his place as a great scientist, he was merely genetically engineered to be that way. Are Zod’s actions really his fault? Not really, he was genetically engineered to do what he does. And it could have been interesting if Zod was made an example of genetic engineering gone wrong, but they never even bothered with a worthwhile idea like that. The whole Kryptonian society almost came off as fascist and cold. But I guess Kal-El will be extra super special because he wasn’t genetically engineered.

Russel Crowe did well enough. But there was no chemistry between him and Lara. Not that there’s any real chemistry between anyone in this movie.

CLARK’S JOURNEY:
This is where things really start to get real messy as a film. I’m fine with flashbacks and non-linear storytelling, but this here was a train wreck. The flashbacks came with no subtlety, the transitions were jarring, and it went on for way too long into the movie. It was like this movie was edited by a 5 year old who was treating their ADHD with crack. There is no movement to the story, it’s just all mashed together at once never really allowing any of it to settle in.

All the flashbacks of Clark being bullied were just poorly written clichés. Young Clark struggling with all these crazy sensations and powers was cool.

I dunno why present day Clark was on his journey, what he was looking for, or why he went where he went and did what he did. He was just aimlessly wandering hoping to find…I dunno. There wasn’t much of a bridge between the flashbacks of him as a kid to him as an adult to prompt his motivations.

I felt Jonathon Kent was a confusing character. He never really imparted his son with any great wisdom or guidance. Clark’s parents are supposed to be the source of his moral compass, but we never really see that being passed on. We see them concerned for his well being and urging him to be cautious of his abilities and to cope with his reality. But there is no great moral wisdom passed on. Clark’s moral compass is mentioned a few times in the film, but we are only told about it, it’s never really on display. Martha’s attempt at guiding her son through hard times was pretty cheesy and forced. Jonathon’s death was almost humorous. Trying to save a dog in the middle of a twister while refusing Clark’s help was pretty anti-climactic and non-sensical. I never really felt much of a connection between the two characters anyways. And before we even get to recognize his death, we are hit with another flashback where he’s alive again, so it’s almost like he never really died, stripping away any emotion one may have been able to conjure over it.

But, Clark finds what he’s looking for. We know this because he tells his mom “I found what I was looking for!” to which her reply sounds like “Oh that’s just great son, we’ll have to put it on the fridge.” But Clark never really gets to discover anything, he just wanders around aimlessly until he inexplicably stumbles upon a…something….where inside a computer Jor-El just tells him everything with an Etch-A-Sketch animation. That’s not discovery. That’s being told. We later find out that the “something” is a Kryptonian scout ship that apparently came to Earth thousands of years ago. The casual mention of this in a single sentence of dialogue introduces a big idea that really serves no purpose. This ship has nothing to do with anything happening in the movie, it’s just kind of there. More messy storytelling.

Lois tracking down her “mystery man” was kinda cool, but her actually discovering him was groan-inducing. Lois knowing who he is from the beginning is going to strip away so much of the fun chemistry that resulted in the traditional Clark/Lois/Superman love triangle. The scene with them at Jonathon’s grave made no sense. Clark has no reason to trust a NEWS REPORTER with everything he tells her. I don’t know what his reasoning was for that, because it made no sense to do so other than to forcefully push these characters along.

Oh, and then there’s the completely pointless scene of Clark talking to a priest. He just shows up to tell this priest the biggest secret in the world. In doing so, he asks the priest for advice but gets up and leaves before the priest even responds with advice. The priest actually has to stop him from leaving to give him the advice that he sought. It was pointless and didn’t make any sense. Why was he in a church in the first place? Was this just a pointless ham-fisted attempt to reference the Azzarello/Lee "For Tomorrow" comics?

SUPERMAN:
There was almost a grand moment when he first dons the Superman suit. It was cool to see him fail at flying, but I wish that happened before he put the suit on. It was awkward seeing that happen in the suit. But once he got flying it was cool. The suit still looks dumb to me though, but I’m not gonna go on that rant again. Cavill does a good job with what he’s given. He’d make a really good Superman if he were working with film makers that actually understood Superman.

