Tom Welling as Superman

[RakuMon]

The fact that you dont like him, doesnt invalidate my comment as I said "most" noit "all." So I'm not sure why you felt the need to point that out?

In my experiences talking with long time fans, and by "long time" I mean those of us who were around pre-crisis, and not kids who consider 10 years a long time, most of them have no issue with Welling. Pointing out that it's specualtive is rather pointless since it's a given I havent talked to every one in the world but rather it's coming from my point of view over the past 8 years on the web, talking to people, polls, etc.

I'll go ahead and throw my two cent in on this as well. As someone who has actually been in the industry for several years, I can tell you that there's a lot of support for Tom Welling among people who aren't rabid fanboys (but are employed to cater to them).

Even if they don't agree with the liberties the show has taken (or even watch the show) a lot of folks I've talked to agree that Welling (and Rosenbaum) have been the best cast Superman and Lex in the modern era.

Again, like Hulk, this is by no means an absolute statement. But the vitriol towards Welling you see here or at SHP or Blue Tights are really, honestly limited to those places. I think it's safe to say that Welling hate is much more of a niche market than a lot of the haterz like to admit.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

No the public knows them they just tuned out and lost interest.

At it's highest, Smallville had around 8 million viewers in the US. There are like 300+ million people in this country.

 

[heliorei]

I know some people won't agree with me but putting Smallville not the next level is still the safest bet for the WB. Smallville still is a money maker (considering it is in its eight season !) for a TV show and imagine with the right promotion, it could perform a lot in the box office.

Having a well estabilshed viewers (meaning around 5 million viewers) is like 50 million dollars guarantee. Add to that, those who lost contact, will see it again, meaning more income.

And to me, If somehow Tom Welling was chosen for the part, IMHO, it would only be fair if they brought the rest of the cast: I like very much Michael Rosenbaum as Lex, Erica Durance as Lois, Aaron Ashmore as Jimmy and Annette O'Toole as Martha Kent.

Since Smallville is a pre-Superman show, the movie would have to be necessarily different from the tv show since we would have a full Superman on the movie.The movie wouldn't feel like an extended episode of the tv series.

Continuity?

People don't have to know about happenned in the series to see the movie and they won't feel alienated (meaning the people who don't see Smallville). It won't really mattered for the movie and if people feel interested in what happen before, they can always buy the DVDs: it's a win-win situation, making money on both fronts.

But right now, everything points out for a reboot and for me that means an unknown actor for the role.

 

[LL2K2]

^That would be interesting to see, considering only one TV-show-to-film has grossed more than $200 million at the box office - Mission: Impossible 2:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=basedontv.htm

 

[Double Down]

^ Yeah, and imagine if they just cast the movie with the TV show actors instead. It would not have made $200 million.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

^That would be interesting to see, considering only one TV-show-to-film has grossed more than $200 million at the box office - Mission: Impossible 2:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=basedontv.htm

OK genius now go back and adjust those films for inflation. Tell me what The Fugitive or the Star Trek films (most of which came out in 80's and made above or around $100 million at the time) would be now? (click the "adjust for inflation" link in the upper right)

Adjusted for 2008 inflation:

1. Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Domestic: $235.9 mil + Foreign: $162.5 mil = Worldwide: $398.4 mil
2. Star Trek: The Voyage Home: Domestic: $209.3 mil + Foreign: $44.5 mil = Worldwide: $253.8 mil
3. The Fugitive: $250.7 mil
4. Star Trek: First Contact: Domestic: $147.4 mil + Foreign: $86.5 mil = Worldwide: $233.9 mil
5. Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan: Domestic: $190. 0 mil + Foreign: $43. 6 mil = Worldwide: $233.6 mil
6. Star Trek: Generations: Domestic: $131.4 mil + Foreign: $73.6 mil = Worldwide: 205.0 mil
7. Star Trek: The Search for Spock: Domestic: $161. 2 mil + Foreign: $22.1 mil = Worldwide: $183.3 mil
8. Star Trek: Insurrection: Domestic: $106.0 mil + Foreign: $64.0 mil = Worldwide: $170.0 mil
9. Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country: Domestic: $126.0 mil + Foreign: $32.1 mil = Worldwide: $158.1 mil
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: Domestic: $92.6 mil + Foreign: $31.9 mil = Worldwide: $124.5 mil
11. Star Trek: Nemesis: Domestic: $52.9 mil + Foreign: $29.3 mil = Worldwide: $82.2 mil

