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TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers) - Part 3

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"While genuine arguments might yet be had on the merits of Snyder’s earlier films ('300,' in particular, suffers from some of the source material’s unchecked fascism), anyone who fails to recognize his artistry after 'Man of Steel' is either blind or unrepentantly biased. His intuitive understanding of genre in form and content made him ideal for this reboot, which, under the guidance of producer Christopher Nolan, hews towards the realism employed in his recent Batman films, but remains firmly indebted to Snyder’s distinct flair, here able to roam freely within the Superman universe..."

Robert Humanick's review - 'Great superhero film in ‘Man of Steel’ - from which the above is excerpted, can likely be found on other sites - I found it at this link:
http://www.tricountyrecord.com/arti...0619809/great-superhero-film-in-man-of-steel-
 
But isn't this an inherent issue that plenty of writers have wrestled with in trying to bring Superman into relevancy in modern times. That's really all there is to know about Clark, that he's a good, wholesome individual that stands for truth, justice & the American way. That's it! There's no deep psychological underpinnings to him or his story, the only thing close to it is his origin, which I explained earlier, is more of spiritual awakening than a psychological journey like that of Bruce Wayne. He's basically Superman since the time he's old enough to realize right and wrong and help people, his personality is very basic and vanilla as it should be.

See I think that's a very limited view of the character and is why he doesn't appeal to a lot of people. He's just as nuanced and complex as Batman. Good writers like Mark Waid have born this out in their stories. Superman Birthright is my favorite example. Not only does he establish clark traveling around he gives it context and makes him a journalist. He also establishes three distinct personas (just like Batman). You have the private Clark who is open, confident and interesting, and relaxed. He's that way with the people who know his secret, ie his parents in that comic (also portrayed this way in Lois & Clark), its pretty much the way Bruce was with Alfred. Then you have the public persona, the guy he becomes when he's at the Daily Planet (admittedly not scene in the film) where he's the quiet guy who fades into the background (I guess he does do this in the film) or is more goofy in some interpretations (equivalent to playboy Bruce Wayne, basically put on so no one ever suspects he's really a superhero). Then you have Superman, the embodiment of all the ideals he stands for, he's kind but tough, friendly but intimidating to the bad guys (this was shown in the film). It's the real Clark but with an additional edge (equivalent to Batman in costume).

Now maybe more of this will be explored in the follow-up films. But to say "oh he's just a good person" is an understatement that limits the character to me. He can be interesting and complex, full of personality and wit. I get that's not what they chose to do in this film, they basically went with "he's a loner who hasn't found his place until he becomes Superman". And I guess that works i this context but to that's all there is to the character or that he fundamentally doesn't have the layers or complexity when compared to other characters just isn't true and betrays a lack of understanding of his many portrayals.

Well for me, at the very least, the part where he allows himself to die in order to keep Clark a secret was pretty warm & loving. Seriously though, nothing about him came off as cold or detached, he loves his "son" so much that he's trying to keep him from being targeted or taken away because of his abilities. At least Clark had interaction with both his parents, Bruce in BB barely had any conversations or involvement with his mom that we're at least privy to. So no, Johnathan doesn't just instill Clark with wholesome values, instead he's also gives it to him straight, which to me, was refreshing.

Clark asks what's wrong with him, he shows him the ship and tells him he's an alien. Clark tells him he's not his father, and he agrees with him, while still explaining how he's done the best he could. He sees Clark getting bullied and doesn't run over to help him, he commends him for not striking back and implores him to be sure of the man he wants to be, because that man will change the world good or bad. If this isn't being loving enough, I don't know what is or what more was needed for an origin told in countless forms of media and entertainment.

The part in bold just didn't happen. Maybe that was the writers' intent with that scene but they fumbled it pretty bad. It's one bad descision after another from Johnathan chosing to do something that clark could've done quicker even without powers. To clark seeing his dad stuck in the car but waiting to even try to make any move at all until the last minute where his dad waves him off. The scene doesn't ring true as "tragic" but as poorly thought out and executed. I'm just speaking for myself but I've seen similar sentiments expressed elsewhere. Even the lesson he's trying to teach has little to no enduring value.
 
I got this from IMDB.

by General_Haberdashery




Decided to make a list since the same questions keep resurfacing. A lot of these answers were given in the film, some are common sense, or would be known to anyone familiar with Superman, but if you aren't familiar with Superman or missed something I hope this helps.

