Tom Welling as Superman

[Lighthouse]

It wasn't The Fog. He and the director didn't even meet until the winter, and The Fog was nowhere near being greenlit in August, never mind having a director attached or a script written. It wasn't The Fog.

Really? What was it for then?

 

[AgentPat]

I'm so sick of all of this. Maybe Gough is not the bad guy in this JLA scenario but does it p**s anybody else off that Gough said Clark will be taking "falling lessons?" I can't even begin to speak about how irritated that makes me!!!!!!!

Don't get me started. I'm finding it very hard to be excited about SV after that diarrhea out of Gough's mouth this morning. Without a doubt, it was the most horrendous interview I've ever read from him. Shut. UP. Al! Just f***** shut UP!

 

[TWistim]

Don't get me started. I'm finding it very hard to be excited about SV after that diarrhea out of Gough's mouth this morning. Without a doubt, it was the most horrendous interview I've ever read from him. Shut. UP. Al! Just f***** shut UP!

Yeah, I'm hearing ya. Is he ******ed or what??? UNBELIEVABLE!

 

[AgentPat]

Nov 18th.... I don't care.... as long as it could be something concrete.....

If Welling is announced, the waiting will have been worth it. But another MONTH of *this* rollercoaster? I'm gonna shoot somebody if this nonsense continues, and my cross hairs are on Al Gough right now, so everybody else is safe. For the moment.

Really? What was it for then?

That's the big question. Nobody knows. It was NOT The Fog, and it wasn't the CBTD sequel either. Both of those films happened much much later in time. The proximity in dates to all of the other rumors at the time however - Welling being involved with SR - made Welling's words that much more eye-opening. He said that stuff four days after the S5 rumors, and two days after other "insiders" were saying Welling indeed signed something. Something was CLEARLY going on, but nobody knows EXACTLY what happened between the time rumors said Welling would be in the film to Routh being formally announced.

And here we are, aye-freakin'-gain. It's like some cruel joke being perpetrated by... somebody. "Hey, it worked three years ago. Lets do it again!" Gah!

 

[avidreader]

Maybe Gough is not the bad guy in this JLA scenario but does it p**s anybody else off that Gough said Clark will be taking "falling lessons?" I can't even begin to speak about how irritated that makes me!!!!!!!

Actually no.

I thought it was rather funny, and it's exactly the scenario I imagined when we'd first start seeing Clark try to fly. I would never have expected him to just up, up and away.

 

[Showtime]

BTW... Jayne just posted over at IESB. Damn. This is just... unbelievable.

I could have told you Wizard World was a possibility...and I supposedly have no connections...

This is it!
No This is it!
Hold on to your hats!
Grab your stockings!
This Friday!
Next Friday!
Thanksgiving!

 

[TWistim]

Actually no.

I thought it was rather funny, and it's exactly the scenario I imagined when we'd first start seeing Clark try to fly. I would never have expected him to just up, up and away.

I don't want to see him try and fail, try and fail and stall until the end of the show. There's too many who will have a field day with this one. They've already said that once he flies the show is over, which I don't understand the thinking behind that one, but if they push eight seasons it doesn't sound good to me. I hope you are right and it's not something that emasculates Clark or makes him look stupid for laughs.

 

[AgentPat]

I could have told you Wizard World was a possibility...and I supposedly have no connections...

This is it!
No This is it!
Hold on to your hats!
Grab your stockings!
This Friday!
Next Friday!
Thanksgiving!

Perhaps you missed this comment from Sanchez?

Regarding Countingdown.com's source, I have talked to her and I am pretty confident that her sources are solid.

It's become rather annoying to me to see Jayne continually bashed in passive aggressive ways. If you have a source, e-mail Sanchez and compare notes. If you'd rather not, that's fine too. But don't bash somebody who may indeed be VERY connected despite their personal bias. If you trust Sanchez, trust that he apparently trusts Jayne's sources too and has gone on record saying her sources are "solid."

My exacerbation over the big picture here is the possibility that we may have to wait till Nov 18th for something official, not the change in "story" itself. If there's one thing I've learned about this business it's that things change on a dime. What's set in stone today could be dynamited tomorrow.

