Tom Welling as Superman

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ that and most of the "dissenters" were banned from their forums. Hence the reason places like SaveSuperman.com sprung up. You cant even say "Singerman" over there, thats how oversensitive they are, calling it "inflammatory" yet Smallville is allowed to be called every name in the book even by Neal Phoney err Bailey who actually writes for the Smallville magazine

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea alot of fan community/sites tend to get a bit crazy at times but from everything i seen/heard on smhp/bt they are mostly pro singer/pro routh sites were as hype is a mix and Steve's savesuperman site is more anti singer but pro any one who knows how superman is/should be. For me i am not much of a superman fan of the comics more a marvel fan in that department but for me singer dropped the ball pretty bad on alot of things in SR and i am glad the wb guys finally seen he was a mistake and want to get a much better film out this time around. Crossing my fingers when its announced soon who got the writing/director job they know what they are doing and give us fans a much better superman film and get out of the donnor/reeve/singer silver age stuff and bring us to modern 21st century superman.

 

[LL2K2]

A majority of the fans there are pro-routh and liked SR. The guy who runs the site does as well, so the outcome is quite obvious, and despite LL2K2's delusions, not even close to an unbiased poll.

It makes no difference if Steve Younis is pro-SR or not. The point is, the poll at the Homepage cannot be manipulated to favor one candidate. Only one vote is allowed per member. And right now, it just so happens that BR is the favorite.

That's why the USA Today poll is flawed. While it does indicate that you voted, it becomes null and void once you exit the Internet. Voters can simply log off, log on, and vote as many times as they want. Plus, there are only percentages to play with, not an actual number of votes.

Now, I ask you: is that a fair, unbiased poll?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

It makes no difference if Steve Younis is pro-SR or not. The point is, the poll at the Homepage cannot be manipulated to favor one candidate. Only one vote is allowed per member. And right now, it just so happens that BR is the favorite.

That's why the USA Today poll is flawed. While it does indicate that you voted, it becomes null and void once you exit the Internet. Voters can simply log off, log on, and vote as many times as they want. Plus, there are only percentages to play with, not an actual number of votes.

Now, I ask you: is that a fair, unbiased poll?

This is almost comical if it wasnt so sad. Keep telling yourself that a poll on a website that's geared towards one faction of a characters fandom with 500 votes is more statistically relevant than one on the website of the mostly widely circulated newspaper in the U.S. simply because you need to register to vote. LOL

there's a reason why you dont have to register on the USA Today site, and thats because they want to get as many votes as possible, and the vast majority of people wont take the time to register for a site simply to vote. If they cant just click, they'll move on. That's a fact of internet marketing. The number of people who vote multiple times from different computers is likely so small compared to the general population of people on that site, it'd be deemed statistically irrelevant. Not to mention, you probably have the same amount of fanatics on either side doing the same thing so the overall effect is likely negligible. But keeping making up excuses. Your camp is getting a lot of practice with that.

 

[triplet]

It makes no difference if Steve Younis is pro-SR or not. The point is, the poll at the Homepage cannot be manipulated to favor one candidate. Only one vote is allowed per member. And right now, it just so happens that BR is the favorite.

That's why the USA Today poll is flawed. While it does indicate that you voted, it becomes null and void once you exit the Internet. Voters can simply log off, log on, and vote as many times as they want. Plus, there are only percentages to play with, not an actual number of votes.

Now, I ask you: is that a fair, unbiased poll?

No online poll is statistically accurate, so this argument (on both sides, actually) is sorta dumb, vote manipulation or not.

They're simply not statistically accurate because the poll only shows the votes of people who are willing to vote and also have access to the poll site in question.

That said, to support what the others have said about the USA Today poll, that poll has a potentially much larger sample to go from since it is on the offiicial site a nationally distributed newspaper.

That, by itself, would make me believe that the USA Today poll is generally a better indication of the way most people in the general public feel.

The Superman Homepage poll is only available to the several thousand users of that site that also happen to be registered and willing to vote.