In the lead up to this movie Zack Snyder constantly made the point that he wanted to show how the real world would react to someone like Superman existing. Okay, that’s cool. But that never happened in the movie. At all. Superman’s arrival was grossly unceremonious. There was an opportunity at a grand entrance, but it doesn’t happen. He’s just suddenly there, standing in front of the military, then in handcuffs. That’s his reveal to the world. Hell, his arrival on Earth in general wasn’t even depicted. What a missed opportunity it was to not even show the Kent’s discovering Kal-El’s ship. And in the future there will be the missed opportunity of Clrak revealing himself to Lois, because in this movie she already knows, which was pretty underwhelming in comparison to what could have been.

This film is full of things that should be amazing and awe inspiring and full of wonder, but you never feel any of that. It just clunkily plods along at an awkward pace that never really lets you experience anything. Yer never immersed in anything. Yer just briskly told stuff and expected to go along with it. It’s like they expect you to rely on yer pre-conceived attachments to Superman to feel awe-inspired instead of actually making the effort to create that emotion in the film itself. Not once did I have a sense of amazement when watching this movie.

And in the lack of people’s reaction to Superman’s existence you realize that there is no connection between Superman and the people at all. The people that Superman is allegedly protecting and saving are so completely absent from this movie. Which really undercuts the importance of the Superman character. And worst of all, there is nothing hopeful or inspiring about this Superman. We’re told that the symbol he wears is a symbol of hope, and there is the All-Star Superman dialogue about him being an ideal for the people to strive towards to join him in the sun, and that’s all great stuff. Those ideas are what Superman is supposed to embody. But none of that is in the film. There’s nothing even inspiring about his eventual “victory” over Zod. Nothing you want to cheer for. If I were one of the people in this film, I would have been pissed at Superman. All he brought to their planet was destruction. I could understand if he had some pre-existing relationship with the people of Earth, where they had a better understanding of him. But no, Zod shows up looking for Superman. Superman reveals himself to the world. The two of them destroy everything and millions die. What about any of this can be seen as inspiring or hopeful? What has he given the people to strive towards?

Also, he was called Superman once in this movie. Once. And it was from some no-name generic military dude. “They’re calling him Superman now.” Who is calling him Superman? Where is that coming from? No one has called him Superman. The whole entire time they’re yelling Clark, Clark, Clark. Um, what about SUPERMAN?! It was dumb.

THE ACTION:
Oh my god, the action. The destruction. There was so much of it that it lost any impact. It just became rubble and noise. How many times do I need to see a build blown to bits before I get numb to the image of it? And how grossly reckless was Superman? He destroyed SO MUCH stuff without any regard for anything. It was insane. He made little to no attempt to avoid destroying everything in his path, in fact he purposely destroyed things. Even the action that would have been cool doesn’t get to be recognized because it’s surrounded by so much stupid action. Yes, it’s great to see Superman fight and punch and get physical. But this was so ridiculously over the top that it was just eye rolling and non-sensical.

THE ENDING:
So, apparently the codex was something super important to Zod and his motivations as a character. Although, despite it’s great importance, what the codex actually is was casually relegated to a single sentence of dialogue. And suddenly Zod is gonna terraform Earth, which is a pretty big idea that just kinda came out of nowhere at the end.

But he’s got this world engine over the Indian Ocean, and his ship over Metropolis. Oh, by the way, Metropolis is in this movie. Not that the great City of Tomorrow is given any sort of recognition, introduction, establishment, or scope. Anyways, the world engine is in the middle of nowhere, unprotected, and in itself not any sort of immediate danger to anyone. Unlike Zod’s ship which is protected by all his artillery and henchmen and killing hundreds of people by the minute. So what sense does it make that Superman goes after the world engine? Why not send the military to blow that up while Superman tends to Zod, his men, and all the people dying? The military has no chance against Zod in Metropolis and is completely incapable of stopping the destruction.