1. How did the suit get on the 20,000 year-old ship? Did Jor-El's hologram print it out or something? Makes no sense, man!
No, Jor-El's hologram didn't download it. It is a 20,000 year old suit. The suit belonged to the explorers who were aboard the scout ship. The reason it has an 'S' already on it was explained in the film. The symbol represents 'HOPE" not the El Family, aslo if you note during the scene where Holo-Jor-El projects the history of Krypton for Kal-El, you will see that the space colonists were planting flags with the 'S' on it at the planets they arrived at. Not to claim for the El family, but to symbolize the hope for Krypton and it's expansion. The symbol is not used in the same way as previous films or comics.​
2. Why did Zod take Lois in the ship, he aready had Kal-El? Stupid!
Zod took her for the same reason the Feds did.

Zod wanted to extract every bit of info on Kal El's secret identity, and if you recall, the national news networks had interviewed a blogger who stated that Lois knows who the alien really is. Zod monitored the news, apparently.

When she meets up with Clark after he passes out, she explains that they went into her mind and learned everything she knew about him. Zod didn't know exactly what she knew, just that she knew something. As a brilliant tactician and military mind, to make sure that he had all the possible information he could, he took her to see exactly what she knew.

He didn't want to take any chances and wanted to know everything he could.

Remember, at this time he wanted the codex, not Kal El specifically.
The location of the pod Kal El was sent in could have housed it.

Anyone with any information (including Ma Kent) were questioned.​
3. Why not just read Ma Kent's mind instead of choking her? DUH!
Obviously there was no need. The choke worked.​
4. Why didn't the Kryptonians evacuate the planet when Jor-El told them to?! They have spaceships, just fly away!
No one believed Jor-El. One man saying the planet is going to explode isn't enough to convince the entire population to leave it. Especially if that man's theories are refuted by other scientists.

When a man tells the world that the planet is going to end very shortly (by comet/meteor, God/rapture, natural disaster, etc.) on Earth, no matter how respected, what happens? No listens, and they're always wrong.

Krypton was an isolationist society, heavily controlled, and mired in bureaucracy. They stopped exploring (Jor-El explains this) and were content to remain where they were with what they had. The leaders were arrogant and stubborn. The implosion happens so violently and suddenly there was no time to leave. None of their ships were prepared for long distance space travel with no clear destination. If someone DID managed to get through the violent quakes and volcanic eruptions and make it to a ship that wasn't toppled over how far would they get with the little food, water, and fuel that they had?​
5. Why didn't Kal-El lead Zod away from Metropolis? He did that in Superman 2, so why not do it again?
The fight between Superman and the Kryptonians/Zod in metropolis during Superman 2 and Man of Steel were not for the same reasons. In Superman 2, Zod wanted to rule Earth, and defeat Kal-El based on his hatred of his father. In Man of Steel, Zod explained his goal for the planet before the fight. To kill every human he could. Illustrated when he tries to incinerate a family. The fight in Man of Steel was to keep him from doing that. If Kal-El suddenly left Metropolis hoping Zod would follow to some desert or Antarctica, he would have seen Zod stay behind to continue his destruction of the city.

Zod in Superman 2 wanted to rule humans. Zod in Man of Steel wanted them all dead. Two different objectives for the fights taking place.​
6. He could have just flown straight up though and took him out of Metropolis, right? So stupid yall!
At the point where they were fighting Zod had learned to begin to master the ability to fly. If Superman tried to fly up, Zod simply had to fly down. What would happen when this occured would have been a stalemate which is pretty much what we saw. Zod could have easily resisted Superman's attempt to pull him up.​
7. Since when are there Kryptonian "avatar" Dragons? So ridiculous!
Since October 1, 1952. http://i.imgur.com/dqAauXm.jpg

Kryptonian dragons exist on Krypton in the comics and one recently appeared in the latest version of Superman comics (New 52) which he killed.
8. Why Terraform Earth? Zod could have found another place, come on!
In order to have a new Krypton fully restored Zod needed two things: 1. The Codex and 2. A suitable world. He found both on Earth. Could he have left and found another world to terraform? Absolutely. He could have also simply adapted to Earth's atmosphere and lived peacefully with the humans. He didn't want that. He viewed humanity as inferior and irrelevant.

