TMOS Review & Speculation Thread (Spoilers) - Part 3

[tomoe]

I can pinpoint exactly when the movie started to lose me, and that was the tornado scene. I think I actually missed a few scenes after that because I kept thinking back to how horrible and dumb that scene was. And then it lost me more when Superman barreled into Zod while leaving his mom with the other Kryptonians, topping it off with a truly reckless gas station explosion. That scene showed reckless Superman to me much more than the Metropolis fight with Zod. In Metropolis I didn't get the sense that he had much control over where the fight was going. In Smallville he had complete control over where he was going with Zod. It never really hooked me back in after that. Right up until the tornado scene I was really loving the movie. I also hated that Zod just had to spell out in so many words that Superman led him to Earth. That is one plothole I would have actually preferred-that Zod just happened to find Earth during his exploration. The way the movie is just makes Superman ultimately the cause of all the destruction and loss of lives, even though it really wasn't his fault as he had no way of knowing what he did would lead Zod to him.

 

[Smashlilman]

I can pinpoint exactly when the movie started to lose me, and that was the tornado scene. I think I actually missed a few scenes after that because I kept thinking back to how horrible and dumb that scene was. And then it lost me more when Superman barreled into Zod while leaving his mom with the other Kryptonians, topping it off with a truly reckless gas station explosion. That scene showed reckless Superman to me much more than the Metropolis fight with Zod. In Metropolis I didn't get the sense that he had much control over where the fight was going. In Smallville he had complete control over where he was going with Zod. It never really hooked me back in after that. Right up until the tornado scene I was really loving the movie. I also hated that Zod just had to spell out in so many words that Superman led him to Earth. That is one plothole I would have actually preferred-that Zod just happened to find Earth during his exploration. The way the movie is just makes Superman ultimately the cause of all the destruction and loss of lives, even though it really wasn't his fault as he had no way of knowing what he did would lead Zod to him.

Well the Krypontian came for the ship. Then superman took Zod and the kryptoian followed suit. What he did made sense. He lured the threat way from his mother. They wanted him and the codex not her.

 

[Project862006]

I can pinpoint exactly when the movie started to lose me, and that was the tornado scene. I think I actually missed a few scenes after that because I kept thinking back to how horrible and dumb that scene was. And then it lost me more when Superman barreled into Zod while leaving his mom with the other Kryptonians, topping it off with a truly reckless gas station explosion. That scene showed reckless Superman to me much more than the Metropolis fight with Zod. In Metropolis I didn't get the sense that he had much control over where the fight was going. In Smallville he had complete control over where he was going with Zod. It never really hooked me back in after that. Right up until the tornado scene I was really loving the movie. I also hated that Zod just had to spell out in so many words that Superman led him to Earth. That is one plothole I would have actually preferred-that Zod just happened to find Earth during his exploration. The way the movie is just makes Superman ultimately the cause of all the destruction and loss of lives, even though it really wasn't his fault as he had no way of knowing what he did would lead Zod to him.

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[BlueLantern]

Looking back at the film, the action scenes felt recycled. Not just from other films but within this film itself.

Superman flies off the Black-Zero and saves Lois. He bounds away. Zod threatens Martha and Superman cannonballs him off screen.

Superman fights Nam-Ek/Faora and gets punched away. He doesn't return. Faora flies head on for a fighter-jet and Superman cannonballs her off screen.

Superman fights Faora and flies her through buildings. Vice-versa. Superman fights Zod and flies him through buildings. Vice-versa.

Zod punches Superman away and off screen. He starts tearing **** up. Superman randomly appears from off-screen and punches him to a pulp.

Rinse and repeat. Not to mention Lois just magically appearing in places as if she's got super-speed herself. Secret twist? She's a Kryptonian too?

Furthermore, the Jor-El/H'raka scene reeks of the Obi-Wan/Boga scene from RotS. Nam-Ek going for a plane is the Hulk going crazy in the Avengers.