And we’re gonna solve this whole thing by smashing two phantom engines together to create a black hole and suck all the bad guys into nothingness, because apparently that’s what conveniently happens when you smash two phantom engines together. So much smashing in this movie! Oh, but let’s not worry about all the good people down below in Metropolis that might get caught up in the black hole. Phantom Holes only go after bad guys, so it’s cool.

I mean, lets not try anything a little more interesting and serviceable to the characters such as having Dr. Emil Hamilton team up with the Jor-El program and use the phantom engine in Kal-El’s ship to engineer a Phantom Zone projector which can be used to trap Zod and his men back into the Phantom Zone. Instead, lets show off Hamilton’s scientific importance by having him inexplicably realizing he should turn this one thing so he can push a button. How dramatic! And why the hell was Lois on that plane other than to allow her to fall off so Superman can catch her….again.

AND THEN! there is the final battle between Superman and Zod. What a cool video game that was. I love seeing rubbery CGI men wrestle and lay waste to everything in their path. At this point, we’ve already seen multiple cities destroyed. Seeing even more destruction and bombastic noise was nothing more than an annoyance that I couldn’t wait to be over with. Also, I love how Zod proclaims he’s genetically engineered to preserve all things krypton Krypton as his introduction to kill Superman, the last Kryptonian. That makes sense.

THEN SUPERMAN KILLS ZOD! WHAT…THE F***?! I literally sat there in the theater with my hands in the air, surrendered to confusion and disbelief. SUPERMAN DOES NOT KILL! At all. Ever. And the build up to it was so incredibly void of drama. Not to mention this was completely pointless! What does this do for the character other than demean everything he’s supposed to represent?! What does it do? What was the point of this? There is nothing “edgy” or “modern” about a Superman that can’t save the day without killing. NOTHING. There is no reason this couldn’t have been resolved without Superman killing Zod, and there is no reason to believe the film and characters would have been lesser for it. I still can’t believe they did this. This whole movie was nothing short of Snyder/Goyer/Nolan depicting their inability to understand Superman.

And then there is the introduction of Clark Kent at the Daily Planet. Who is literally Superman in glasses. They made no attempt to present any sort of reasonable disguise. And how does Clark get a job at the planet anyways? He has no training or education as a journalist. In none of the flashbacks has he shown any interest in writing at all. He just walks into one of the most prestigious papers and has a job.

And by the way, what the hell are all these people doing? Yer city was literally just destroyed. Completely annihilated. The World Trade Center was destroyed 12 years ago. It still has yet to complete its replacement. The city of Metropolis was just leveled by aliens….and we’re trying to pick up co-workers to go to a basketball game?

MISC.:

All the side characters were fine. They served their minimal purpose, but there was nothing special about them either. And I’m okay with that. This film wanted to focus on Clark/Superman, which they failed to get right. The film was void of emotion and wonder and fun. The chemistry between all the characters was pretty stale. Faora was cool, and served her purpose as the typical hench-woman.

The pacing of this movie was atrocious. And so much of the plotting was completely non-sensical and so many ideas served no purpose. The characters were horribly undeveloped and mis-portrayed. I honestly can’t believe the film was allowed to be made in the form it was. And that so much money was spent on it. And that it was so glaringly flawed on almost every level that no one along the way was like “WAIT A MINUTE!”. How does this happen?

What few good things I can say about the movie are pretty pointless in the face of everything wrong with it.

A Superman that isn’t inspiring and has to kill to save the day is nothing I’m interested in.

I ‘d give it a 2/10.