Zod was no different than the many human conquerors throughout history that went to new lands and wiped out the native population to take everything, rather than live peacefully or find another place to settle. He's a psychopath from an isolationist world.​
8B Superman could have convinced him to leave, why didn't he?? Lame.

He did try. During the scene where Zod entered his mind. He begged him not to do it. He literally screamed 'NO!" Later holographic Jor-El also tried to change his mind, and Zod erased him entirely. He didn't want to change his mind.​
9. Superman doesn't kill! Why did they make him do it?
Superman DOES kill if he has to. In fact, he killed Zod and Faora in the comics at one point before the retcon. This however doesn't negate the fact that he did this, as well as the fact that recently in the New 52 he planned to kill again when he had no choice:

http://i.imgur.com/PgWkrwT.jpg

He also killed Zod and the Nuclear Man in the previous films.​
10. Superman said he let his Dad die because people weren't ready? Crazy!
No. He said he let his father die because his father believed the world wasn't ready. His father refused to let Kal save him because he was protective of his son and feared what might happen to him. Not physically, but psychologically and emotionally if the world rejected and feared him. Maybe even worshiped him.​
11. Why is Perry White, now Black??!
Because he's played by Laurence Fishburne.
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12. Why so much collateral damage? Does Superman not care?
This is consistent with the battles Superman had with powerful villains in the comic book: http://i.imgur.com/2QIeF6g.jpg

...and the cartoon where he punches Darksied through 7 skyscrapers and into the busy streets in the middle of the city: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJ2Bd41zsw

As well as the previous movies where he threw Zod through a building and almost killed the people in a cab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkfUUqowQjA

I am sure he would be concerned if innocent people died, but clearly some things were unavoidable. This never bothered people before, I guess.​
13. Wouldn't changing the atmosphere render the Kryptonians powerless? Why terraform then?
The powers came from the sun and the environment of the planet Earth. They could likely have retained their abilities in a new planetary atmosphere and gravity level with the same sun in some capacity or degree.​
14. So Superman can now breath underwater and in space? Come on!!
No, he can't. He held his breath. Kryptonians breath like we do. That was why Zod and his crew wore helmets on Earth.​
15. Why was Superman coughing on the ship? So dumb!
The ship had a Krytponian atmosphere, like how the Star Trek Enterprise has an Earth one. Kal-El's body was used to Earth's atmosphere after breathing it for 33 years and the sudden transition overwhelmed him. Lois had a helmet on to protect her. He did not.​
16. Who suddenly rebuilt Metropolis??! Clark just walks into the Daily Planet and everything is suddenly normal?
Time had passed.​
17. Why no use of the John Williams theme?
It's 2013. This is a new Superman and they want a new score.​
18. How did Clark know about the ship in Antarctica?! Silly.
Using his super sense of hearing. He overheard the soldiers in the bar talking about what was discovered there. He somehow worked his way into being a part of the crew that did menial labor. Once he got there, he then used his X-ray vision to see exactly where the ship was. Once he found it, he used his heat-vision to bore a tunnel straight to it. That's why the tunnel Lois entered was dripping and had running water in it. He literally just made it.​
19. Why did the Council send Zod to the Phantom Zone when the planet was about to be destroyed?

Jor-El was the only one freaking out about the planet's destruction, and he's killed by Zod before he and his goons are sentenced to the Phantom Zone. If he had been alive, then there would actually be a legitimate reason for this question, because you can assume that were Jor-El alive, he would object to sending Zod off planet. But he got killed, and I think the writers did this on purpose specifically so there would be nobody to object to sending Zod away.​
20. Why did Superman lose his powers aboard Zod's ship ?
When Superman is restrained to the operating table (for lack of a better word) Kryptonian criminal scientist Jax-Ur explains to him that his strength derived from the Earth's sun was neutralized. The Kryptonians had the technology to enter his mind aboard their ship, it stands to reason that they also had the ability to neutralize his strength. One could assume it could be some form of technology that generated a form of Red Sun Radiation or even possibly an atmospheric configuration that they used because it was clearly planned, but once Jor-El took over the ship, it ceased to function (alarms went off) and Superman's strength returned instantly, but it isn't explained exactly how they did it. Just that they did it.

