Torchwood

[conjob_89]

What to expect: More guns and less sex. As is always the case with American television over British.

Though, one good thing is that it makes the return of John Hart more likely.

Or Capt. John Hart running Torchwood US.

 

[Manic]

What to expect: More guns and less sex. As is always the case with American television over British.

Though, one good thing is that it makes the return of John Hart more likely.

The United States: A country with a history of public executions and zero tolerance for sexual misconduct-- trickled down over the years to create a television industry that thinks it's A-okay to show Jack Bauer torturing people, but draws the line at Janet Jackson's nipple.

Yay, Puritanism!

 

[BlackLantern]

1. Jack Bauer does that to protect YOU....you're welcome

2. Janet pulled that stunt about 10 years too late

 

[Dope Nose]

The United States: A country with a history of public executions and zero tolerance for sexual misconduct-- trickled down over the years to create a television industry that thinks it's A-okay to show Jack Bauer torturing people, but draws the line at Janet Jackson's nipple.

Yay, Puritanism!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hahahaha, it's so true.

 

[The Englishman]

Thats all that needs to be said....

 

[Specter313]

Scoop: 'Desperate Housewives' snags John Barrowman
by Michael Ausiello
Categories: Desperate Housewives, News

Desperate Housewives boss Marc Cherry has accomplished his mission to bring Captain Jack to Wisteria Lane!

A Housewives insider confirms that Torchwood’s John Barrowman is joining the ABC soap later this season for a minimum of five episodes. The actor will play the Big Bad at the center of the Angie (Drea de Matteo) mystery.

Last summer, Cherry — a big Torchwood fan — met with Barrowman to discuss the possibility of him visiting Wisteria Lane at some point. It was just a matter of finding the right role.

Barrowman’s arc will kick off in early April and span the final five episodes of the season.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/29/desperate-housewives-snags-john-barrowman/

 

[Specter313]

Scoop: 'Desperate Housewives' snags John Barrowman
by Michael Ausiello
Categories: Desperate Housewives, News

Desperate Housewives boss Marc Cherry has accomplished his mission to bring Captain Jack to Wisteria Lane!

A Housewives insider confirms that Torchwood’s John Barrowman is joining the ABC soap later this season for a minimum of five episodes. The actor will play the Big Bad at the center of the Angie (Drea de Matteo) mystery.

Last summer, Cherry — a big Torchwood fan — met with Barrowman to discuss the possibility of him visiting Wisteria Lane at some point. It was just a matter of finding the right role.

Barrowman’s arc will kick off in early April and span the final five episodes of the season.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/29/desperate-housewives-snags-john-barrowman/

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Nice, hopefully this means he'll be in the US and the American Torchwood will just be a continuation of brit Torchwood.

 

[wiegeabo]

Not even his awesomeness can make me watch that show.

 

[Manic]

Desperate Housewives is still on?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, people love it. I don't know why.

 

[Manic]

It's basically a soap opera that comes on during prime time, right? If Guiding Light could make the transition from radio to TV and stay on the air until 2009, then I can't be too surprised when a prime time soap does well. I just don't hear a bunch of hype about it, anymore.

 

[BlackLantern]

DH has a nice steady following. As much as we'd all like to think, the Hype is not a representative cross section of tv viewership

 

[TheCorpulent1]

We probably haven't been hearing as much about Desperate Housewives lately because it's a well established show that pulls in huge ratings consistently. ABC's probably quite happy with its viewership and doesn't feel the need to ad-blitz for more viewers.

 

[BlackLantern]

that too

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm currently watching Torchwood Season 1, and I'm liking it so far. Gotta just gush over what I've seen so far.Captain Jack Harkness is an awesome character, and John Barrowman is great. I like the things they've done with him now, having made him a bit more ruthless since his Who-days.

Gotta say, since I knew it was a Doctor Who spin-off...the hard edge to it caught me off guard. The first time they dropped the F-bomb, I had to rewind it and watch it twice to make sure it wasn't my American ears mishearing the accents. Watching countrycide, and how Owen wooed Gwen was something that I liked. They're not shy with the sexuality, and I think it's to be commended.