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/tickermaster/listing.cfm?tmID=2812

^ Yeah, and imagine if they just cast the movie with the TV show actors instead. It would not have made $200 million.

umm the original Mission Impossible TV show was on air from the late 1960's to the early 1970's. Peter Graves was 70 years old by the time they started making the MI movies, and Peter Lupus and Greg Morris were pushing 70. No crap, it wouldnt have made $200 million Maybe when they're making a Superman movie in 2033 you'll have a point.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The fact that you dont like him, doesnt invalidate my comment as I said "most" noit "all." So I'm not sure why you felt the need to point that out?

In my experiences talking with long time fans, and by "long time" I mean those of us who were around pre-crisis, and not kids who consider 10 years a long time, most of them have no issue with Welling. Pointing out that it's specualtive is rather pointless since it's a given I havent talked to every one in the world but rather it's coming from my point of view over the past 8 years on the web, talking to people, polls, etc.

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.

Most people would have an issue with Welling as Superman for a) He brings Smallville's baggage with him, b) He's a bad actor, c) both. And this is from the web, talking to people, polls, etc. Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling. The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.

 

[hippie_hunter]

OK genius now go back and adjust those films for inflation. Tell me what The Fugitive or the Star Trek films (most of which came out in 80's and made above or around $100 million at the time) would be now? (click the "adjust for inflation" link in the upper right)

Adjusted for 2008 inflation:

1. Star Trek: The Motion Picture: Domestic: $235.9 mil + Foreign: $162.5 mil = Worldwide: $398.4 mil
2. Star Trek: The Voyage Home: Domestic: $209.3 mil + Foreign: $44.5 mil = Worldwide: $253.8 mil
3. The Fugitive: $250.7 mil
4. Star Trek: First Contact: Domestic: $147.4 mil + Foreign: $86.5 mil = Worldwide: $233.9 mil
5. Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan: Domestic: $190. 0 mil + Foreign: $43. 6 mil = Worldwide: $233.6 mil
6. Star Trek: Generations: Domestic: $131.4 mil + Foreign: $73.6 mil = Worldwide: 205.0 mil
7. Star Trek: The Search for Spock: Domestic: $161. 2 mil + Foreign: $22.1 mil = Worldwide: $183.3 mil
8. Star Trek: Insurrection: Domestic: $106.0 mil + Foreign: $64.0 mil = Worldwide: $170.0 mil
9. Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country: Domestic: $126.0 mil + Foreign: $32.1 mil = Worldwide: $158.1 mil
10. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: Domestic: $92.6 mil + Foreign: $31.9 mil = Worldwide: $124.5 mil
11. Star Trek: Nemesis: Domestic: $52.9 mil + Foreign: $29.3 mil = Worldwide: $82.2 mil

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/tickermaster/listing.cfm?tmID=2812

You got a good point there, overall movies that are a continuation of a TV show are mixed successes.

Star Trek has lost a lot of steam. Maybe J.J Abrams will revitalize it or it could be a huge bomb.

And for every success you have: The Naked Gun movies, South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut, Sex in the City, the Simpsons Movie, the Rugrats Movie, etc. you have The Nude Bomb, Reno 911!: Miami, Brain Candy, the X-Files movies, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm which were complete failures

umm the original Mission Impossible TV show was on air from the late 1960's to the early 1970's. Peter Graves was 70 years old by the time they started making the MI movies, and Peter Lupus and Greg Morris were pushing 70. No crap, it wouldnt have made $200 million Maybe when they're making a Superman movie in 2033 you'll have a point.