EDIT: Forgot to add that Jor-El also once downloaded into the computer, changed the atmospherics back to the Earth composition. This also benefited Kal-El. Whatever device they were using ceased to function at that point.​
21. Why did Superman get weakened aboard the ship? What the?!




http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/board/thread/216037205

 
Maybe it should be printed out n distributed to the audience b4 they get into the cinema. :D
 
I'm really going to have to go back and watch this movie again. I was thoroughly displeased after my first viewing but the more I read the more I wonder if I missed some things that would've enhanced my enjoyment of it. I still stand by the fact that it felt cold, heartless, and wasn't fun in the slightest but I'll hold off on bashing the film further until I can see it agian.
Y'mean you all don't talk like Forest Gump?

Not at all. I'm from the city though so maybe it's just because I wasn't raised in the rural areas, but most people I know don't even have an accent. Granted we say things like 'yall' but for the most part you wouldn't be able to tell where I was from by where I talk.
 
I'm really going to have to go back and watch this movie again. I was thoroughly displeased after my first viewing but the more I read the more I wonder if I missed some things that would've enhanced my enjoyment of it. I still stand by the fact that it felt cold, heartless, and wasn't fun in the slightest but I'll hold off on bashing the film further until I can see it agian.

I'm sorry you felt that way. For me, I felt this movie to have the most touching moments than any other comic book film. Felt even stronger after watching it the 2nd time. Hopefully you can be pleased a bit more after watching it again.
 
I'm really going to have to go back and watch this movie again. I was thoroughly displeased after my first viewing but the more I read the more I wonder if I missed some things that would've enhanced my enjoyment of it. I still stand by the fact that it felt cold, heartless, and wasn't fun in the slightest but I'll hold off on bashing the film further until I can see it agian.


Not at all. I'm from the city though so maybe it's just because I wasn't raised in the rural areas, but most people I know don't even have an accent. Granted we say things like 'yall' but for the most part you wouldn't be able to tell where I was from by where I talk.

I felt the same as you the first time I saw it. The second time the flaws were even more noticeable.

To me it's the duality of the film that it has some pretty good individual performances and an occasional outstanding scene that is completely undermined by one of the worst scripts in a CBM, and horrible directing choices.
 
I'm sorry you felt that way. For me, I felt this movie to have the most touching moments than any other comic book film. Felt even stronger after watching it the 2nd time. Hopefully you can be pleased a bit more after watching it again.

I truly hope so too.
 
See I think that's a very limited view of the character and is why he doesn't appeal to a lot of people. He's just as nuanced and complex as Batman. Good writers like Mark Waid have born this out in their stories. Superman Birthright is my favorite example. Not only does he establish clark traveling around he gives it context and makes him a journalist. He also establishes three distinct personas (just like Batman). You have the private Clark who is open, confident and interesting, and relaxed. He's that way with the people who know his secret, ie his parents in that comic (also portrayed this way in Lois & Clark), its pretty much the way Bruce was with Alfred. Then you have the public persona, the guy he becomes when he's at the Daily Planet (admittedly not scene in the film) where he's the quiet guy who fades into the background (I guess he does do this in the film) or is more goofy in some interpretations (equivalent to playboy Bruce Wayne, basically put on so no one ever suspects he's really a superhero). Then you have Superman, the embodiment of all the ideals he stands for, he's kind but tough, friendly but intimidating to the bad guys (this was shown in the film). It's the real Clark but with an additional edge (equivalent to Batman in costume).

Now maybe more of this will be explored in the follow-up films. But to say "oh he's just a good person" is an understatement that limits the character to me. He can be interesting and complex, full of personality and wit. I get that's not what they chose to do in this film, they basically went with "he's a loner who hasn't found his place until he becomes Superman". And I guess that works i this context but to that's all there is to the character or that he fundamentally doesn't have the layers or complexity when compared to other characters just isn't true and betrays a lack of understanding of his many portrayals.



The part in bold just didn't happen. Maybe that was the writers' intent with that scene but they fumbled it pretty bad. It's one bad descision after another from Johnathan chosing to do something that clark could've done quicker even without powers. To clark seeing his dad stuck in the car but waiting to even try to make any move at all until the last minute where his dad waves him off. The scene doesn't ring true as "tragic" but as poorly thought out and executed. I'm just speaking for myself but I've seen similar sentiments expressed elsewhere. Even the lesson he's trying to teach has little to no enduring value.

Good post. I've seen people say they had trouble relating to Superman but I never did. Superman is a character that has had doubts and flaws in different stories for years. I think the problem some people have is its not on the surface enough or that he's not extreme enough in his flaws or angst or whatever. But just becused he's well adjusted it doesn't mean he's not fallible in a human sense. Some people just can't seem to get past the exterior without the characters feelings magnified and thrown in their face. I think they says more about the people the the character. Sometimes you just have to be willing to pay attention and look last the surface. Superman's he's a relatable character to me for years. Long before MOS. I guess I'm just not jaded enough that I thought not every character had to be the same. it's his goodness that shows how human he really is. It's not a lack of humanity. His heart is full of humanity. He's just not in a constant state of despair. Not everybody is.
 
Good post. I've seen people say they had trouble relating to Superman but I never did. Superman is a character that has had doubts and flaws in different stories for years. I think the problem some people have is its not on the surface enough or that he's not extreme enough in his flaws or angst or whatever. But just becused he's well adjusted it doesn't mean he's not fallible in a human sense. Some people just can't seem to get past the exterior without the characters feelings magnified and thrown in their face. I think they says more about the people the the character. Sometimes you just have to be willing to pay attention and look last the surface. Superman's he's a relatable character to me for years. Long before MOS. I guess I'm just not jaded enough that I thought not every character had to be the same. it's his goodness that shows how human he really is. It's not a lack of humanity. His heart is full of humanity. He's just not in a constant state of despair. Not everybody is.

Thanks. I really think a lot of people have had limited exposure to the character, as such they have a very limited view of him.
 
Im gonna go out on a limb and guess that Mark Waid has a broader knowledge of Superman and his history than 99% of the posters on this board. Ignorance of the character has nothing to do with the issues that many intelligent, erudite Supes fans have found with MoS. You need to accept this fact.

That doesn't mean that all the criticisms are valid or fair. But the bottom line is that MoS will always be seen as a mixed bag by fans and critics and the GA. And a cash machine by the studio. Individual mileage will vary of course.
 
I'm really going to have to go back and watch this movie again. I was thoroughly displeased after my first viewing but the more I read the more I wonder if I missed some things that would've enhanced my enjoyment of it. I still stand by the fact that it felt cold, heartless, and wasn't fun in the slightest but I'll hold off on bashing the film further until I can see it agian.


Not at all. I'm from the city though so maybe it's just because I wasn't raised in the rural areas, but most people I know don't even have an accent. Granted we say things like 'yall' but for the most part you wouldn't be able to tell where I was from by where I talk.

I know...I was just messin'. It was the only Alabama reference I could think of. :D
 
The fact is that people that loved this movie and consider it a (near)masterpiece are desperate for validation. Its the only explanation for the tedious, endless rationalizations and straw man arguments (see list above) and assumptions about the motivations of those who dare to have a different opinion.

I think much of the criticism has been exagerated no doubt. And some of those who are most disappointed in the movie have based their disappointment on the fact that the character and movie has fulfilled their vision of where the property should go. Its fair to point this out. But many of you are going waaaaay beyond this. Its pathetic.
 
My take:

1. How did the suit get on the 20,000 year-old ship? Did Jor-El's hologram print it out or something? Makes no sense, man!
Jor-EL referenced Krypton's ancestry numerous times in Man of Steel and was a scientific warrior who longed for the days Krypton looked to the stars to inhabit the beauty and elseworlds of the galaxy to explore Krypton's place in its own society.

Expanding Krypton's lifespan in living art-forms in their galaxy and working in tandem with other inhabited resources sculpted Krypton to be light-years ahead of its time.

It wasn't until later on in their existence that Krypton's fate became severely in danger of not only the politicians in power of the Kryptonian Council, but the shutdown of the outposts itself that ultimately would be the wrong-doing to the core of Krypton's architecture.

Jor-EL chose the scientific symbol of hope from the planets ancestors and passed that along to Kal aboard the mothership/Fortress (the suit also could of been Jor-EL's alternate formal-wear on Krypton.)

You see different guilds and the Kryptonian-wear that each guild employs and what symbols represents their place within Kryptonian society.

The EL family was the symbol of hope from Krypton ancestry and Jor sent along a suit aboard the Fortress to represent EL, or HOPE on Earth.
2. Why did Zod take Lois in the ship, he already had Kal-El? Stupid!
At that point, Lois was the only one at that moment (thanks to Woodburn) that knew of Superman's secret identity and had a face to face altercation with Clark himself.