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Wizard World eh. I guess it does make sense to announce everything there & bring the whole cast & director with them & this will also give them more time to iron out the rest of the cast.

 

[KBX]

AgentPat.... chill out a little bit.... all it not lost.... I know you have some intense hatred for Gough but remember he is the man that help made Smallville what it is......

There is a new episode of Smallville tonight!!!!

Nov 18th it is......

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I don't want to see him try and fail, try and fail and stall until the end of the show. There's too many who will have a field day with this one

I cant wait to make the back & fourth gif t:

 

[TWistim]

Hmmmm . . . Maybe I should rethink going to Wizard World?

 

[Whiteflag]

Don't get me started. I'm finding it very hard to be excited about SV after that diarrhea out of Gough's mouth this morning. Without a doubt, it was the most horrendous interview I've ever read from him. Shut. UP. Al! Just f***** shut UP!

Yes, it was difficult for him to top his other horrendous interviews but he managed to accomplish that with this one!

I don't want to see him try and fail, try and fail and stall until the end of the show. There's too many who will have a field day with this one. They've already said that once he flies the show is over, which I don't understand the thinking behind that one, but if they push eight seasons it doesn't sound good to me. I hope you are right and it's not something that emasculates Clark or makes him look stupid for laughs.

Word!!!

 

[bootspark]

My Thoughts and Fellings And Replys

1)Respones to Goughs Answers to TV Guide

"Al Gough: Yes, we are sticking with that policy as far as Clark is concerned. (Obviously Bizarro can fly as well as Kara.) But following up on what Chloe said about his lack of flying in the season premiere ("Clark, you need to get on that"), Kara will be giving him "flying lessons" later in the season. Although with Clark, they end up being more like "falling lessons."

So, its NOT a budget issue anymore since Bizarro and Kara can fly? I still hate that Kara is teaching him to fly. Why cant he learn on his own? And he HAS flown in the past.

"Gough: I am glad you are hooked; that way, when I don't give you any new information, you will keep watching. Mwhahahaaha! Here's what I can say: You'll see Martian Manhunter, Supergirl, Bizarro, and the return of Brainiac and the Green Arrow... as well as a future hero to be named later!

Are you trying to be a smartass? Future hero? Who could that be?

"Gough: That, unfortunately, isn't how Hollywood works. You will see a brand-spanking-new group of actors donning the tights for that film. I heard it is under the direction of George (Mad Max) Miller, so I am personally very excited to see it."

So, first you dont know anything about the film. Now you say its going to be a new group of actors donning the tights. I notice you didnt mention Welling's name. You "heard" George Miller is directing? Mr. Miller, your poker face sucks!

"Gough: .....There may also be someone on the show who is currently on Lex's side and we don't know it yet. (Kids, fire up the TiVos and put on those thinking caps!)

Who could that be?

"Gough: You also know that Lex will become evil, that Clark becomes Superman, and that the two will be mortal enemies, yet you've been watching for seven seasons! The fact is, Clark loves Lana, and that is one of the central relationships of the show. She is that crucial first relationship that helps define him and his future relationships with women. The fact that he screws it up so badly, no matter how hard he tries, is one of the reasons he ends up with Lois. Remember, my young Padawan, our story is the journey, not the conclusion."

Clark screws it up? Do you know anything about the comics? Clark choses to leave, cause he knows he cant be Superman and be with her at the same time.

"Gough: Clark's journey this season revolves around his struggle between his Kryptonian heritage and his earthly upbringing, and dealing with his cousin — which ain't easy! Kara will give him an insight into his family (which is seriously screwed up) and his birth planet (which went boom, so there was something seriously screwed up there as well). He will grapple with his past and his future. And now that Lana is back, will he finally realize that this relationship, no matter how hard he tries, is ultimately doomed."

His family is screwed up? SHUT UP NOW!

I cant take this anymore.