Movies like Mission Impossible, Starsky and Hutch, Charlie's Angels, Get Smart, etc. don't count because they're not continuations of the TV shows they're based on.

And those too are mixed successes for all those movies, you have complete failures like Bewitched, the Honeymooners, the Brady Bunch, and Leave it to Beaver.

In the end TV movies whether they're reinterpretations of direct continuations have a 50/50 track record.

I'd also like to add that adding for inflation is downright stupid. It's nothing but a hypothetical and not a true account of how much money the movie actually made and that hypothetical money never went into studio pockets.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.

proof please, and unless your sister is a professional movie critic, then no she doesn't really count.

Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling. The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.

really? because going by the "web"

835 people disagree with you http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

and for justice league 1,849 http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

and the br lovers? 437 http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/REBOOTNOWAY

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm referring to professional critics, they criticized Welling's acting in movies such as the Fog and Cheaper by the Dozen. My sister is just someone who was walking by and saw such bad acting.

And Petitions Online is not a true gauge on how to determine on what people want. It's a site that no one pays attention to. Put together, most people don't want Tom Welling. They'd either want someone who doesn't bring the baggage of Smallville or Superman Returns (this part is the majority of the people who don't want Welling) or people who want Routh back (who received far better critical acclaim than Welling).

 

[Double Down]

proof please, and unless your sister is a professional movie critic, then no she doesn't really count.


really? because going by the "web"

835 people disagree with you http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/tomwelling4supes

and for justice league 1,849 http://www.petitiononline.com/TW4SinJL/petition.html

and the br lovers? 437 http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/REBOOTNOWAY

Those petitions are meaningless. All three of them have plenty of fake signatures: initials only, people signing for their family members, fictional characters, etc. And even then, those numbers are so small as to not matter to anyone.
I mean, I have a feeling this poll - http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html - has more votes than the three you listed combined. And what stock would you put in that?

 

[AgentPat]

...Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor...

You know, making statements like this in this thread is just going to piss people off. It's an opinion that can't be proven unless you want to start posting every review Welling has ever had and tally up the pros and cons. Good luck with that.

I neither have the time or the energy to pull a "Most Powerful" but the consensus I have seen in publications such as Variety, Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times and USA Today is that Welling is a competent actor, credited as one of the reasons for Smallville's success - a show that "helped jumpstart an entire franchise." (link). Midway through SV's run, the trend seemed to be one in which both fans and critics noted a marked improvement in Welling's performances from earlier seasons. Within the last two years, Welling has been referred to as the "go-to" guy on set since he often advises fellow castmates as well as crew - high praise for an allegedly "horrible" actor.

As to Welling's film roles, few critics had anything specific to say about his supporting performances in CBtD as both pics were ensemble comedies headed by Steve Martin. Welling was hardly in the sequel, which is fortunate since he only had 10 days to shoot his scenes in between SV's schedule. And The Fog was panned as a film that never should have been made. Even Welling said, "I did 'The Fog' in a fog. ...They shot for a month before I got there and it was shot at night and really fast." (link) Compare that to the time and money spent on a summer tenpole, where the lead(s) have literally months to prepare for their roles before principal begins and plenty of time during the shoot to concentrate on getting each scene (hopefully) perfect.

Yeah. Apples and oranges.

This is by no means an argument for a Welling-headed Superman feature film. I think that time - if there ever was one - has passed. But it's very irritating to me to see these extrapolations being made based merely on someone's own tastes and preferences. Just because you don't like Smallville or think Welling is "a horrible actor" doesn't mean your opinion is held by "most critics." Generalize much?

Anyway, the best pipe dream I think fans can hope for at this point is that Warner Bros. will loosen up their vice-like grip on SV and let the producers end the show the way it SHOULD end based on eight years of tease. After that, the sky's the limit. Err... with other roles, I mean.

 

[Mikelus]

I'm referring to professional critics, they criticized Welling's acting in movies such as the Fog and Cheaper by the Dozen. My sister is just someone who was walking by and saw such bad acting.

And Petitions Online is not a true gauge on how to determine on what people want. It's a site that no one pays attention to. Put together, most people don't want Tom Welling. They'd either want someone who doesn't bring the baggage of Smallville or Superman Returns (this part is the majority of the people who don't want Welling) or people who want Routh back (who received far better critical acclaim than Welling).

Majority according to who? You?
Please, is a matter of opinion, and opinions are subjective.

Routh failed the casting for the role of CK on Smallville and Jensen Ackles was the runner-up to Welling. Jensen is a better actor than BR too IMO. Casting is one of SV's strongest points, a lot of people agree with this, even haters.

Q: Before that didn't anyone tell you that you looked like Christopher Reeve?

Routh: No. No one mentioned it until him. So, it's been in the books for a long time because of that. And then when "Smallville" was auditioning I auditioned for that. I got a call back. Was really excited about that. And it didn't happen and I was kind of like, "Well there goes that! There's no way they're gonna do Superman again!" But of course it's been in the works before I even went out there, with [Nic] Cage and all that in the beginning. And I moved to New York right when "Smallville" was happening, that's when I booked "One Life to Live". So I was in New York at the height of promotions for "Smallville", and Tom [Welling] was everywhere. [Laughs] And at that time I was like [pulls a face] [Laughter], but now it's great and I've since, even after that, started watching the show.

Many believe BR is a bad actor (too wooden, not charismatic enough, bland face), others think Welling looks more like Superman and is a better actor (more expressive), to each its own, again, is a matter of opinion.

If you compare the best episodes of Smallville with SR, is easy to see more potential on TW, plus Tom having a closer resemblance to Superman (face and stronger body), is better for the role IMO. Tom has a good range acting wise, when he plays Bizarro or red K Clark you can appreciate the subtleties of his portrayal, not over the top "evil", just the right dose, a really bad actor can't do that well.

And the best for last...

Roger Ebert:
'Routh lacks charisma as Superman, and I suppose as Clark Kent, he isn't supposed to have any'.

When comparing Smallville's Clark Kent to Bryan Singer's Superman (Brandon Routh), in Superman Returns, Seattle Times' Julia Waterhous finds Smallville's Clark Kent to be the more intriguing character. Waterhous explains that it is the inner turmoil of the Clark—not being able to tell the people he loves his secret—and the fact that no matter what his faults are he continues to put others before himself, remains "pure and good", and allows the audience to become intimate with the character - something lacking in the film version. According to the Associated Press, Welling's popularity as Clark Kent on Smallville even had fans of the show wishing that he would take the role Routh received in Superman Returns.

Christopher Reeve:

"Smallville's Tom Welling would be an ideal candidate".

I think actors know much more about acting than fanboys. Reeve knew what it takes to be Superman on the big screen.

 

[Serene]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.
Most people would have an issue with Welling as Superman for a) He brings Smallville's baggage with him, b) He's a bad actor, c) both. And this is from the web, talking to people, polls, etc. Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling. The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.

Oh good grief.
If we are going to quote anecdotal "proofs" here, I can add that, every one of my friends who saw SR (non-SV fans, btw) wanted to know why Welling wasn't cast in it. Beyond bland was their general opinion of the guy who was. They don't know SV, but they know Welling is anything but bland. And yes, that's about as valid an observation as yours - which means, not at all, in the big picture.

As to Welling's film roles, few critics had anything specific to say about his supporting performances in CBtD as both pics were ensemble comedies headed by Steve Martin. Welling was hardly in the sequel, which is fortunate since he only had 10 days to shoot his scenes in between SV's schedule. And The Fog was panned as a film that never should have been made. Even Welling said, "I did 'The Fog' in a fog. ...They shot for a month before I got there and it was shot at night and really fast." (link) Compare that to the time and money spent on a summer tenpole, where the lead(s) have literally months to prepare for their roles before principal begins and plenty of time during the shoot to concentrate on getting each scene (hopefully) perfect.