If only a strongly Pro-Singerman fanbase has access to even cast a vote in the SMHP poll to begin with, how can the results be unbiased?

 

[Gmanofsteel]

It makes no difference if Steve Younis is pro-SR or not. The point is, the poll at the Homepage cannot be manipulated to favor one candidate. Only one vote is allowed per member. And right now, it just so happens that BR is the favorite.

Steve Younis could alter the poll if he wanted.

Tell me that none of your BRB crowd made more than one SN via additional email addys to bump up the numbers . . . Put a poll on a site that is insanely pro-routh, and it is obvious the votes will lean to Routh. It is common sense.

That's why the USA Today poll is flawed. While it does indicate that you voted, it becomes null and void once you exit the Internet. Voters can simply log off, log on, and vote as many times as they want. Plus, there are only percentages to play with, not an actual number of votes.

Oh really? You can do that? I wouldn't know, I never deleted cookies in an attempt to vote more than once . . . .

Listen LL, We don't go jumping in your BRB clubhouse and say sarcastic comments, so please just go back to the BRB thread.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

That said, to support what the others have said about the USA Today poll, that poll has a potentially much larger sample to go from since it is on the offiicial site a nationally distributed newspaper.

That, by itself, would make me believe that the USA Today poll is generally a better indication of the way most people in the general public feel.

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html

Have you checked the poll recently? Dean Cain is in first place.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL where did that come from? No problem at all with Chris passing Tom but Deano?

 

[Mikelus]

^^ What is even funnier, Routh is dead last!

 

[Billy Batson]

^^ What is even funnier, Routh is dead last!

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

BTW dont know if all of you saw but I did set up a Welling "social group" on this site. Most all of you regulars did get invites, so check your bins. If not, and you want in, send me a PM.

 

[Webhead2006]

Wow didnt know dean knocked off tom from that usa poll.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

dean fans voted multiple times lol

I don't see why routh fans complain about welling fans cheating when clearly that's not the case.

 

[LL2K2]

Tell me that none of your BRB crowd made more than one SN via additional email addys to bump up the numbers . . . Put a poll on a site that is insanely pro-routh, and it is obvious the votes will lean to Routh. It is common sense.

So now you're accusing the Routh fans of cheating? The Homepage, as far as I know, does not allow multiple accounts.

True, Steve Younis may favor Brandon, as we've seen, but he focuses on all the character's media, from the serials to the 1950s series, from STM to L&C, and from Smallville to SR.

Listen LL, We don't go jumping in your BRB clubhouse and say sarcastic comments, so please just go back to the BRB thread.

So you're telling me I can't be vocal in my opposition? This is the place to do so, is it not? It's all a matter of opinion. And if you look back to the beginning of this thread, you'll see that what I believed back in 2004 is not the same as in 2008.

And I most certainly do not tell you to "go back to the TW4S thread" when you post stuff elsewhere. So don't tell me I can't express my opinion here.

I'm done.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

So now you're accusing the Routh fans of cheating? The Homepage, as far as I know, does not allow multiple accounts.

Passionate fans will do anything to win a poll. Idk if the statistics can be altered or not, just suggesting that it is very possible.

And I most certainly do not tell you to "go back to the TW4S thread" when you post stuff elsewhere. So don't tell me I can't express my opinion here.

I'm done.

Don't make this about your right to free speech, you know its not about that. It is about common courtesy and respect. We don't raid the BRB thread with unwelcomed opinions, and you guys do the same. I thought that was ovious to all, but I guess not.

I assume my anti-routh opinion is more than welcome to be said at the BRB thread? I doubt you'd like that. I'd be accused of trolling and probably get banned if I persisted. The point being, We'll stay in our "club house" and say our opinions and you can stay in yours and say what you want, everyone's happy. Personally, I think if you continue to post in this thread with negative comments and calling people out, then you're trolling.

I don't think it is that unreasonable, do you?