Onboard Zod's ship in the conscious chamber with Kal, Zod asks Clark where the codex is located, so there was still no telling if Zod could break inside and interrogate Superman's mind.

His attempt at controlling the environment was to make Kal mentally break down and tell him where Clark's pod was located but Superman never told, claiming he'd never be apart of this and pleaded and begged Zod before sinking into a pit of skulls.

Inside Clarks conscious led them to the Kent farm, but not the whereabouts of the pod itself.

As for Lois, as I said before, she was the only one known to have tracked down Clark himself and been on the ins with, so they looked into her mind to see if Kal would of somehow told her where the codex was located.

Lois's conscious too, led them to the Kent farm from her interaction with Ma.

3. Why not just read Ma Kent's mind instead of choking her? DUH!
No need. They knew Clark's pod was located within the whereabouts of the Kent farm, but there was no time to waste to bring Ma upon the ship and look inside her mind. They, instead, used fear and force as an immediate tactic, and it worked when Ma hinted towards the barn.

4. Why didn't the Kryptonians evacuate the planet when Jor-El told them to?! They have spaceships, just fly away!
These were the same people that were too blind to realize the fate of Krypton's destruction. Jor-EL debated with them for a long period of time to evacuate immediately beforehand, but the council REFUSED to believe his requests and findings and denied him several times.

The woman councilor, even in the midst of chaos, was appalled and questioned Jor-EL's concern to evacuate the entire planet.

Jor-EL proceeded to tell them that they acted too late and Krypton was ALREADY dead, which led us to the codex to receive permission to look to the stars and find a home for Krypton to live again.

It was TOO late to "just fly away." Thanks to the council, that ship sailed a long, long time ago, which worked in tandem in Zod's disdain of an evil takeover to overthrow the council to begin with.

5. Why didn't Kal-El lead Zod away from Metropolis? He did that in Superman 2, so why not do it again?

What would have this accomplished? The stakes were high in this battle and the intensity of the fate of the world didn't call for this. They zipped around different cities and Supes even lead the brawl into space before burning back through Earth's atmosphere and into Metropolis.

Besides, Superman was on the defensive the whole fight, not the offensive. He was trying to stop Zod from making "the people he adopted" suffer.

Supes was in no position to lead the battle anywhere because wherever he would have takin Zod, Zod would still have the same intention to KILL as many people at all costs.

In Superman II, Zod wanted to rule the Earth and have Superman kneel before him. In this sequence, Zod had nothing. Had no people. His sole purpose after Supes defeated his plan was to make Superman mourn everybody around him, regardless or where they were and Zod wasn't going to stop until he killed every last one of us.


6. He could have just flown straight up though and took him out of Metropolis, right? So stupid yall!
Again, it's not only about Metropolis at this point. It was about humanity. Zod's intention was to set out and kill as many people on Earth as possible and let Superman mourn them, regardless of their whereabouts. Superman simply had to STOP him, and with a being of equal power with evil intentions, Supes was forced to do what he did and he certainly DIDN'T want to. He couldn't control Zod and was in a bigtime struggle to tame him.
8. Why Terraform Earth? Zod could have found another place, come on!
Zod traveled an ocean of stars to locate Kal-EL on Earth and retrieve the codex. There was simply NO reason for Zod to look elsewhere. Zod's plan was to find Kal-EL, retrieve the codex and settle on the world Jor-EL and Lara sent Kal.

There was a REASON Lara settled for Earth in Kal's journey through time and space and Earth's habitat and scientific structure fit the needs for Kal's survival. It only made sense for Zod to inherit Earth as his resting place.
9. Superman doesn't kill! Why did they make him do it?
He had no choice. He had no option. He couldn't contain Zod any longer and struggled to tame him. Zod is of equal power to Superman with evil intentions.

Though Supes was forced to make one of the heaviest decisions of his life, one he DIDN'T want commit, he couldn't live with himself to see Zod disintegrate an innocent family in front of his eyes.

It was then Clark realized Zod wasn't going to be stopped. He knew he didn't have ANY other option to contain him. In order to save billions of other people in the wake, he HAD to off him and he was fearful making that decision and was in agony of what has become.

There is now a reason for the moral-code to exist in the first place.
10. Superman said he let his Dad die because people weren't ready? Crazy!
He trusted him. You got to make linear points dating back to other time periods in the movie. When Pa was talking to young Clark on his truck-bed, he told Clark how scared people were and said there's MORE at stake than just human lives. He said by Clark revealing himself to the world, that life would be questioned as what is the true meaning and point of being human. People are afraid of what they don't understand.

Pa was convinced that the world wasn't ready to see aliens walking amongst us and in turn, would create worldwide panic and damage Clark's progression of life.

Pa sacrificed himself so Clark would have the chance to choose when the time was right to reveal himself to the people and change the world, good character or bad.

THAT was the subtle message between father and son that people are CLEARLY missing. Makes me wonder if people even THINK about what their watching :whatever:
13. Wouldn't changing the atmosphere render the Kryptonians powerless? Why terraform then?
Powerless? Did you miss Zods last interaction with Jor-EL's consiouness? Jor-EL debated and pleaded with Zod one last time, claiming both society's can co-exist. Zod told Jor that he wasn't interested in SUFFERING on planet Earth's atmospherics like Kal did.

It wasn't about "powers." Zod was about ruling a New Krypton under his dictatorship and deeming those worthy to walk beside him under his military forces.
15. Why was Superman coughing on the ship? So dumb!
The same reason why he struggled to breath as a baby (as Ma explained.)

Baby Kal-EL had to adjust to Earth's atmospherics and shed Krypton's, in turn, struggling to breath and adapt, ala Kal coughing on the ship as his body was rejecting a lifetime of Earth atmospherics.

If you would have, you know, watched the movie, General Zod explained that Kal's cells were rejecting Krypton's genetics of the ships atmosphere and will take time for it to pass, which, in turn, gave Zod the time to tap into Kal's consciousness within the chamber.
16. Who suddenly rebuilt Metropolis??! Clark just walks into the Daily Planet and everything is suddenly normal?
Does absolutley EVERYTHING need to be spoon-fed? My lord.

Time has eclipsed from the time Supes offed Zod, to deciding on a new job, to go over trust issues with Swanwick and finally, getting a job at the planet.

The Government built a $12 million dollar space drum to specifically track down Superman's whereabouts or to find out "where he hung his cape" so time has obviously, passed.
18. How did Clark know about the ship in Antarctica?! Silly.
This was the entire point of searching the world Jonathan urged Clark to find out what the reason was as to why he was sent here. Clark held many jobs under different aliases and overheard Pentagon officials talking about an object trapped under a bed of Antarctic ice for thousands of years. It was only then where he knew where his next lead was that ultimately, led him to the Fortress.
19. Why did the Council send Zod to the Phantom Zone when the planet was about to be destroyed?
He was being tried for treason and murder. The council REFUSED to listen to Jor-EL's warnings and STILL proceeded to NOT act out amongst his request even after his murder committed by Zod.

Zod claimed that Jor-EL was right and the council was a pack of fools.

It's simple. The Kryptonian council was a bunch of useless naive' tools who abused their force of power for the Krypton they viewed worthy that was ultimately, a death wish. They were the downfall of Krypton's society.
20. Why did Superman lose his powers aboard Zod's ship ?
Once Kal's cells adapted to the Kryptonian atmosphere onboard Zod's pod, he became neutralized as one of them as if he were human on Earth..like us.

Jax-UR explained that his body was drained of Earth's yellow-sun radiation and his powers have been neutralized. This is when he took a sample of Kal's blood, which in turn later in the movie, was the focal point of finding out where the codex was located....living inside Clarks living cells.
I swear people lack comprehension skills. People with these questions seemed to completely view a different movie than I did because they simply just can't grasp the message Man of Steel tried to convey.

It's evident that most of the audience who didn't like this movie needs everything SPOON-FED to them like a child and refuses to use their brain to connect the details. That's why I love Man of Steel and I applaud Snyder and Goyer to making us pay attention!


 
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Man of Steel is a completely straight forward mainstream film. Its not hard to understand or overly complex or subtle. At all. Your average 12 year old has no trouble "getting" the film. You're embarrassing yourself by suggestion otherwise.

No more long lists people. Try and make your points in a paragraph or two. Its not that complicated.
 
People these days just like to take what they see at face value. Like you said, they need to be spoon fed the details...

This is no different when people were ****ing about Nolan not showing how Bruce got back to Gotham after escaping The Pit in TDKR.

He took a plane, genius.
 
hopeless. back to the (relatively sane) Marvel boards for me...
 
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