Yeah. Apples and oranges.

Amen, sister. It's so easy and ridiculous for people to try and compare The Fog and Superman Returns.

Anyway, the best pipe dream I think fans can hope for at this point is that Warner Bros. will loosen up their vice-like grip on SV and let the producers end the show the way it SHOULD end based on eight years of tease. After that, the sky's the limit. Err... with other roles, I mean.

And I'll give that a second (and louder) Amen.

Good to see you, Pat. I've missed seeing you around here, lady.

Many believe BR is a bad actor (too wooden, not charismatic enough, bland face),

I actually saw him in a few comedic short films and I thought he did a really entertaining job. I can't buy him at all dramatically (based on the two dramatic roles I've see him in), but I liked the guy a lot in a comedic setting.
*shrug* Maybe it's just a case of finding his niche.

 

[Prison Mike]

I think Brandon is a good actor, he was just given a bad script. If he is chosen for the next Superman film and it's a great story, I think he could impress a lot of people. But again, I prefer someone totally new to take on the reboot.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome).

oh well hell if you're sister doesnt like him then by all means, he should stop acting on the spot.

Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.

[/quote]

Being a mod, I'd hope you'd be above making horrible arguments by trying to quantify things with which you have no basis to back up. But I see that's not the case.

Most people would have an issue with Welling as Superman for a) He brings Smallville's baggage with him, b) He's a bad actor, c) both. And this is from the web, talking to people, polls, etc. Most people would rather see Routh or a new person over Welling.

but yet in any poll the two were ever in together on a mainstream website, Welling kicks the crap out of him.

The people who want him are the Smallville fanatics.

You're wrong yet again. I for one am not a "fanatic", I've been a Superman fan for 35 years. I enjoy Smallville for what it is, but dont think it's some kind of beacon TV production. Many of us here are the same way. Notice how these things always start up when people come into these forums. It's not us going out into the Superman forums and starting this crap. I Also, nice job on stirring up a bee's nest here.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'd also like to add that adding for inflation is downright stupid. It's nothing but a hypothetical and not a true account of how much money the movie actually made and that hypothetical money never went into studio pockets.

You obviously have no concept of simple economics, if you're going to say "adding for inflation in downright stupid." There's nothing hypothetical about it. It's basic economics. Given the value of money changes over time, its the only way to compare economic factors from different time periods.

No one is saying the "hypothetical money" went into anyone's pockets. Because it didnt. Inflation is used to give you an idea of what a movie that was released 20 years ago would've made today given the number of tickets it sold at the time.

Saying "movie x" wasnt a success because it didnt make over $200 million when it was released 20 years ago therefor it's failure is what's a stupid statement. Movie tickets were about 1/3 of what you'd pay for them now in 1986. (and that doesnt even get into what the movie's budget since the profit ius truly how you measure a film's success not it's revenue)

Why do you think Gone with the Wind is still considered the most successful film of all time even though it only grossed $198.6 million in 1939? Because if you take the tickets it sold and used today's prices it would've made $1.4 billion. No one's saying MGM got that money, but it does show just how many people went to see it and just how successful it was by today's standards.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i dont really want to get in this debate who is a better actor with welling/routh.

 

[stargazer]

You know, making statements like this in this thread is just going to piss people off. It's an opinion that can't be proven unless you want to start posting every review Welling has ever had and tally up the pros and cons. Good luck with that.

I neither have the time or the energy to pull a "Most Powerful" but the consensus I have seen in publications such as Variety, Hollywood Reporter, The New York Times and USA Today is that Welling is a competent actor, credited as one of the reasons for Smallville's success - a show that "helped jumpstart an entire franchise." (link). Midway through SV's run, the trend seemed to be one in which both fans and critics noted a marked improvement in Welling's performances from earlier seasons. Within the last two years, Welling has been referred to as the "go-to" guy on set since he often advises fellow castmates as well as crew - high praise for an allegedly "horrible" actor.