 

[Webhead2006]

It doesnt really matter with routh name in any polls for next superman. Its pretty clear with robinov's comments singer/routh's film didnt do what the company wants and they are going in a new and completely different direction. Which i am happy, hopefully when they announce soon who got the director/writing gigs they are the right suited people for the job. As for singer/routh they would not give the project back to the folks that they said made a failed project.

 

[zerohour films]

This interview with Erica Durance may give us an indication of how Tom Welling feels about playing Superman:

What about the big question -- when we're going to see Clark don the cape, etc.? Durance laughs. "I do ask Tom on a regular basis when he's going to wear tights, and he just walks away."

LINK: http://channels.isp.netscape.com/celebrity/celebgossip.jsp?feature=ce_cel_09102008

That mixed with what Allison Mack said at Comic Con about the 'no tights' policy being more Tom's rule than AL/Miles.

So all of the polls in the world may not make too big of a difference in what he would actually want or choose to do.

We may not know the truth until the series finale of Smallville if he will don the red and blues or not even for a brief moment.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

LINK: http://channels.isp.netscape.com/celebrity/celebgossip.jsp?feature=ce_cel_09102008

Even so, Durance notes that they've already shot scenes foreshadowing the famous romance between Lois and Superman. "Each, in their own turn, realizes how they feel. It's really fun." In the past, she says, "I realized, 'Okay, I'm going to be on the periphery -- but in the end, I'm going to win, naner, naner."

I think Kryptonsite just exploded.....LOL

That mixed with what Allison Mack said at Comic Con about the 'no tights' policy being more Tom's rule than AL/Miles.

So all of the polls in the world may not make too big of a difference in what he would actually want or choose to do.

We may not know the truth until the series finale of Smallville if he will don the red and blues or not even for a brief moment.

Not sure. I wouldnt read too much into other's comments on the situation. In a show where the endpoint is predestined they've got to keep some things shrouded in mystery. I dont think you're going to get anyone to give away what would be the penultimate moment of the series. Although the thing about "No Tights" being Tom's rule doesnt make much sense as Al & Miles have been saying it from Day 1.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

Is it possible that al & miles wanted to give him the tights on a regular basis and since that's not the purpose of SV, Tom refused?

 

[zerohour films]

I think Kryptonsite just exploded.....LOL

HaHa

Not sure. I wouldnt read too much into other's comments on the situation. In a show where the endpoint is predestined they've got to keep some things shrouded in mystery. I dont think you're going to get anyone to give away what would be the penultimate moment of the series. Although the thing about "No Tights" being Tom's rule doesnt make much sense as Al & Miles have been saying it from Day 1.

I don't know if it really screams keeping it shrouded in mystery to me. I think if they were going that route they would have be a little more coy/playful with their answers.

Wasn't he reluctant to take the role at first, maybe he was afraid it would get to the point of wearing the suit one day and Al/Miles reinforced their policy to reassure him.

Who knows really what is going on or how he feels about it.

I honestly think that the movies are going to continue in their own direction with their own actor and that we may get a very brief glimpse (possibly just a shirt rip) of TW in the suit at the end.

I will hope for more though----because I think with their cinematography they could give us some very memorable images of Superman's first moments even on a TV show's budget.

 

[spark627]

Ok, this pic needs to be maniped asap

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[AgentPat]

I see these same arguments everywhere I go. *sigh*

Clearly, TW does not want to wear tights... ON SMALLVILLE. He's made that clear in interviews, and people close to him (castmates, crew, etc.) would know that. Some of his friends have short memories however (I'm looking at you, Allison), because the "no tights, no flights" rule was SOLELY G&M's concept from the very beginning, LONG before they ever heard of a dude named Tom Welling. There's copious articles to back that up. Do a Google search folks, read the compendiums; the truth is out there.

The show isn't about a grown-up Superman. TW did NOT sign up for that, and he's said in interviews he'd never allow it. This is where the contract stipulation comes in. Having the no tights contract clause is reassuance that the show will always be about Clark Kent. Because once the tights appear, you can count the seconds to the ending credits; that's it, game over.