It's pretty interesting to see how the character's sexual lifestyles are shown too, and not locked away in some box to never be seen. Probably the most number of characters that are bisexual in a show I've watched. By my count so far, pretty much each character has had/have sexual encounters with men and women. Again, it's just so different from much of what I'm used to seeing that it's a standout for me

And, I don't know if they expand on Torchwood and how it's connected to the government in later episodes, everything I know about Torchwood as a group is from Who. I just watched 'They Keep Killing Suzie', and I guess the Cybermen pretty much killed the main wing of Torchwood. Like, everyone. Dead. Leaving the B...or C-Team to pick up the pieces.

I'm certain it's on purpose, I think the writers are too smart not to do so. But, they're a nice band of misfits. There's no real order to them. Harkness is basically the badass loner who's really having a hard time leading these people. Kinda the openess of how the group is run, with no oversight or any real chain of command is something I hope they look at in the next few episodes.

Or maybe it's just me. I'm sure my American point-of-view of how government black ops are supposed to work might be part of it.

 

[GhostPoet]

The United States: A country with a history of public executions and zero tolerance for sexual misconduct-- trickled down over the years to create a television industry that thinks it's A-okay to show Jack Bauer torturing people, but draws the line at Janet Jackson's nipple.

Yay, Puritanism!

To be fair. It does sort of make sense in a way. Violence on tv is fake. But nudity can't be faked. You're either nude or your not. :P

 

[Manic]

And, I don't know if they expand on Torchwood and how it's connected to the government in later episodes, everything I know about Torchwood as a group is from Who. I just watched 'They Keep Killing Suzie', and I guess the Cybermen pretty much killed the main wing of Torchwood. Like, everyone. Dead. Leaving the B...or C-Team to pick up the pieces.

I'm certain it's on purpose, I think the writers are too smart not to do so. But, they're a nice band of misfits. There's no real order to them. Harkness is basically the badass loner who's really having a hard time leading these people. Kinda the openess of how the group is run, with no oversight or any real chain of command is something I hope they look at in the next few episodes.

Or maybe it's just me. I'm sure my American point-of-view of how government black ops are supposed to work might be part of it.

It's been subtle, but there were more hints at Torchwood's connection to the UK's government in Doctor Who than on the actual Torchwood show. Harriet Jones said she wasn't supposed to know they exist, meaning it's an organization so secret that the Prime Minister can't know about it. So it's not your typical intelligence/black ops group.

I had the impression that Torchwood was controlled by the royal family moreso than the British government. Queen Victoria founded the organization during a time where the queen was, not unlike today, just a figurehead whose power was surrendered to the PM and Parliament. The queen controlled Torchwood, but the PM and Parliament didn't.

Not to mention Yvonne (the head of Torchwood from Doctor Who's series 2 finale) said Torchwood's duty was to the British Empire, which no longer exists as far as anyone knows. That sorta implies that Torchwood was operating out of some secret agenda to restore imperial power the the UK, likely to the royal family again.

But that's just me speculating. In the end, with the Cardiff branch apparently being the only one still standing, Jack has completely reorganized them for a new, more altruistic purpose.

To be fair. It does sort of make sense in a way. Violence on tv is fake. But nudity can't be faked. You're either nude or your not. :P

But there's nothing inherently wrong with nudity. Arguably there's nothing wrong with sex, but a sex scene (or even just brief nudity) in a movie could bump a rating up to an R or NC-17 rating a hell of a lot faster than a sequence of fight scenes can.

 

[TheVileOne]

And most sex scenes are also fake . . . as far as actual SEX goes .

 

[mr. peasant]

It's been subtle, but there were more hints at Torchwood's connection to the UK's government in Doctor Who than on the actual Torchwood show. Harriet Jones said she wasn't supposed to know they exist, meaning it's an organization so secret that the Prime Minister can't know about it. So it's not your typical intelligence/black ops group.

I had the impression that Torchwood was controlled by the royal family moreso than the British government. Queen Victoria founded the organization during a time where the queen was, not unlike today, just a figurehead whose power was surrendered to the PM and Parliament. The queen controlled Torchwood, but the PM and Parliament didn't.

Not to mention Yvonne (the head of Torchwood from Doctor Who's series 2 finale) said Torchwood's duty was to the British Empire, which no longer exists as far as anyone knows. That sorta implies that Torchwood was operating out of some secret agenda to restore imperial power the the UK, likely to the royal family again.

Or, it could just mean their job was to protect the British Commonwealth which is comprised of the countries that used to form the British Empire.

But that's just me speculating. In the end, with the Cardiff branch apparently being the only one still standing, Jack has completely reorganized them for a new, more altruistic purpose.

Actually, with regards to that, does anyone know if Jack's crew really was truly affiliated with the previous Torchwood branches? Or, did Jack just take over the name? I mean, it's as if they're operating without any oversight from a superior.

 

[Manic]

Or, it could just mean their job was to protect the British Commonwealth which is comprised of the countries that used to form the British Empire.

But there was a particular exchange between Yvonne and Rose's mother Jackie. Yvonne stated that Torchwood's duty is toward the good of the British Empire (she specifically said "empire"), to which Jackie responded "There is no British Empire!" Yvonne gave her a sly smile instead of saying her duty extends to the Commonwealth. I doubt Torchwood was out to protect other countries like Canada or India.

Actually, with regards to that, does anyone know if Jack's crew really was truly affiliated with the previous Torchwood branches? Or, did Jack just take over the name? I mean, it's as if they're operating without any oversight from a superior.

It gets revealed during series 2 of Torchwood. [blackout]After Torchwood fell in the battle at Canary Wharf (it didn't just wreck the London branch. All of Torchwood collapsed in the fallout), Jack (who was already working for Torchwood) rebuilt the Cardiff branch under his sole authority, with a mission separate from the original Torchwood. Obviously, Gwen was a recent recruit. Before Gwen, Jack personally recruited each member of his team after the battle at Canary Wharf. He didn't want anyone from the original Torchwood on his team, and Ianto (who worked at Canary Wharf but survived the battle) had to beg to be let on Jack's team.[/blackout]

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's been subtle, but there were more hints at Torchwood's connection to the UK's government in Doctor Who than on the actual Torchwood show. Harriet Jones said she wasn't supposed to know they exist, meaning it's an organization so secret that the Prime Minister can't know about it. So it's not your typical intelligence/black ops group.

I had the impression that Torchwood was controlled by the royal family moreso than the British government. Queen Victoria founded the organization during a time where the queen was, not unlike today, just a figurehead whose power was surrendered to the PM and Parliament. The queen controlled Torchwood, but the PM and Parliament didn't.

Not to mention Yvonne (the head of Torchwood from Doctor Who's series 2 finale) said Torchwood's duty was to the British Empire, which no longer exists as far as anyone knows. That sorta implies that Torchwood was operating out of some secret agenda to restore imperial power the the UK, likely to the royal family again.

But that's just me speculating. In the end, with the Cardiff branch apparently being the only one still standing, Jack has completely reorganized them for a new, more altruistic purpose.

I see, that gives me alot of perspective on it now. That and watching how the Cybermen pretty much killed all of Torchwood in one fell swoop in 'Doomsday'.

Torchwood, atleast the branch we see, might have a different perspective on they're mission than they're superiors allow them to know (as any good clandestine organization should), Yvonne did mention the Empire more than once...and she was the top dog of Torchwood, so it's not far fetched to assume she was in the loop on everything.

Where Harkness and his gang, are just soldiers in a war they're not fully aware of the motives for. Ie: restoring the British Empire.

 

[wiegeabo]

Read an article last night (can't get to it now because I'm at work and they block the site) that said Borrowman was unhappy that Fox is seriously considering 'straightening' out Captain Jack. He says they hope they leave the character intact.

Sadly, I can't say I'm surprised with Fox's direction, but I'm still disappointed.

 

[Silvermoth]

It's pretty outrageous. Are the Americans still so outraged by the idea of homosexuality? Are they still not willing to admit it exists?