I'm thankful iamsilvio quoted your post a couple of pages back because it saved me a lot of typing. I really can't put it any better than that. I couldn't find the words to express how dumb and horribly-executed this incoherent POS movie really was. I generously rated it a 5 and the more I think about it the more I think the score should have been lower. The action scenes, which I was hoping would be the saving grace of this film after enduring that first hour, were horribly shot and a blurry, sped-up, repetitive mess. When it came time for Superman to fight Zod I was wondering what the hell they could possibly do any different than the previous 30+ minutes? Punch some more? Smash through more buildings? This was the first movie since Transformers where I just wanted it to end.
 
Im interested to hear these other ways he could have stopped Zod from frying those folks.

1.) Super-speed: Superman already had Zod in a death grip. With lightning speed he could've flown them both through another wall to their left or even straight up through the ceiling (Lord knows they had smashed through about 95% of every other building in the city, so what's one more :rolleyes: ).

Another option could've been punching Zod in the side of his head (again sending him careening to the left) and then zipping to shield the family with his body and cape.

2.) Turn his damn head to the left: For a while Superman was just watching Zod's eye beams carving the wall left to right, all the while saying "Don't do this." It was like he was paralyzed from fear of the inevitable instead of thinking of ways to avert danger. Again, he wasn't really thinking on his toes. Why didn't he simply (and forcibly) move Zod's head away from facing the family? He had the right idea but he just chose to snap the neck altogether.

Obviously, either of the above actions (or others I can't think of at the moment) would've only belabored the film's already-super-long-timing and by that point clearly the editors were ready to wrap it up.

So the neck-snapping option was chosen.
 
To claim that Chris Reeve's Superman and Margot Kidder's Lois Lane "killed" Zod and Ursa is stretching things a bit. There is no conclusive evidence that they died. Zod didn't "die" of a crushed hand. Ursa didn't "die" of a fist to her jaw. :whatever: What was actually shown were the three villians being depowered and falling/being hurled into an abyss in the Fortress of Solitude. Did their falls land them in another Phantom Zone type scenario? Did they even land anywhere? We can only imply our own conclusions. Since the Kryptonians used the Phantom Zone due their disbelief in the death penalty it seems unlikely that Superman would suddenly adopt that stance in a Fortress crafted from Kryptonian technology.

Whatever happened to Zod, Ursa and Non, that scene portrayed nothing on the level of finality compared to MOS' death of Zod. That scene actually showed Superman snapping someone's neck in an unmistakably brutal way.

What bothers me? The neck-snapping was done for one purpose: shock value. That's it. And the really sad part is that Superman didn't have to do that to save those innocent lives.

Part of what makes Superman so brilliant is his ability to think of clever ways to solve problems and conflicts. MOS' Superman wasn't really clever or thinking on his toes there. He just did the fastest and most expedient thing on pure impulse.
I admit that I wasn't expecting him to snap his neck either, but I disagree that it was done for shock value. I guess you could justify it in a couple of ways. For example, they had been fighting like crazy and were more than likely worn out a little. I mean, there's only so many buildings you can crash through and mid-air punches that one can take right? But if you watch it, Supes has Zod pinned down and Zod looked like he was fighting back as far as keeping himself grounded. My first thought was that he would air lift him out of there, but then what would Zod do? He'd find some other innocents to threaten.

It really comes down to what Zod himself said. Supes begs and pleads for him to stop (very convincingly too) and Zod responds very resoundingly, "never." He simply would not stop. Zod was bred for one purpose and he cannot break away from it. There may have been another decision Supes could have made, but considering what he was faced with he had to go with the righteous kill. I'm actually kind of glad they didn't shy away from Supes killing someone, if nothing else just to show that he too can't be expected to save everyone. Zod was completely and truly lost and his death was tragic, something Supes displayed quite poignantly by his reaction.

It's quite different than killing someone like Luthor. If Superman had killed Lex, I think this argument could be justified. Superman killing humans is really where things get dicey, because he isn't one of them. Superman easily has the ability to kill people and there's little we could do to stop him. Zod however is not human. Superman is the only one who can actually put a stop to him. It was a lose-lose scenario for Supes, but one that we're going to see consequences from later (I hope) as well as seeing him learn and live with his decisions.