Originality isn't Goyer's mantra, I get it. But jesus, maybe just a little bit?

And yes, I think EVERYONE had an issue with the Joker being left up there with innocents.

 

[Xeno]

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batman leaves everyone at the party with joker and his goons

That was an awful scene for several reasons. Batman leaving Joker and his minions with the party guests was awful, yes, because he potentially sacrificed many lives to save just one. However, the hero is always expected to rescue the pseudo-girlfriend when she's in damsel mode, no matter what else is going on.

The worst thing about that, for me at least, was that Bats and Rachel survived falling off a skyscraper and slamming into that car. The laws of physics and the fragility of human bodies were ignored completely. Even if you assume that Batman's costume is armored in some way, the impact of suddenly hitting the car after a fall from that height should have killed or injured him. And Rachel should have been roadkill.

 

[Robin91939]

Not sure why people think product placement money attributes to box office gross. That goes to the marketing costs of the film, which easily topped $100 million.

the Walmart screening was 100% B.O. Tie-ins and contracts aren't.

No one's saying it goes to the box office. I'm saying that it offsets the cost of the film -- and gets it into the black a lot faster.

The total gross of the film -- through tie-ins, merchandising and DVD/BluRays ALL factor into the decision for a sequel. The tie-ins and product placement netted this film about $150 million dollars. That will help a LOT in the long run. Say the film makes $300+ million domestically at the box office. Say it makes about about $500+ million at the international box office (attainable numbers at this pace) the film will be green lit for a sequel, no doubt. But with an extra $150 million from sponsorships, and then you add merchandising and home video -- it could help pay for and let WB take a risk on a Flash or Wonderwoman-type film.

More money, by any means necessary, will help build the DC Cinematic Universe.

-R

 

[Destructus86]

I've been waiting a VERY long time for a Superman movie like this. The way Superman fights in the comics (and even animated series) is nothing like in the older films. This one really captures the feel of two super powered beings in a huge brawl. EXACTLY what I wanted to see!

 

[THANOSRULES]

^this

Saw the Film last night at the drive in, which of course is a problem with picture quality.

Really enjoyed the film. Was pretty much the Superman film I've been waiting for..well since forever.

It's not a perfect a film, but the action scenes and plot is incredibly entertaining.

I understand many people have problems with the science adding up, and this is a viable concern. It does not diminish the film for me , and in fact, it is still a very hardcore tribute to Superman's status as sci fi...yet delivering on a "pummeling" action film that really comes through. If I have one complaint, it's perhaps the movie takes itself very seriously, and humor ala Avengers is absent.

Go back and watch "Forbidden Planet" or any legendary Sci Fi and a lot of that stuff doesnt add up as well.

Go see the film, you will not regret it.

With the heavy Sci Fi...it is probably my 2nd favorite comic movie ever (for now), maybe just a touch behind "Avengers" because I enjoyed the humor in that.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

That was an awful scene for several reasons. Batman leaving Joker and his minions with the party guests was awful, yes, because he potentially sacrificed many lives to save just one. However, the hero is always expected to rescue the pseudo-girlfriend when she's in damsel mode, no matter what else is going on.

In Superman Returns, Superman left Lois and Jason to their fate because he had to rescue Metropolis first.

The worst thing about that, for me at least, was that Bats and Rachel survived falling off a skyscraper and slamming into that car. The laws of physics and the fragility of human bodies were ignored completely. Even if you assume that Batman's costume is armored in some way, the impact of suddenly hitting the car after a fall from that height should have killed or injured him. And Rachel should have been roadkill.

True.

 

[ZenTheAvenger]

I absolutely loved it. Everything I hoped for and more, the action scenes were incredible, I really felt the power of the Kryptonians and Supes.


Thought Cavill was outstanding as Superman and I also thought Shannon was brilliant, gave Zod great depth and I could feel and understand WHY he was doing what he was doing.

Brilliant and fun Superman film. 9/10

 

[tomoe]

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batman leaves everyone at the party with joker and his goons

What was he supposed to do... Let her die? . Seriously though I don't think it's really that comparable his mom wasnt facing as definite a doom as Rachel was. He was taking a big assumption that they would leave her alone when he barreled into Zod. To tell the truth I never thought about Batman leaving the partyers with a bunch of goons because it seemed perfectly understandable that he would go save Rachel, who was in more immediate danger of dying than the partyers. I also am a much bigger Superman fan than a Batman one so I am at the same time much more critical as well as more forgiving of a Superman movie than a Batman one. If this was any other comic character I would not be as critical, maybe even not notice stuff like this because I'm just not as invested in their movies.

 

[Tony Stark]

This movie was not good at all. It starts off with Jor-El riding a ****ing Avatar dragon. Holy **** was that stupid and pointless. No one also cares Snyder that a alien monster is roaring at the sky when Kal-El was born. Jesus Christ this movie lacked subtlety. Clark is sinking in the ocean after saving nubs...WHY IS THERE A ****ing WHALE AND A BABY WHALE? Here are the highlights of awful:

Lois wearing jeggings in -40 sub arctic temperatures and climbing on the side of an ice cliff?

The entire destruction of Metropolis where Clark and Lois kiss on the ashes of millions dead.

The over the top-ness of everything. I never thought I would think Superman Returns was actually a better movie. What does gravity have to do with terraforming the atmosphere and who designed a drymounting machine that makes you have to be on opposite sides of the world? Why did Superman fly all the way to drymounting Brazil when he was right there next to the main machine that powers the terraforming machine?

This movie was disjointed and felt like a fat kid seeing boobs for the first time. The script was not good. It had no flow and everything was going back and forth. The flashbacks had no connection to what was going on it was stupid. He sees a short bus so he remembers that time he saved the kids on the short bus? Genius story telling.

Amy Adams sucked.

No one gives a crap about any of the Bugle cast.

Millions and millions of people die.

Superman kills Zod when all he had to do was idk...turn his body slightly?

Shaky cam is also awful.

We don't need to see Krypton at all. Give that story during the intro credits. Snyder spent 1/5 of the movie investing us into characters that don't matter. Clark's childhood however is very important and you need to really show the interactions between him and the Kents. This movie could have really used a scene where Clark was sitting at the dinner table with Ma and Pa Kent. All of their interactions felt rushed and glossed over. I should have known this movie was in trouble when Jor-El was riding a dragon within 10 or so minutes. There was just hardly no emotional investment into most of these characters and them being in mortal danger meant nothing to me because all of that time was wasted on exposition. Superman was also never really in mortal danger. I don't think he ever got a scratch or tore a piece of his suit.

There were friggin explosions when Zod and Superman were flying through buildings.


What was good? The costumes. Pa Kent's death. Some of the action when it wasn't over the top stupid. Some of the visuals. Zod and Faora. Henry Cavill is a good actor and has a lot of emotion in his face. He's also devishly handsome and not submissive looking like Brandon Routh.

Movie felt like too many people had their hands in the pot because it lacks vision and control. That seems like an obvious Snyder fault but I think Goyer fugged up the script a lot too. It also felt like it sort of lacked some of the Snyder flair as there wasn't a single slow motion shot when that could have been awesome.

2/4

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I agree with most of what you wrote, but I did like Amy Adams. Any shortcomings are from the script. "Where am I supposed to tinkle?" Seriously WTF Goyer? Who on earth says "tinkle" anymore?

This movie was a good idea messed up by sloppy hand held camera work and a script that would have been better written by a 3rd grader.

 

[Kane52630]

Man of Steel (IMAX 3D)

A damn incredible film, my man Zack has done it again and thankfully he rebounded after Sucker Punch. If DC wants to build on their cinematic universe, this is the movie to do it on. Loved the scenes with Krypton as the opener and Russell Crowe as Jor El is one of the few who stole the show. Cavill as Superman was near perfect in my eyes. Another show stealer was both Shannon as Zod and Traue as Faora. Faora kicking ass was incredible. The action was non stop and that's what I wanted out of Superman for years. If there's any complaints I would say that the pace wasn't as good as I hoped but I have the feeling it'll be a lot better once the directors cut show up. Also, don't bother watching this in either IMAX or 3D, the IMAX doesn't show the entire screen and the 3D was barely there, except for the space scenes.
9/10

 

[Afrokin]

so um...where did kid clark get the imagery to pose like that?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

so um...where did kid clark get the imagery to pose like that?

Where did the comic artists get the imagery for Superman to pose like that?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I agree with most of what you wrote, but I did like Amy Adams. Any shortcomings are from the script. "Where am I supposed to tinkle?" Seriously WTF Goyer? Who on earth says "tinkle" anymore?

This movie was a good idea messed up by sloppy hand held camera work and a script that would have been better written by a 3rd grader.

That was one of the worst lines. It felt like Amy Adams from Enchanted or something :P

 

[chaseter]

huh

But yes...Daily Planet...not DAS BUGLE.

 

[Amelia Pond]

That was one of the worst lines. It felt like Amy Adams from Enchanted or something :P

I loved it. Lois Lane used the male tendency to underestimate women by playing into the wilting damsel stereotype. She wanted the military to believe she was too sweet and dainty to be a concern. I thought it was brilliant.

 

[StarvingArtist]

I really find it very interesting how two people can watch this movie and have completely opposite reactions to it. Some people loved the over the top action and thought the plot was moving. Others thought it was all way overblown, that the plot was stupid, and that there was zero character development.

No offense to anyone who loved it, power to you. But I just don't understand how anyone could watch this film and say it was a good movie. Maybe expectations for film quality have been so lowered that people will like anything even if its crap. Truly fascinating.

 

[StarvingArtist]

I loved it. Lois Lane used the male tendency to underestimate women by playing into the wilting damsel stereotype. She wanted the military to believe she was too sweet and dainty to be a concern. I thought it was brilliant.

I think you may be inserting your own brilliance into that scene.

 

[Amelia Pond]

I think you may be inserting your own brilliance into that scene.

Actually, no. It was really obvious. So obvious, in fact, I'm kind of shocked that the message didn't get through to you right away. It's not even a subtle thing. It's probably one of the most common Lois Lane tropes in the canon. For heaven's sake, it's iconic Clark Kent's modus operandi when it comes to getting people to underestimate him. It's simple: pretend you're a greenhorn and people won't pay you any mind.

 

[StarvingArtist]

Actually, no. It was really obvious. So obvious, in fact, I'm kind of shocked that the message didn't get through to you right away. It's not even a subtle thing. It's probably one of the most common Lois Lane tropes in the canon. For heaven's sake, it's iconic Clark Kent's modus operandi when it comes to getting people to underestimate him. It's simple: pretend you're a greenhorn and people won't pay you any mind.

Meh, maybe you're right. Fair enough.

 

[Autonet]

Meh, maybe you're right. Fair enough.

Nah it's kind of a stretch. She already proved she isn't to be messed with the scene before, why do a 180? I think it's just Goyer being Goyer.

 

[StarvingArtist]

My issues with the movie go far beyond that scene, I don't really care enough about it either way.

I also took issue with the design decision of having the vehicle of choice for transporting criminals to the Phantom Zone Ship Tentacle Monster Thing was via giant steel kryptonian space penis.

The whole audience was like, "wtf....flying d*cks?"

 

[Superwoman Prime]

My issues with the movie go far beyond that scene, I don't really care enough about it either way.

I also took issue with the design decision of having the vehicle of choice for transporting criminals to the Phantom Zone Ship Tentacle Monster Thing was via giant steel kryptonian space penis.

The whole audience was like, "wtf....flying d*cks?"

There must have been a gas leak in your theater, then, because you're the first person I've heard or read to make that bizarre comparison. Tentacles were around before hentai, you know.