Torchwood

[chamber-music]

RTD wants to do more Torchwood and the BBC have said if the ratings for Children of Earth where good and pbvioulsy the demand was there the show would be back.

Seeming as it got amazing reviews and extremely high ratings as long as auntie beeb (BBC nickname in UK) hasn't blown all their cash on period dramas i'm sure its coming back.

Its gonna be a hard act to follow after the events of Children of Earth.

 

[IronLion]

the scene where gwen is running away with the kids, from the army, and when they were hiding.......made me emotional, even now thinking about it. when your a parent, and you realise, there are some bastard's in whitehall who would sacrafice your kids to save themselves, you feel like punching the tv. i know i did, and thats what made me enjoy this series. also, thwe sacrafice jack had to make, and the way his daughter reacted, i can understand. makes you think, if u were in a situation and had to make a choice like that, what would you do. the old scientist guy that saved himself by putting on the suit (forgot his name), the one that makes the suggestion to jack, seemed like a smarmy b@$***d. but all the characters made you either like or hate them. great writing.

 

[BlackLantern]

You ain't lying.

And I'm straight!

as am I....its a bit worrisome

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd say the hardest hitting part of the ending came from what happened to a character we were only introduced to in Children of Earth.

[blackout]Jack's daughter?[/blackout]

 

[Manic]

Children of Earth really was RTD at his best. Typically, RTD's finales fall flat. He usually tries to create the biggest finale possible, but ends up writing himself into a corner. His constant need to write a happy ending necessitates some ridiculous bull to happen toward the end of the episodes. You get void vacuums that suck Cybermen in from India but can't get the Doctor and Rose standing right next to it because they're holding on to something, everyone on Earth chanting the Doctor's name until it gives him ridiculous superpowers, the Earth being dragged across the universe (yes, it was nice seeing everyone in the TARDIS like that, but the sequence was kinda stupid), or Jack feeding a giant demon his life energy until it gets too full and dies.

Children of Earth's ending worked so well because it didn't give us a happy ending that necessitated an insane deus ex machina. It stayed consistent throughout. It had me on the edge of my seat with my soul beaten and battered across the floor til the last second.

[blackout]Jack's daughter?[/blackout]

Yep.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It still sort of fell flat to me because I have almost no emotional investment in any of the characters thanks to the atrocious first season. Jack'll get better, I actually want Gwen to die, and Ianto's sort of a cypher since they pulled his character in so many directions that he lost his identity to me. Toshi was the only character I genuinely liked on Torchwood, and Martha brightened up the second season considerably. I was watching Children of Earth and as things got worse and worse, I was like, "Figures, what with this band of losers they got."

But it was still a better story than anything else Torchwood's got, so it had that going for it.

 

[Manic]

Alice & Steven's ending and John Frobisher's fate are what got me. Especially Frobisher. I honestly can't say I blame him for what he did in the end.

 

[Gilpesh]

I just heard that they have one of those Jericho like send-ins to save a certain character. And RTD said in an interview... they only got nine.

 

[Manic]

You're going to have to explain that whole thing to me, because I don't know what a "Jericho-like send-in" is.

 

[Gilpesh]

Oh. The reason that Jericho got that little second season at all, was that people sent in a ton of peanuts to ABC to show that people watch it and want it back.

Well, apparently fans tried that with coffee because of Children of Earth... and RTD only got nine bags of coffee.

 

[BlackLantern]

its when fans throw a **** fit about some show that gets cancelled so they send a bunch of a specific item to the network in an attempt to show support and save the show...it has worked EXACTLY one time, with Jericho...and CBS just gave them 7 episodes to shut them up....7 episodes, what an insult, and they didnt even promote them when they aired

little do these *******s understand that its the interns and the PAs that have to deal with all that mess

 

[chamber-music]

All the hate RTD is getting because what happened to Ianto makes me laugh

 

[Manic]

Really? I got it all out of my system when the bastard killed off Tosh. Ianto was... well, he was no Tosh.

 

[chamber-music]

I agree Ianto was all right but seriously I don't really care what happened to him. Some folks where acting like his the star of the show or something.

 

[The Englishman]

I agree Ianto was all right but seriously I don't really care what happened to him. Some folks where acting like his the star of the show or something.

Whos acting like that??

 

[chamber-music]

Whos acting like that??