To sum up, it was an extremely heated moment and Zod really didn't give him any other choice. I know that point can be argued, but I personally don't feel that Superman is in the wrong for what he did.
 
1.) Super-speed: Superman already had Zod in a death grip. With lightning speed he could've flown them both through another wall to their left or even straight up through the ceiling (Lord knows they had smashed through about 95% of every other building in the city, so what's one more :rolleyes: ).

Another option could've been punching Zod in the side of his head (again sending him careening to the left) and then zipping to shield the family with his body and cape.

2.) Turn his damn head to the left: For a while Superman was just watching Zod's eye beams carving the wall left to right, all the while saying "Don't do this." It was like he was paralyzed from fear of the inevitable instead of thinking of ways to avert danger. Again, he wasn't really thinking on his toes. Why didn't he simply (and forcibly) move Zod's head away from facing the family? He had the right idea but he just chose to snap the neck altogether.

Obviously, either of the above actions (or others I can't think of at the moment) would've only belabored the film's already-super-long-timing and by that point clearly the editors were ready to wrap it up.

So the neck-snapping option was chosen.


did they ever show sthe effects of how the heat vision on kryponian skin. Im wondering because Supes couldve covered the eyes. At least in time for the people to run away
 
If it means anything I agree with Lightning. The non stop fighting and punching through buildings got reeeeaaaal old, even my brother who really liked the movie complained about it.

It was like the September 11th 2001 attacks on the highest of high octane. And to think there would've been people in all of those Metropolis buildings too. The film seemed to really suspend its own disbelief because in real life hundreds of thousands of civilians would've died in that cataclysm. :whatever:

It got old for me...and a bit desensitizing...again, post 9/11 recollections.
 
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did they ever show sthe effects of how the heat vision on kryponian skin. Im wondering because Supes couldve covered the eyes. At least in time for the people to run away

That thought did cross my mind in the theater. Good point.
 
Yes, she was mentioned by name after the accident.

I hated how Lois was involved in so many action scenes. Why would the military trust an untrained reporter with being the point man on the most important military mission in human history?

In my opinion...the Lana story could have been more of a focal point...with Lois as a reporter trying to uncover the truth about the alien. Maybe instead of the Kents telling Clark that he should let people die instead of using his powers, Lana could have cared for him...but feared him...and that would have led Clark to want to keep his powers secret after she shuns him...maybe even not saving his father out of fear of being seen. Lois would have been a subplot until the end...maybe have that "please dont share my identity" speech at the end of the film.


Well I'm glad you were able to catch that. It would of been nice to see that part of Superman's history , but I can see why it was trimmed. I really thought something might come of it. Maybe she'll appear in the sequel as Lex's girlfriend.
 
I admit that I wasn't expecting him to snap his neck either, but I disagree that it was done for shock value. I guess you could justify it in a couple of ways. For example, they had been fighting like crazy and were more than likely worn out a little. I mean, there's only so many buildings you can crash through and mid-air punches that one can take right? But if you watch it, Supes has Zod pinned down and Zod looked like he was fighting back as far as keeping himself grounded. My first thought was that he would air lift him out of there, but then what would Zod do? He'd find some other innocents to threaten.

It really comes down to what Zod himself said. Supes begs and pleads for him to stop (very convincingly too) and Zod responds very resoundingly, "never." He simply would not stop. Zod was bred for one purpose and he cannot break away from it. There may have been another decision Supes could have made, but considering what he was faced with he had to go with the righteous kill. I'm actually kind of glad they didn't shy away from Supes killing someone, if nothing else just to show that he too can't be expected to save everyone. Zod was completely and truly lost and his death was tragic, something Supes displayed quite poignantly by his reaction.

It's quite different than killing someone like Luthor. If Superman had killed Lex, I think this argument could be justified. Superman killing humans is really where things get dicey, because he isn't one of them. Superman easily has the ability to kill people and there's little we could do to stop him. Zod however is not human. Superman is the only one who can actually put a stop to him. It was a lose-lose scenario for Supes, but one that we're going to see consequences from later (I hope) as well as seeing him learn and live with his decisions.

To sum up, it was an extremely heated moment and Zod really didn't give him any other choice. I know that point can be argued, but I personally don't feel that Superman is in the wrong for what he did.

I think you're making some valid points. It just smacked of lazy writing to me.

If the 3rd act of the film hadn't been consumed by so much non-stop action they would've had time to flesh out an alternative to get Zod in a state of inactivity without killing him. It would've required some clever, creative set-up and again, time, but it could've been done.
 
It was like the September 11th 2001 attacks on the highest of high octane. And to think there would've been people in all of those Metropolis buildings too. The film seemed to really suspend its own disbelief because in real life hundreds of thousands of civilians would've died in that cataclysm. :whatever:

It got old for me...and a bit desensitizing...again, post 9/11 recollections.


In real life I think most of them would evacuate after a huge alien aircraft perched itself in the middle of the city. I thought it was weird for anyone including The Daily Planet people to be hanging around for so long.
 
In real life I think most of them would evacuate after a huge alien aircraft perched itself in the middle of the city. I thought it was weird for anyone including The Daily Planet people to be hanging around for so long.

True. I was annoyed by how casual many of the pedestrians were during the explosions towards the end of the battle scenes. It was like they just wanted to watch which is totally unrealistic.
 
Airbender is a 0/10, just saying. :woot:

nah, objectively that movie had some good shots, good action sequences, and some pretty cinematography, so no, it wasn't a 0. No matter how much I hate a movie...no art is 0...even batman and Robin, my worst movie of all time, had some level of entertainment tho not my cup of tea for that sort of adaptation.
 
I think you're making some valid points. It just smacked of lazy writing to me.

If the 3rd act of the film hadn't been consumed by so much non-stop action they would've had time to flesh out an alternative to get Zod in a state of inactivity without killing him. It would've required some clever, creative set-up and again, time, but it could've been done.

Why was it wrong for him to be killed? The scenario was weak as I feel their should have been more humans threatened by zods last act. supes could have rapidly gone in front of zod and taken the hit. of
 
did they ever show sthe effects of how the heat vision on kryponian skin. Im wondering because Supes couldve covered the eyes. At least in time for the people to run away

I think I remember one of the kryptonians flinching from Superman's heat vision at one point. And if heat vision really is the way that Superman shaves, then it is possible it would burn his skin too. Maybe he burned himself while shaving once ha. Too bad they never show it so it's all hypothetical.
 
did they ever show sthe effects of how the heat vision on kryponian skin. Im wondering because Supes couldve covered the eyes. At least in time for the people to run away

Yes. the fact it comes out of superman's eyes and doesn't roast his own eye lids off, should indicate the tolerance.
 
If it means anything I agree with Lightning. The non stop fighting and punching through buildings got reeeeaaaal old, even my brother who really liked the movie complained about it.

all that building damage came from the gBeam. I recall about 2 maybe 3 punches through buildings(but I'm faint on the situation).

From the way people made this film sound I thought it had more pointless fighting than the Raid or something. To each his own.
 
putting his hands across zods eyes and then flying him up

Zod seemed to be in control of his own flying at that point. As for hands on eyes, that might be a good way to lose or at least maim your hands. Not a good idea when you are the only thing stopping a genocide.
 
Yes. the fact it comes out of superman's eyes and doesn't roast his own eye lids off, should indicate the tolerance.

When's the last time he fired those beams with his eyes closed?
 
Just got back from Man of Steel...here's my review:

Pros:

- I really liked Henry Cavill as Superman. He was brilliant in my opinion and grasped the image of a modern day Superman.