2) On a lighter note, check out these old interview clips with Welling, Rosenbaum, and Kruek. I think these are from Season 3.

http://us.video.aol.com/player/launcher?ar=us_en_video_748x541_full&mode=1&pmmsid=1113331

This proves that Welling LOVES the character of Superman.

http://us.video.aol.com/player/launcher?ar=us_en_video_748x541_full&mode=1&pmmsid=1113336

Rosey is very funny.

Ok, sorry this was so long. Ill get off my soapbox now.

Ill now give the mic to Pat.

 

[AgentPat]

Actually no.

I thought it was rather funny, and it's exactly the scenario I imagined when we'd first start seeing Clark try to fly. I would never have expected him to just up, up and away.

Everybody walks away from a series of statements having placed different emphasis on the points they feel are important. Clark falling during his initial attempts to fly sound like it will be a riot. I've got no problem with that at all - I think it'll be funny, endearing, and very memorable. How could it not? Remember him looking into the women's locker room? Remember the popcorn? The scarecrow? The BARN DOOR!? But like every other power Clark has discovered, he has it mastered by the episode's end. It plays into the plot in some way and it's not done just for laughs.

So here we have Gough saying they're sticking with the no flights policy as far as Clark is concerned. He'll try to fly, but ultimately fail. But Gough doesn't have any problem with Kara and MM fling, not to mention the whole concept of how cute it's going to be to see Supergirl give Superman flying lessons but have it turn out to be "falling lessons" instead. Golly, I can't wait.

I think Gough's an idiot for making some *really* stupid comments w/o thinking first. I believe the success of SV has more to do with its heartwarming cast and the Superman mythos than it does some of the asinine decisions Gough has made. But just to be clear, I don't hate Gough. I don't know the man. I do however LOATHE some of the comments he's made. He comes off sounding completely clueless sometimes.

^ And that's JUST about the flying paragraph. I am TOTALLY staying mum on the other stuff.

 

[TheLongestDay]

november 18th?...no....nooo...i cant be....it wont be....AHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA...


...(ive officially lost my mind)

 

[AgentPat]

november 18th?...no....nooo...i cant be....it wont be....AHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA...

...(ive officially lost my mind)

Muuhawhawhaw!!! Join me, one and all.

<-

 

[avidreader]

So here we have Gough saying they're sticking with the no flights policy as far as Clark is concerned.

Which implies to me, that they are keeping Clark grounded because that's one of the last steps he'll take before he dons the red, yellow and blue.

He'll try to fly, but ultimately fail.

He wont ultimately fail, because in the end he does fly. It's just going to take alot of practice. Seeing him do this is better than not seeing him even try. In my opinion any way.

But Gough doesn't have any problem with Kara and MM fling,

Because the show isnt about them learning to be Superheroes. Its about Clark Kent. Who cares if they can fly or not?

not to mention the whole concept of how cute it's going to be to see Supergirl give Superman flying lessons but have it turn out to be "falling lessons" instead. Golly, I can't wait.

Did he say it would be cute? I'm betting that secretly you think it will be cute.

Actually, I dont see the problem in her giving him a few pointers. After all, she can fly. Its not like she's going to be holding his hand when they take off, and then she gradually lets go. Well it might be, but I seriously doubt it. MM cant show him, because his physique is different.

I think Gough's an idiot for making some *really* stupid comments w/o thinking first.

And he's been doing it for six seasons, coming on seven.

I believe the success of SV has more to do with its heartwarming cast and the Superman mythos than it does some of the asinine decisions Gough has made.

True, that's what I love about the show. By asinine I presume you mean some of their more wilder plots and new character introductions, however it may not have lasted as long as it has if those elements hadnt been introduced.

But just to be clear, I don't hate Gough. I don't know the man. I do however LOATHE some of the comments he's made. He comes off sounding completely clueless sometimes.

I dont think he's clueless, I think he thinks he's being funny. Someone should tell him that his sense of humour is completely lacking.

He tries not to give ANYTHING away, and ends up sounding like a moron in his attempts to be evasive.

I also see this first lesson that Jor-el has handed him as a test to see whether he can lead the world by example. If he succeeds in teaching Kara by his lead, then he'll be ready to take the next step up, city by city, country by country.

 

[AgentPat]

^ I disagree with a LOT here, but that's okay. I don't want to argue it anymore. It's not worth it, and people don't want to read it anyway.

Yes yes, he's Superman. He'll wear the suit and fly when he's 30. Okay, moving on.



Somebody brought up an interesting theory over at IESB, and there may be more to it than the poster even realizes.

The understanding has always been that G&M would need to know by November at the latest if the show was going to be renewed for another year. They need to know in order to start the launch sequence or not. Everything up to that point is technically "filler."

Now what if Warner Features has two actors signed for the Superman role in JL. One is the primary (Welling), and a second (?) is the back-up actor who would step in if the primary couldn't. Speculation about such a situation actually started back in Singer's day when Warners supposedly had Caviezel signed as a fall back for SR, and Welling was a verbal tertiary. Reference the MTV comments.

Okay, so the argument for not killing SV has always been money. Hello? The show makes MILLIONS of dollars for Warners every year. What if the November announcement for JL is linked to CW's verbal to G&M, because IF CW pays for an eighth season of SV, that's more coin in Warners coffers, so they would just go with the fall back actor - whoever that may be - who's signed to take the role if Welling can't?

Is that too way out there? I'm thinking dollars and cents here at the end of the day, which is what Warners would be thinking. Remember, options. They always want options.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

hell come November there may be no one around to write the "launch sequence" so Tom may have more free time than he bargained for Wouldnt that be irony...

 

[AgentPat]

hell come November there may be no one around to write the "launch sequence" so Tom may have more free time than he bargained for Wouldnt that be irony...

LOL! Yes, it would be. But I'm thinking that sequence is already written. They've known for YEARS how they want to end the show; they just never know when it'll be because they keep freakin' getting renewed LOLOL!!!

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Okay, so the argument for not killing SV has always been money. Hello? The show makes MILLIONS of dollars for Warners every year.

They can always kill Smallville & then bring in a Supergirl Series with her in the tights & all in Metropolis

 

[Showtime]

Perhaps you missed this comment from Sanchez? It's become rather annoying to me to see Jayne continually bashed in passive aggressive ways. If you have a source, e-mail Sanchez and compare notes. If you'd rather not, that's fine too. But don't bash somebody who may indeed be VERY connected despite their personal bias. If you trust Sanchez, trust that he apparently trusts Jayne's sources too and has gone on record saying her sources are "solid."

I've known of Jayne's posts long before she was popular around these here parts. She's not "new". I gave a stamp of approval for some of the stuff she reported long before anybody else, but she isn't 100% and I don't understand why I have to act like she is? I've never called her names or made it personal like some of these wise guys. I don't go on Countingdown and call her out and trash her. There is nothing passive about what I write, I just focus on what I am disagreeing with the person about.

"Countingdown doesn't need a savior, and neither does Jayne."

Her telling us they are going to wait until Wizard World to make an announcement after telling us every week there is going to be an announcement is not exactly breaking news. Anybody could have pointed to Wizard World as the place for a big announcement.

Even MuscleforSupes.

I didn't say I had a source on any of this Welling information, I was being sarcastic.

Nothing against you Patty, I repsect what you do around here. I respect this forum when I am floating around. I just don't agree with you on the subject of Jayne, but notice we aren't debating about Welling becoming Superman in JLA, we are just debating about the rumors surrounding it.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL! Yes, it would be. But I'm thinking that sequence is already written. They've known for YEARS how they want to end the show; they just never know when it'll be because they keep freakin' getting renewed LOLOL!!!

oh no doubt the big stuff is written and probably has been for at least 3 years now, but it would still need to be tied into the current continuity somehow and I dont know if I'd trust Millar and Gough to do that. Granted they wrote the Pilot but that's the easy one compared to the ending.

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

LOL! Yes, it would be. But I'm thinking that sequence is already written. They've known for YEARS how they want to end the show; they just never know when it'll be because they keep freakin' getting renewed LOLOL!!!

There needs to be an end at some point. Even ABC & the Lost creators both agreed on a time to give Lost a "proper" ending. Smallville is the next X-Files in terms of going on & on continuing for all of the wrong reasons.