Now, this stuff ^ is applicable to SMALLVILLE only! Only thing he's ever said about a Superman FILM is that he wouldn't want to do a remake. (Humorous considering the SR requel.) Nobody here knows how Welling feels about playing Superman in a new film. NOBODY! Furthermore, you can't take statements he's made about wearing a skin-tight OW-fit on a television show and extrapolate them into an "ixnay" on a multi-billion dollar film franchise. C'mon people.



Is it Thursday yet?

 

[zerohour films]

I see these same arguments everywhere I go. *sigh*

Clearly, TW does not want to wear tights... ON SMALLVILLE. He's made that clear in interviews, and people close to him (castmates, crew, etc.) would know that. Some of his friends have short memories however (I'm looking at you, Allison), because the "no tights, no flights" rule was SOLELY G&M's concept from the very beginning, LONG before they ever heard of a dude named Tom Welling. There's copious articles to back that up. Do a Google search folks, read the compendiums; the truth is out there.

The show isn't about a grown-up Superman. TW did NOT sign up for that, and he's said in interviews he'd never allow it. This is where the contract stipulation comes in. Having the no tights contract clause is reassuance that the show will always be about Clark Kent. Because once the tights appear, you can count the seconds to the ending credits; that's it, game over.

Now, this stuff ^ is applicable to SMALLVILLE only! Only thing he's ever said about a Superman FILM is that he wouldn't want to do a remake. (Humorous considering the SR requel.) Nobody here knows how Welling feels about playing Superman in a new film. NOBODY! Furthermore, you can't take statements he's made about wearing a skin-tight OW-fit on a television show and extrapolate them into an "ixnay" on a multi-billion dollar film franchise. C'mon people.



Is it Thursday yet?

Don't hold back...tell us how you really feel.

Look I know it's a tired conversation and none of us know how he feels about it. I was merely speculating regarding the comments of two of his co-stars and if that gives us any insight into his feelings.

.........and yes I wish Thursday was already here as well.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I see these same arguments everywhere I go. *sigh*

Clearly, TW does not want to wear tights... ON SMALLVILLE. He's made that clear in interviews, and people close to him (castmates, crew, etc.) would know that. Some of his friends have short memories however (I'm looking at you, Allison), because the "no tights, no flights" rule was SOLELY G&M's concept from the very beginning, LONG before they ever heard of a dude named Tom Welling. There's copious articles to back that up. Do a Google search folks, read the compendiums; the truth is out there.

The show isn't about a grown-up Superman. TW did NOT sign up for that, and he's said in interviews he'd never allow it. This is where the contract stipulation comes in. Having the no tights contract clause is reassuance that the show will always be about Clark Kent. Because once the tights appear, you can count the seconds to the ending credits; that's it, game over.

Now, this stuff ^ is applicable to SMALLVILLE only! Only thing he's ever said about a Superman FILM is that he wouldn't want to do a remake. (Humorous considering the SR requel.) Nobody here knows how Welling feels about playing Superman in a new film. NOBODY! Furthermore, you can't take statements he's made about wearing a skin-tight OW-fit on a television show and extrapolate them into an "ixnay" on a multi-billion dollar film franchise. C'mon people.



Is it Thursday yet?

Totally agree with Pat. These comments are about wearing the suit ON THE SHOW not in a new movie. But you just know that some people will desperatly try to run with this to bring down support for Tom.

 

[zerohour films]

Totally agree with Pat. These comments are about wearing the suit ON THE SHOW not in a new movie. But you just know that some people will desperatly try to run with this to bring down support for Tom.

Just for the record as I have always said I am a supporter of TW as Superman.
And as I stated earlier I know the discussion is old, but given the point we are at in the show now and the lack of knowledge first hand of TW's feelings to putting on the suit, I thought it was interesting hearing comments from his co-stars regarding that very subject. People I would think might have a pretty good idea of his feelings on the subject since he doesn't discuss it much out right himself.

I am not part of some conspiracy to bring down support for TW...sheesh.

My apologies if this wasn't directly aimed at me.