As to Welling's film roles, few critics had anything specific to say about his supporting performances in CBtD as both pics were ensemble comedies headed by Steve Martin. Welling was hardly in the sequel, which is fortunate since he only had 10 days to shoot his scenes in between SV's schedule. And The Fog was panned as a film that never should have been made. Even Welling said, "I did 'The Fog' in a fog. ...They shot for a month before I got there and it was shot at night and really fast." (link) Compare that to the time and money spent on a summer tenpole, where the lead(s) have literally months to prepare for their roles before principal begins and plenty of time during the shoot to concentrate on getting each scene (hopefully) perfect.

Yeah. Apples and oranges.

This is by no means an argument for a Welling-headed Superman feature film. I think that time - if there ever was one - has passed. But it's very irritating to me to see these extrapolations being made based merely on someone's own tastes and preferences. Just because you don't like Smallville or think Welling is "a horrible actor" doesn't mean your opinion is held by "most critics." Generalize much?

Anyway, the best pipe dream I think fans can hope for at this point is that Warner Bros. will loosen up their vice-like grip on SV and let the producers end the show the way it SHOULD end based on eight years of tease. After that, the sky's the limit. Err... with other roles, I mean.

NO, you pulled an "Agent Pat", it seems..







t:

 

[Gmanofsteel]

An "Agent Pat" has a lot more credibility

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

And so the debate continues... its 2006 all over again... *sigh*

 

[LL2K2]

if i m not wrong late chritopher reeve also acknowleged that TW will do good as a next superman

Chew on this tidbit from 2003...

http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/n-2003.html

January 17, 2003: At a New York press conference in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, Christopher Reeve and Tom Welling talked to reporters to publicize the episode Rosetta before its filming. Heidi MacDonald attended the press conference for Mile High Comics presents... Comicon.com Pulse to write her cover story A Tale of Two Supermen. In MacDonald's article she wrote: "When asked to compare the two Supermen, Reeve scolded, "Shhhh, he doesn't know he's Superman yet!"...The door may even be open for Swann to be a recurring role, although, Reeve joked, "Let's how see this goes!" Reeve mentioned how refreshing it was to get a chance to play this role. "It's a great break from lobbying and politics,"...Asked about the upcoming Superman movie, Reeve said that producer Jon Peters had called him up a few months before. "He told me that his original idea was to do a film of Superman Vs Batman, to be directed by Wolfgang Petersen. They were pretty far into it, and then Jon saw the documentary that my son made about me and how five years after the injury I started to move." Peters was so moved that he began to rethink the idea. "Why should [they] have two superheroes fighting? The movie that Warner Brothers is making now will be a much more uplifting and spiritual story. " He declined to name anyone he thought would be suitable for the title role, but added "The character is more important than the actor who plays him because of the mythology. I'm sure that they'll take their time and find the right man. But it should be an unknown." He then looked at Welling and said "Tom, you're probably not an unknown any more."" TV Guide Online also covered the press conference for their article Superman's Reeve Flies to Smallville where Reeve is quoted talking about the character he plays: "I play a scientist who has given most of his life to advanced astronomy and looking out into the solar system," Reeve previews. "I discover some information that is very relevant to Clark, and I bombard him with e-mail and phone calls to get him to come to New York. Finally, he does, so he's going to learn some things about his character."

 

[Prison Mike]

this discussion has made me want to see Rosetta again...

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Chew on this tidbit from 2003...

http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/n-2003.html

You're right the character is more important than the actor playing him. But this is quite amusing, especially coming from the crowd that "wont see the new film unless "holdover actor X" is in it."

 

[blksuperman2]

Dude, my sister who has no interest at all in Superman and whatnot saw an episode of Smallville and mentioned that Welling and Kruek are horrible actors (though Rosenbaum is freaking awesome). Most critics see Welling as a horrible actor.

LMAO. Wow that's definitive proof right there. I guess I should stop watching SV now.