- I liked the interaction between Superman and the army...and also when they first call him Superman.

- His flight scene was really nicely done I thought.

- Krypton looked cool.

- Lois Lane is better than any Lois before.

- Jor El was really well portrayed.

- Faora was a powerful villain.

- Superman vs Tentacled Machine

- There was a scene near the mid-end, where you fear for Earth and that leads to a good sequence of action.

- Liked the acting of Colonel Hardy (Meloni)


Cons:

- Some pretty annoying shaky camera work, that I haven't noticed in too many movies before, but I have now.

- Failed a lot in basic storytelling...They had the right ideas on what to show, but they just didn't show enough of it. The flashbacks just didn't work for me. I have nothing against flashbacks...they were used really well in Batman Begins, but they were pretty weak here. Things just happened...one after the other.

- Scene lengths were too short to convey enough emotion. What happened after the tornado...how did his father's dead affect him? What happened after he found out he was an alien? What kinds of decisions does he make in life and how? These are fundamentals of story and character development that were missing...which leads me to the next point.

- Character development was really weak...we really don't know who Clark Kent is...what values his fathers instil in him. Some scenes with Jonathan and Clark would really help. They skipped over him growing up (and showed it with flashbacks), so we really don't know how Clark got to the fishing boat or the fortress/ship or anywhere really. Like I said, things just happened. We really miss the journey from Clark to Superman that is promised from an origin movie. This is replaced by action...

- Side characters were not important at all and I really wanted them to be after the Dark Knight Trilogy. People were making a fuss about Jenny Olsen and she barely had a line. Perry White did very little, but his character was fine. The movie was missing a Gordon/Fox/Alfred type side role...Having important side characters can make a movie memorable.

- In my opinion Superman needed to struggle more (especially with the type of action they showed). There wasn't a scene where it looked like he was losing. If there was, it quickly jumped back into the action. There was no breather or time to think or see him struggle. It was beat-down after beat-down.


Mixed:

- Absolutely beautiful soundtrack by Hans Zimmer that sounds better by itself than in the movie (in my opinion)

- Even though Lois Lane is a good character and well portrayed...her motivations and her relationship with Clark is underdeveloped. Her journey is mentioned but unexplored and would've worked a lot better in a linear storytelling format. Not a big issue though.

- Really good amount of action and good quality action. There were some scenes that were well done and others that were too over the top and for me a bit too similar visually. I good chunk could be replaced by story building and character building. They needed to give some time to think about what's going on.

- Missing humour and memorable dialogue. I saw really good, memorable dialogue in the trailers and that's pretty much all I can recall. Even those lines felt a bit off for me in the movie...because they missed any sort of consequence and the movie kept skipping to the next scene. However, humour and memorable dialogue is not needed, if you get the primary points right.

- Zod was a good villain (much much better than Mandarin for me), but I expected more craziness and anger from him. Shannon is capable and his strongest line was "I will find him"...most of it's shown in the trailer.

- Sci-fi stuff worked really well with Superman, but I'm still undecided about some of the stuff shown - like the advancement of Jor El's A.I. It was nothing major again.

- The krypton stuff was covered well, but I felt they could've covered that (in short) during the fortress scene, when Jor El is telling him about what happened, rather than so much in the beginning. I could've given them more time for Clark + Kent development.

Some of the critics were really harsh though...especially the ones that didn't understand the concept of the modern Superman being different from Donner's. However, a lot of the reviews did bring up these points.

Rating: 6.5/10

I agree fully but lois should have been lana instead...also i agree with you but rathe ri liked the action so much i gave it a 7.5/10
 
When's the last time he fired those beams with his eyes closed?

it's called HEAT visions, hence when u light a flame, you dont have to actually touch it to be burned. The beam itself is light, the heat is the reaction to that light with the atmosphere which cause heat. we don't touch the sun, but feel it's rays. The skin around superman's eyelids tolerate that heat vision for an immense amount of time.
 
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