Fans on messageboards and the internet in general. RTD talked about it in an a few interviews he did during after Children Of Earth aired around the world.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ianto was irrelevant. He went through 3 seasons and, by the time he died, I still didn't feel like I really knew anything about the character.

its when fans throw a **** fit about some show that gets cancelled so they send a bunch of a specific item to the network in an attempt to show support and save the show...it has worked EXACTLY one time, with Jericho...and CBS just gave them 7 episodes to shut them up....7 episodes, what an insult, and they didnt even promote them when they aired

little do these *******s understand that its the interns and the PAs that have to deal with all that mess

It worked with Roswell a few years back, as well.

 

[BlackLantern]

ah yes, the halcyon days of The WB

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm done with this series. If there's anymore I don't watch it. I just don't like any body except Reese, but I sort of don't like Rhys either because he's devoted to such a ****ing whining ****e ***** named Gwen.

The Frobisher stuff was ****. He wasn't even a real man. If he was a TRUE man he would've pointed the gun where it belongs. Such a piece of ****. I'm sick of Torchwood and its ****ing dark nihlism. And I'm sick of Davies and his liberal sanctimony. God I get it already. Government sucks. Humans, Americans, Military, and adults are all evil power war-mongering bastards and you'd just like to escape to the stars where you are free to be omni-sexual or whatever.

I kind of liked Torchwood. It was dark and a lot of heavy **** happened but it still sort of worked. Tough choices had to be made. This last season was off the rails like Bayformers 2 and I don't want anything to do with it anymore. I hope this is it for Torchwood. What else can they do? THEY KILLED OFF EVERYBODY! EVERYONE IS DEAD! We already know what happens to Jack. If they bring Torchwood back, not looking at it at all.

 

[Manic]

I'll admit that Davies' anti-authority and anti-American soapboxes are getting annoying. He changed UNIT (who were the 3rd Doctor's freaking allies) into an ineffective bunch of idiots who stumble into every mistake they make guns-a-blazin', with the Doctor curiously acting like he never liked working with them at all. Whenever an American pops up in Doctor Who/Torchwood, it's always going to be a Dastardly American who always takes control of the UK away from the Prime Minister and endangers the whole world (with UNIT at his back, of course. Wouldn't be an ineffective leader if he wasn't using UNIT).

His name is spelled Rhys, by the way. They's Welsh, mate.

 

[BlackLantern]

I don't mind all the random death because that's how Torchwood has been put across, your chances of dying old are pretty slim....look at how Jack came to be the leader, the previous team leader killed everyone else and then himself....and as for Frobisher and "turning the gun where it belonged", its not like its one guy he could have shot to make everything better, because when it comes to scum, there is always someone to take someones place

 

[Manic]

Re: Frobisher

BlackLantern is right. Who was he going to turn the gun on? The Prime Minister? Someone else would've stepped up and continued to send the children to the 4-5-6. It might've gotten his own children spared again, but I think he was way beyond thinking just about his own family at that point. You could see the very deal with the 4-5-6 tearing him apart bit by bit. If he had lived to see a world where 10% of the world's children were sold out to some drugged out alien in a gas cloud, he would've eventually turned that gun on himself anyway.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Frobisher stuff was pretty good, in retrospect. I've been liking Children of Earth more and more as time passes. I think I went into it too disgusted with Torchwood as a whole from series past to really get into it, but it was a solid story with real stakes and some hard choices that pushed characters to interesting places.

 

[BlackLantern]

I liked it...just when that lady starts the conversation about the children (and I credit all the actors in that scene) they are all relieved that someone said it out loud and thus making it easier for all of them to go down that road

 

[The Englishman]

I'll admit that Davies' anti-authority and anti-American soapboxes are getting annoying. He changed UNIT (who were the 3rd Doctor's freaking allies) into an ineffective bunch of idiots who stumble into every mistake they make guns-a-blazin', with the Doctor curiously acting like he never liked working with them at all. Whenever an American pops up in Doctor Who/Torchwood, it's always going to be a Dastardly American who always takes control of the UK away from the Prime Minister and endangers the whole world (with UNIT at his back, of course. Wouldn't be an ineffective leader if he wasn't using UNIT).

His name is spelled Rhys, by the way. They's Welsh, mate.

But thats what happens in real life is'nt it.....t: